Urine makes a great palm fertilizer...........

[trioderob 297]

add one part urine to 10 parts water

the palms love it .

and its free.

I tried it on my Jub and the thing is growing like crazy.

anyone think I am joking ?

Edited May 28, 2013 by trioderob

[Phoenikakias 1,676]

No, but are there not some risks? Like cummulative concentration and unpredictable reaction in very hot days or prolonged hot spells? Those variables make uncertain the red line, which should never be crossed.

[trioderob 297]

let me add some other info:

it really does work great -but may be more suited to sandy soil -there is a chance of salt buildup in very clay soil.

if you get heavy rain it will be fine but if you have clay soil and very little rain you may want to investigate before trying.

also don't use it "hot" or you will burn the palm- it really needs to be diluted 5 -10 to 1

there were some tests in India and the results were jaw dropping - plant growth doubled over man made fert.

as far as being unpredictable in hot weather - I have not heard about that

can you go into detail about what you heard ?

Edited May 28, 2013 by trioderob

[Brahea Axel 269]

I pee on my palms and fruit trees regularly. I can attest to the amazing results. I don't even bother diluting, I just pee right on the plants. What a shame to waste precious fertilizer by flushing it down the toilet.

[Stevetoad 1,717]

my pee has stones in it and makes holes in the leaves...

[_Keith 746]

I pee on my palms and fruit trees regularly. I can attest to the amazing results. I don't even bother diluting, I just pee right on the plants. What a shame to waste precious fertilizer by flushing it down the toilet.

And you save 1.8 gallons of fresh water from flushing down the toilet as well.

[trioderob 297]

I would be careful about running it "hot"

would not want anyone to lose a palm over my post.

this may also be more suited to the male palm enthusiasts.........................

does give them a nice bright green color tho.

if anyone has been doing this for a few years I would be interested in any comments or input.

it is kind of weird - but what the heck ?

Edited May 28, 2013 by trioderob

[dalmatiansoap 384]

my pee has stones in it and makes holes in the leaves...

Oh, UR mulching!

[Brahea Axel 269]

I would be careful about running it "hot"

would not want anyone to lose a palm over my post.

this may also be more suited to the male palm enthusiasts.........................

does give them a nice bright green color tho.

Just FYI, female dogs burn grass when they pee on the grass. I have no idea if this translates to the female part of our own species. I agree with Bob, don't pee directly on the palms unless it's a well established specimen. Although in nature even small plants can withstand the direct urination of mammals.

[trioderob 297]

let me clear something up here:

(so you can see my point about diluting)

It may seem like female dog urine causes more trouble to the lawn than
male dog urine. This is simply because most females tend to squat and
urinate in one place, while many males lift the leg and "mark" upright
objects in multiple locations. The composition of a dog's urine does not
vary that much between male and female dogs, especially when spayed or
neutered.

Edited May 28, 2013 by trioderob

[Palm crazy 1,357]

my pee has stones in it and makes holes in the leaves...

I think it called Pee gravel.

[Palm crazy 1,357]

I’ve seen lots of male cats pee on my plants and they don’t seem to bother them at all. But I think the best ratio is 1 cup to 5 gallons.

[Mike Evans 521]

I cannot agree with you more. Go green, pee on a palm. If you don't have any plants, pee on your neighbors. If everyone did this, we would not have water shortages around here, not to mention the sewer fees are twice the water bill. My palms love it also.

[Darold Petty 2,526]

I first heard of this technique from the late, great Dick Douglas. He was a proponent,.. and we all know how his garden developed!

My Ceroxylon quindiuense has received such attention for 30 years, and it now has 6m of wood trunk.

Don't bother with dilution. just do it ! (discretely, of course)

[trioderob 297]

lets say the average hydrated person goes 6X per day (do not quote me on this)

at 2 gallons a flush you saved 12 gallon

a family of 5 would be 60 gallons per day

60 x 365 days per year ?

21,900 gallons !

lets say you have 7 nice size adult palms in a small garden - thats 3000 gallons more per year per palm extra for growth

thats not chicken feed.

-did someone say not to dilute ???????

Edited May 28, 2013 by trioderob

[DoomsDave 8,654]

You can pee in a cup then pour it on the palm . . . .

[trioderob 297]

heck you could pee in a vase for that matter

[sur4z 376]

I have a super sized bottle palm and attribute its size to my male dog stopping buy every day.

[fan palm 174]

My grass definitely doubles in size and is twice a green. Don't do it after consuming ahh.. several beers the night before though, the results are also jaw dropping.....

[JEFF IN MODESTO 339]

This is such a funny topic and it was just recently argued with the Mrs after she saw me donating nitrogen with one hand a pale ale in the other.

She had the gall to claim I was just being lazy!

I called her jealous...

whoops, that's when it (she) hit me!

Jeff

Edited May 28, 2013 by Jeff in Modesto

[trioderob 297]

donating nitrogen with one hand a pale ale in the other.

.............................

[KennyRE317 21]

that's why my Archontophoenix alexandrae grows so well! my friends prefer going in the corner than the restroom when we're outside

[Brahea Axel 269]

You can pee in a cup then pour it on the palm . . . .

Interestingly enough, THAT is how I actually burned some plants. When peeing naturally, us males tend to disperse a bit, much less chance of a burn, see Bob's comment above regarding female dog pee burning lawns. So if you pee in a cup, a 1-5 or maybe 1-10 volume ratio is the safe way to avoid burn. But peeing, as long as you practice good territory marking etiquette you won't burn any plants.

Incidentally, many pests take the human pee marking as a territory mark and will avoid your garden. Works with gophers and moles.

[Moose 1,469]

You can pee in a cup then pour it on the palm . . . .

Interestingly enough, THAT is how I actually burned some plants. When peeing naturally, us males tend to disperse a bit, much less chance of a burn, see Bob's comment above regarding female dog pee burning lawns. So if you pee in a cup, a 1-5 or maybe 1-10 volume ratio is the safe way to avoid burn. But peeing, as long as you practice good territory marking etiquette you won't burn any plants.

Incidentally, many pests take the human pee marking as a territory mark and will avoid your garden. Works with gophers and moles.

Matty B - is this theorey correct? Have you tried this gopher preventative technique?

[trioderob 297]

no Gopher in his right mind would want to mess with Matty

but back to the subject - hummmm interesting - looks like most of you are already doing this to some extent.

Edited May 28, 2013 by trioderob

[SanDimas 11]

Urine has urea which is a natural breakdown or digestion of protein in our diet.

Uea has ammonia (NH4)....the same nitrogen atom found in most ferts.

Take it easy on the peee or it will burn the plant.

Salud. Ritchy

[LJG 1,167]

I have been doing this since I have had my garden. I even taught my son to do this and to this day he prefers to go in the garden. I taught him as it made clean up easy if you know what I mean. Wife hated it and he peed on a plant in preschool which was embarrassing for me.

[MattyB 2,014]

lets say the average hydrated person goes 6X per day (do not quote me on this)

at 2 gallons a flush you saved 12 gallon

a family of 5 would be 60 gallons per day

60 x 365 days per year ?

21,900 gallons !

lets say you have 7 nice size adult palms in a small garden - thats 3000 gallons more per year per palm extra for growth

thats not chicken feed.

-did someone say not to dilute ???????

What the hell are these 5 people doing home all day and what do you think their yard smells like?

Gophers eat my pea for breakfast. They could care less.

[Dypsisdean 1,108]

New fertilizer regimen: 3-4 rainy day keggers a year.

[Kim 3,443]

So... I should just invite all the drunks and bums in OB to come over and pee in my garden instead of on the sidewalk?

[Brahea Axel 269]

lets say the average hydrated person goes 6X per day (do not quote me on this)

at 2 gallons a flush you saved 12 gallon

a family of 5 would be 60 gallons per day

60 x 365 days per year ?

21,900 gallons !

lets say you have 7 nice size adult palms in a small garden - thats 3000 gallons more per year per palm extra for growth

thats not chicken feed.

-did someone say not to dilute ???????

What the hell are these 5 people doing home all day and what do you think their yard smells like?

Gophers eat my pea for breakfast. They could care less.

Matty, I take it you're not into the pee thing or else you'd know peeing in the garden doesn't make it smell like pee. Now I wouldn't recommend feeding gophers any peas for breakfast or dinner, for that matter, no lima beans or any vegetable either.

I take it you don't have an iPhone or an Android either, eh? If I had to stay home to get to 15,218 posts like you have, I really would have to stay home all day.

[Hammer 650]

I'm reminded of the story of the American folk hero, Johnny Appleseed. Who became legendary for traveling from town to town and farm to farm and planting apple trees wherever he went.

This thread inspired me. I have always wanted to do something great. Something that will live on beyond me in legend.

I will go from house to house in my neighborhood and pee on all the palms. Perhaps one day I will be known as Hammer Palm-pee-er. I will, no doubt, be remembered for my selfless act of neighborhood beautification and become a legend in my own rite.

Can't wait for tomorrow!

[Brahea Axel 269]

I'm reminded of the story of the American folk hero, Johnny Appleseed. Who became legendary for traveling from town to town and farm to farm and planting apple trees wherever he went.

This thread inspired me. I have always wanted to do something great. Something that will live on beyond me in legend.

I will go from house to house in my neighborhood and pee on all the palms. Perhaps one day I will be known as Hammer Palm-pee-er. I will, no doubt, be remembered for my selfless act of neighborhood beautification and become a legend in my own rite.

Can't wait for tomorrow!

I'll be sure to read the police log in the Orange County Register the next couple of days, it should be fun!

Say 'Hammer Palm-pee-er' 10 times real fast.

[Phoenikakias 1,676]

let me add some other info:

it really does work great -but may be more suited to sandy soil -there is a chance of salt buildup in very clay soil.

if you get heavy rain it will be fine but if you have clay soil and very little rain you may want to investigate before trying.

also don't use it "hot" or you will burn the palm- it really needs to be diluted 5 -10 to 1

there were some tests in India and the results were jaw dropping - plant growth doubled over man made fert.

as far as being unpredictable in hot weather - I have not heard about that

can you go into detail about what you heard ?

It is not what I have heard but rather what I have experienced. All you said in your posting about sandy vs clayish soil is absolutely true. Difference is vast. I keep three dogs in my garden, which now and then used to pee near palms. That had not been a problem for 4 years until last summer, which was exceptionally constantly hot (for two months every day 38 C- dry is summer here anyway). Three palms of mine ( Trachycarpus oreophilus, Pritchardia hillebrandii and a Brahea sp) towards mid to late August collapsed suddenly and irreversibly. I attribute it (I am certain as it can be) to the urea cummulation. Watering pattern had not changed, it was just that for such a long time weather was so very hot and dry (latter anyway), that the content of water in soil got reduced gradually beyond the critical point of lethal urea-concentration. "Uncertain" refers to where this red line lies every time, as this depends very much on weather's fluctuation. I do not think that dilution in clay soil can prevent significantly an accident, if the soil moisture gets vaporised as in my case.

[MattyB 2,014]

Axel, your powers of deduction are amazing.

[Phoenikakias 1,676]

no Gopher in his right mind would want to mess with Matty

but back to the subject - hummmm interesting - looks like most of you are already doing this to some extent.

This is a recent pic of my Arenga pinnata fed with my pee (not right near the stem but under the canopy generally). Of course also the next growing Livistona chinensis profits.

... but I have to point out emphatically that soil level due to orientation (eastwards) is deeply shaded in summer and so safe from drying midday and noon sun. So soil remains moister.

Edited May 29, 2013 by Phoenikakias

[richnorm 490]

Yep, I pee on my palms too but it stops there!

[Gonzer 1,662]

I heard Mardy used to drink a coupla cases of 16 oz Buds a day.

[John in Andalucia 623]

I propose SoCal elects a night soil man.

[Brahea Axel 269]

Surprise surprise, just as I thought things were getting dull on palmtalk with talk of Latin pronunciation., this is easily the most popular thread on PalmTalk. Obviously this is a popular practice, well, at least amongst male palm growers. Now the challenge is to catch the elusive palm grower in the act and let the paparazis spring into action.

Here in Santa Cruz hippyville we have lots of permaculturists. I know of at least one fellow who installed a urinal in his bathroom that leads to a collector where he lets the urine accumulate and mix with wood chips. Totally not up to code but this fellow doesn't buy fertilizer anymore. Nope, he's not married but I am sure most women would be happy not to have to deal with urine splatter anymore.

Enough potty talk for today. Anybody get the Orange County Register?