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Shirleypalmpaws

Thanks Tom for remembering that you did see it...makes me feel not-so-crazy... :mrlooney:

I really love this thread and soak up every post like a sponge. It's awesome. How big were your Brahea Clara "icy blue" and Sabal uresana when you planted them...did you have to protect them their first winters? I've got one of each but feel chicken to plant out because they're small...B. Clara icy blue (Tejas) and S. uresana (Yuccadoo) and think I'd breakdown and cry if they croked. I really love Blue Palms that much.

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sonoranfans

Thanks Tom for remembering that you did see it...makes me feel not-so-crazy... :mrlooney:

I really love this thread and soak up every post like a sponge. It's awesome. How big were your Brahea Clara "icy blue" and Sabal uresana when you planted them...did you have to protect them their first winters? I've got one of each but feel chicken to plant out because they're small...B. Clara icy blue (Tejas) and S. uresana (Yuccadoo) and think I'd breakdown and cry if they croked. I really love Blue Palms that much.

I waited till my clara and uresana were root bound in a 5 gallon nursery containers(deep ones) then planted them out. I bought both from tejas as small strap leaf seedlings, put them into 2 gallons at first, and then upgraded them to 5's after 6 months or so. I think its good to let the roots develop in pots if you have sandy soil so they don't dry out too much. that being said, I used palm and cactus mix plus maybe 20% perlite to make sure the potting soil drained very well. These are two species that like good drainage. they both grow fast after being planted out, not so much in a pot. It took a little over one full year, feb to may the following year for the roots to fill out the 5 gallon pot, I could see roots coming out the drainage holes.

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pfancy

the copernicia prunifera is more blue than the brahea clara right next door. both went uncovered in the big chill(worst freeze in 30 years in the PHX area) this year.

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sonoranfans

the copernicia prunifera is more blue than the brahea clara right next door. both went uncovered in the big chill(worst freeze in 30 years in the PHX area) this year.

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What was the big freeze this year in temps, duration(days)? Kind of curious as I saw 21F x 2 days in a row in Gilbert in 2007...

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pfancy

the copernicia prunifera is more blue than the brahea clara right next door. both went uncovered in the big chill(worst freeze in 30 years in the PHX area) this year.

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What was the big freeze this year in temps, duration(days)? Kind of curious as I saw 21F x 2 days in a row in Gilbert in 2007...

went 5 days in row temps here in litchfield park were 25,24,19,27, and 28. it was bad. sepparted the boys from the men?!? btw all my bizzies went uncovered w a tine bit of spear burn thats just popping out now.. i want to add a candidate L mariae. the one at rod anderson's(you posted a photo a while back) is nice and blue and all mine went uncovered and did fine.

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Shirleypalmpaws

Thank you Tom!!! I'm gonna do it just like you did. Ooh I'm so excited!

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pfancy

more stuff

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pfancy

more stuff

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sonoranfans

more stuff

Great info on the freeze Patrick, and love those blues! You can grow some great blue palms in AZ!!

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edbrown_III

Heres a few more to keep the thread going

Heres the bluest P. theophrasti I have I got the seeds from a fellow who visited a monastery in Vai

C alba --- photo was in vespers so it was sort of long shadow lighting and a few years ago when it was very dry and it blued up

Good thread

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sonoranfans

Wow Ed, those are magnificent! Ive never seen a theophrasti look so good! I remember you have a whole "blue side of the yard". How is that side doing? thanks for the pics!

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Alberto

Wow alberto lots of nice color there! Trachycarpus princeps is a pretty palm with those white undersides. I also love the bluish butia cararinesis. I also bought a butia yatay recently. Im going to grow it a little bigger before it goes into the ground.

Alberto, that t. Princeps looks amazing.

Yes Tom and Axel, the white undersides are very nice, but also visible from above because the leaflets are "folded" making very interesting green/white bluish contrasts.

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pfancy

this bad boy was in my front yard but, i got rid of it. it was a mess-suckers everywhere and dangerously sharp. tell ya the truth the dactys i have are more blue

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edbrown_III

Wow Ed, those are magnificent! Ive never seen a theophrasti look so good! I remember you have a whole "blue side of the yard". How is that side doing? thanks for the pics!

thanks for the good words the pictures look less blue here than they did on my viewer last night . Its so wet and humid here we dont get stable blues ----- seems the colors are a bit better certainly in CA and coastal south FL. I neglected to praise the T. princeps they are very stunning in the photos .

Best regards

Ed

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sergiskan

beautiful blue palms!!

...Alberto, this princeps is awesome!

...more blue palms...

little princeps

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chamy

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livi lanuginosa

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dacty

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super silver

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butias sp.(any idea about surname??)

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sergiskan

more from a local nursery...

trithrinax sp.

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mariae leaf

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yatay

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sergiskan

more...

theoplastii..., beautiful orange/yellow colour.

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sonoranfans

that's quite a collection of blue cold hardy palms sergei, gorgeous! thanks for the pics!

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Phoenikakias

Wow Sergi, which of all those beautiful palms are yours? Could you please post a pic a the whole Livistona mariae, because I think it is quite big. I have never seen in the med a big outplanted mariae except mine. I will post also a pic of mine, which has 2 meters of trunk but it is still juvenile. Which cultivar is this beautiful dacty? I have three exemplaries from a feral form probably originating from Libya (small dates and seeds), which are very silver and besides all leaflets end to a spiny yellow tip.

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sergiskan

hello Konstantinos.

only the palms at post 55 are mine, small palms!!..., the other palms are from a nursery in the island...

i don´t know my dacty cultivar, i have another one from the same seller and don´t show this silver..., i have dactys from seed, medjool, deglet noor, thoori, and now begit to turn blue.4

I´ll search pics abot this mariae..., wooow 2 meters of clear trunk... are beautiful these mariaes...

regards

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sergiskan

more blue...!!

flowering of this palm is a show!!

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sergiskan

these photos are from a garden here on the island...

interesting variation of armatas...

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nice almost pink petioles!! ...brahea clara or weepy armata????

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this is just a little corner of garden

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sergiskan

livistona mariae.

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details about trithrinax sp.

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Shirleypalmpaws

Sergiskan! Wow!

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Phoenikakias

Wow Sergi, which of all those beautiful palms are yours? Could you please post a pic a the whole Livistona mariae, because I think it is quite big. I have never seen in the med a big outplanted mariae except mine. I will post also a pic of mine, which has 2 meters of trunk but it is still juvenile. Which cultivar is this beautiful dacty? I have three exemplaries from a feral form probably originating from Libya (small dates and seeds), which are very silver and besides all leaflets end to a spiny yellow tip.

Thanks Sergi for the new beautiful pics. Now my turn: My Liv mariae and me for scale

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Serenoa repens blue

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Phoenikakias

... and the feral form of dacty

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sergiskan

beautiful Mariae!!..., livistonas are a very interesting genus for cold climates..., fulva and saribus are also cool green palms...

nice colour and morphology of dacty this feral variety, beautiful leaf with long leaflets...

...i tried with serenoa few years ago, but they don´t thrive well at my soil and water..., slowly health decline and finally death...

regards

...Konstantinos, you have done a great job with your palms growing ... always magnificent specimens samples

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sergiskan

...blue mariae!!LOL

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lemon-silver blue armata.

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my favorite Brahea!!

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Phoenikakias

beautiful Mariae!!..., livistonas are a very interesting genus for cold climates..., fulva and saribus are also cool green palms...

nice colour and morphology of dacty this feral variety, beautiful leaf with long leaflets...

...i tried with serenoa few years ago, but they don´t thrive well at my soil and water..., slowly health decline and finally death...

regards

...Konstantinos, you have done a great job with your palms growing ... always magnificent specimens samples

Strange what you have mentioned about the Serenoa Sergi... Mine has bloomed and fruited two times and now blooms for third time. Give this palm another chance beginning this time with a bigger exemplary (bigger exemplaries are overall considerably hardier in the med that seedlings, as is the silver form in comparison to the green one) and use very sandy soil for backfill.

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sonoranfans

I am a fan of livistonas, all kinds of color in those. Looks like there are plenty of blue or bluish palms for the cold hardy grower. In this area it seems that most of the bluish palms are cold hardy, very interesting...

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Phoenikakias

Tom here are some further thoughts. I remember decades ago an american palm collector pertaining that silver palms are most often cold hardier than not silver. Let's think over, what is the reason for the silver color, probably protection from scorching sun and reduction of transpiration, implying further that those palms grow in open areas with seasonal rainfall and reversely seasonal dryness, whereby such plants are not only compelled to shut down growth speed but also to fall in sort of dormancy so that they can stay stay alive during the hard season. Well the hard season beyond tropics is with increasing latitude and clear discrimination of four seasons the winter and the adjacent months. If you take care of dry feet during this harsh season those palms use the same defence mechanism for their survival. Just thoughts...

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sonoranfans

Tom here are some further thoughts. I remember decades ago an american palm collector pertaining that silver palms are most often cold hardier than not silver. Let's think over, what is the reason for the silver color, probably protection from scorching sun and reduction of transpiration, implying further that those palms grow in open areas with seasonal rainfall and reversely seasonal dryness, whereby such plants are not only compelled to shut down growth speed but also to fall in sort of dormancy so that they can stay stay alive during the hard season. Well the hard season beyond tropics is with increasing latitude and clear discrimination of four seasons the winter and the adjacent months. If you take care of dry feet during this harsh season those palms use the same defence mechanism for their survival. Just thoughts...

And these are well considered thoughts Konstantinos, I tend to agree. It may also be that the extra wax that creates the color insulates somewhat to protect and also repels(beads up) condensation that leads to frost damage. So for the zone 9a, and to a lesser extent 8a/b folks, you have as many or more choices of blue palms as those tropical growers. I like green, but it looks best next to blue green, and blue and blue-green look most impressive next to green. The shades in between, like grey green(ex: like L. mariae) or blue green can be used to create a color palate in the garden that gives a depth that is lost on the green only landscape.

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fr8train

beautiful blue palms!!

super silver

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Nice! Do you have any picture of it, your super silver that is?

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sonoranfans

beautiful blue palms!!

super silver

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Nice! Do you have any picture of it, your super silver that is?

I think sergi posted that pic of super silver, pic 5 in post 55. the brahea super silver doesn't turn silver till it gets to be a bit bigger...

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sergiskan

beautiful blue palms!!

super silver

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Nice! Do you have any picture of it, your super silver that is?

this is the super silver...

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i have another smaller than this one that start to turn blue now...

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sergiskan

...this Nova in the shade don´t show real colour...but the leaf underside has a nice blue colour...

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sonoranfans

beautiful blue palms!!

super silver

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Nice! Do you have any picture of it, your super silver that is?

this is the super silver...

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i have another smaller than this one that start to turn blue now...

these are really interesting pics sergei, showing the transition stage in super silver. thanks for the pics!

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Shirleypalmpaws

I cannot get over how super pretty that super silver is! :wub:

While taking photos for Ken, we went ahead and took a few pictures of our blue palms for this thread:

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Chamaerops Humilis cerifera (or, argentea)

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Sabal uresana, pretty sure that's a fifteen gallon with roots starting to poke out the bottom.

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Brahea clara icy blue, I think that's a ten gallon and roots poking out the bottom. It's really, really blue, but the blue didn't show up in this picture.

And...

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This is the palm that Tom (Sonoranfans) inspired for us in his thread titled, "Bismarckias are Pretty Fast Growers in Fla"<--Thanks Tom!!! :D

This is an older photo..must take new ones of the two Ravenea xerophilas, and the Pseudophoenix sargentii

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Blue palms :wub:

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Palm crazy

Two more to add to this thread.

Chamaerops x Argentina

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Butia capitata super blue.

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Phoenikakias

What is the Chamaerops x Argentina? Never heard of it before, very interesting!

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