_Keith 744 Report post Posted June 9, 2013 The Chinese farmed the same lands for over 4000 years without fertilizer by recycling every thing, including their own liquid and solid waste. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bgl 2,751 Report post Posted June 9, 2013 Sounds like fertilizer to me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted June 9, 2013 I'll tell you...I have a certain coconut in my sideyard whose fruits taste much sweeter than the other ones in the front... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edbrown_III 163 Report post Posted June 12, 2013 http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/37309-stangeria-eriopus/#entry581138 a few othe photos to come Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Bruning 22 Report post Posted June 13, 2013 Both Garin and Dick Douglas were proponents of peeing on palms. I do it too. But a caveat. The soil must be moist and not in the same spot all the time. Nitrogen can burn plants and although pee is a weak solution if one gets enough water to drink it can build up. We have heavy clay here in Oakland so salts could build up. I too get problems from female dogs. I try to keep the soil moist and do the best I can but get annoyed by those that let their dogs run loose or walk them and let them piss on my lawn or worse yet... I work hard to have a nice yard and those burn spots are really annoying. I've had to tell more than a coupla people to get their dog off my lawn, get a plastic bag or even handed them one. They act embarrased but only because they got caught. They are careless and lazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trioderob 297 Report post Posted June 14, 2013 anyone try it based on my thread ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Keith 744 Report post Posted June 14, 2013 anyone try it based on my thread ? classic thread. Take a multi-vitamin first, and hit em with the true yellow stuff, lol. Centrum has all of the palm micros needed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Keith 744 Report post Posted June 28, 2013 I cannot believe this thread has gone dormant. So, for the ultimate micro treatment, Centrum Silver expelled and mixed 1-10 with water. We'll see. Each Tablet Contains% Daily Value Vitamin A (40% As Beta-Carotene)2,500IU50%Vitamin C60mg100%Vitamin D500IU125%Vitamin E50IU167%Vitamin K30mcg38%Thiamin1.5mg100%Riboflavin1.7mg100%Niacin20mg100%Vitamin B63mg150%Folic Acid400mcg100%Vitamin B1225mcg417%Biotin30mcg10%Pantothenic Acid10mg100%Calcium220mg22%Phosphorus20mg2%Iodine150mcg100%Magnesium50mg13%Zinc11mg73%Selenium55mcg79%Copper0.5mg25%Manganese2.3mg115%Chromium45mcg38%Molybdenum45mcg60%Chloride72mg2%Potassium80mg2%Boron150mcg*Nickel5mcg*Silicon2mg*Vanadium10mcg*Lutein250mcg*Lycopene300mcg** Daily Value not established Minus of course, whatever my body needed. Keith :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 8,497 Report post Posted June 28, 2013 This thread will never go dormant for long . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenikakias 1,673 Report post Posted June 28, 2013 I am gonna spend weekend in my garden, therefore I bring with me a dozen beer and coca cola cans plus a couple of mineral water bottles (I prefer the cocktail for my palms) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moose 1,465 Report post Posted July 20, 2013 This thread will never go dormant for long . . . http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/37822-asparagus-and-the-smell-of/#entry588372 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edbrown_III 163 Report post Posted July 22, 2013 why waste ammonia and organic nitrogen to the sewers ! --- Get it back in teh terrestial nitrogen cycle and not the water ways ! My motto Best regards Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trioderob 297 Report post Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) dem palms sho do love dat urine make em grow real tall I guuuaranteee................... "Laisser le bon temps rouler"..................... Edited July 22, 2013 by trioderob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trioderob 297 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) folks- I have switched things up a little bit. now the urine does not go on the palms - but is used exclusively as "rocket fuel" on the compost heap. using this rocket fuel i am getting hot compost 160-165f after 3 days. finished compost is now taking a total of 18 days - this would take 8 months with cold composting. fresh compost is added to the palms every 2 months. the fresh compost produces "compost tea" for the first few waterings - giving me a dark green color which is what I am striving for, all manner of insect life can be found in the compost. Edited May 19, 2014 by trioderob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Keith 744 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 folks- I have switched things up a little bit. now the urine does not go on the palms - but is used exclusively as "rocket fuel" on the compost heap. using this rocket fuel i am getting hot compost 160-165f after 3 days. finished compost is now taking a total of 18 days - this would take 8 months with cold composting. fresh compost is added to the palms every 2 months. the fresh compost produces "compost tea" for the first few waterings - giving me a dark green color which is what I am striving for, all manner of insect life can be found in the compost. It looks like I'm going to have to reposition my compost bin, otherwise my neighbors might get to know me better than I'd like them to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trioderob 297 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 There is no smell. I did add jacaranda flowers to the mix just in case............................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kumar 149 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 I fertilise my palms this way sometimes and I can attest to the fact that some are more sensitive to the urea than others. My Synechanthus fibrosus is particularly vulnurable and gets leaf burns that turn black with loss of tissue if the "solution" is not diluted well and splashes on the leaf. I would imagine that yellow urine is more effective as the colouration comes from breakdown of the urea into ammonia..or is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brahea Axel 265 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 Rob, you need a composting toilet. Since you have that avatar, it seems timely to talk about those composting toilets. Which ones are the best? The one I would pick is the Biolet 25: http://www.biolet.com/store/biolet-25-c-3/biolet-25-waterless-toilet-p-5. You poop in it, add some peat moss, and it does the rest for you. Every couple of months you just empty the drawer into your palm garden. It makes great fertilizer. The only reason they're not in use because apparently emptying the drawer and adding peat moss instead of water is apparently too challenging for most people. Well, and the price, of course. ($2K, way too expensive.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dmcdonald 10 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 I have been peeing around my yard and in the compost pile for years. I have never noticed any burning on the plants. I try not to use the same area often and spread the wealth around. I have a friend that has been using a composting toilet for about 20 years. Looks just like the one in the pic Axel posted. I am going to visit this summer and will ask about using the waste for fertilizer. I am sure he probably does as they live off grid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trioderob 297 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) thats too yucky for me. on a serious note - the amount of water used to flush urine is staggering. lets say a person pee 6-8 times a day. thats 7 x 7 gallons a flush = approx 50 gallon a day per person / 5 people in a house is 250 gallon per day. 250 x 365 = 91,250 gallons per year which makes more sense flush away or put the 91,500 gallons per year on the palms ???? if everyone in just san diego did this we are talking BILLIONS of GALLONS SAVED !!!!! Edited May 19, 2014 by trioderob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brahea Axel 265 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 thats too yucky for me. on a serious note - the amount of water used to flush urine is staggering. lets say a person pee 6-8 times a day. thats 7 x 7 gallons a flush = approx 50 gallon a day per person / 5 people in a house is 250 gallon per day. 250 x 365 = 91,250 gallons per year which makes more sense flush away or put the 91,500 gallons per year on the palms ???? Dude, what are you doing with an old 7 gallon flush? We have a 1.6 gallon flush, it works much better than our old crappy toilets. They're cheap, available at home depot for less than $200. Anyone with a 7 gallon flush is really wasting water. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenikakias 1,673 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 folks- I have switched things up a little bit. now the urine does not go on the palms - but is used exclusively as "rocket fuel" on the compost heap. using this rocket fuel i am getting hot compost 160-165f after 3 days. finished compost is now taking a total of 18 days - this would take 8 months with cold composting. fresh compost is added to the palms every 2 months. the fresh compost produces "compost tea" for the first few waterings - giving me a dark green color which is what I am striving for, all manner of insect life can be found in the compost. Can this work also of fresh wood chips? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trioderob 297 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 never said I had a 7 gallon loader, just was saying that its typical for them to use 6-8 gallons from what I read on line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trioderob 297 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 folks- I have switched things up a little bit. now the urine does not go on the palms - but is used exclusively as "rocket fuel" on the compost heap. using this rocket fuel i am getting hot compost 160-165f after 3 days. finished compost is now taking a total of 18 days - this would take 8 months with cold composting. fresh compost is added to the palms every 2 months. the fresh compost produces "compost tea" for the first few waterings - giving me a dark green color which is what I am striving for, all manner of insect life can be found in the compost. Can this work also of fresh wood chips? no - wont work. the mix has to be right for it to light off to 170f where the microbial life has increased to the point were decomposition is almost instantaneous. remember what I wrote- I am getting 8 months of decomposition in approx 18 days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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trioderob 297 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 I am talking hot steaming compost. makes the palms grow like nuts ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brahea Axel 265 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 I am talking hot steaming compost. makes the palms grow like nuts ! That's what a composting toilet does but in a mini-controlled environment. Why are you disgusted by this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trioderob 297 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) thing about the urine is its so easy. just wizz in a decanter and throw it on the heap. you should go for the toilet AXEL - report how well it works on the forum. Edited May 19, 2014 by trioderob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brahea Axel 265 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 Rob, can you send me $2K? It would be a great investment to advance the knowledge of palm growing and composting toilet. Such an investment opportunity comes around only once in your lifetime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trioderob 297 Report post Posted May 19, 2014 Stay Thirsty My Friends, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pando 4,547 Report post Posted May 20, 2014 trioderob, wizz is one thing, but are you willing to try with the more heavier stuff? When you gotta go you gotta go... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ando.wsu 54 Report post Posted May 20, 2014 Since reading this post, i tell all of my friends to pee outside near their favorite palm. To most they all look the same, so I steer them in the right direction. Girls, must go to the toilet. Sounds like they are too harsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Palm crazy 1,353 Report post Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) I’ve really notice a lot of big changes to my garden since I’ve been using urine and fish fertilizer together. All plants have exploded with new and bigger growth. Also, cats in the neighborhood spend all day in my garden they leave there Dippity Do to help fertilize. (something I can’t control!) Edited May 20, 2014 by Palm crazy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sabal Steve 819 Report post Posted May 21, 2014 Both Garin and Dick Douglas were proponents of peeing on palms. I do it too. But a caveat. The soil must be moist and not in the same spot all the time. Nitrogen can burn plants and although pee is a weak solution if one gets enough water to drink it can build up. We have heavy clay here in Oakland so salts could build up. I too get problems from female dogs. I try to keep the soil moist and do the best I can but get annoyed by those that let their dogs run loose or walk them and let them piss on my lawn or worse yet... I work hard to have a nice yard and those burn spots are really annoying. I've had to tell more than a coupla people to get their dog off my lawn, get a plastic bag or even handed them one. They act embarrased but only because they got caught. They are careless and lazy. People who let their dog shit on your lawn are slobs when they are walking their dog, as well as slobs in life. I have a very big dog, what relentlessly pees on my Bismarckia. I don't know what it has been doing for it, if anything, but it hasn't skipped a beat. Right around the perimeter, maybe 2 - 4 feet from the trunk. Maybe around a liter a day, for 3 years. I pee on it sometimes as well, but usually not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Keith 744 Report post Posted May 21, 2014 AND, if properly and consistently applied Urine makes a great herbicide as well. Not only will that troublesome weed die, but it will be months before anything grows there again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
palmislandRandy 280 Report post Posted May 21, 2014 thats too yucky for me. on a serious note - the amount of water used to flush urine is staggering. lets say a person pee 6-8 times a day. thats 7 x 7 gallons a flush = approx 50 gallon a day per person / 5 people in a house is 250 gallon per day. 250 x 365 = 91,250 gallons per year which makes more sense flush away or put the 91,500 gallons per year on the palms ???? Dude, what are you doing with an old 7 gallon flush? We have a 1.6 gallon flush, it works much better than our old crappy toilets. They're cheap, available at home depot for less than $200. Anyone with a 7 gallon flush is really wasting water. Even better, You both need dual flush toilets. Button #1 for #1 = 1 gal & button #2 for #2 = 1.6 gal. That'll save you 6 gallons per flush. Or 'if it's yellow, let it mellow' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimhardy 182 Report post Posted May 23, 2014 Do people still use toilets...? I thought everyone peed in the sink to save water.... One thing you have to watch for when fertilizing around here is the cops-you can be put on the sex offenders list if you are seen fertilizing your garden. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenikakias 1,673 Report post Posted May 23, 2014 AND, if properly and consistently applied Urine makes a great herbicide as well. Not only will that troublesome weed die, but it will be months before anything grows there again. OBJECTION, I pee frequently on a certain spot and nevertheless weeds keep popping up. On the contrary urine helps also palm seeds germinate! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BS Man about Palms 2,333 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 I need to pee.. thus I bumped this thread.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites