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Sabal texana can survive zone 8 easy

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GREENHAND

This sabal tex is in my front yard survived below 10 deg and very strong north winds with no problems. i would highly recomend this palm in zone 8 gardens.post-59-0-71083900-1367336860_thumb.jpgpost-59-0-41845900-1367336883_thumb.jpg

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Brad Mondel

Looking good. I have queen palms here in my zone 8b garden for three years-no protection and no damage. Don't always listen to what you hear!

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buffy

If anyone gets a chance, get on Google maps and go to the intersection of State Highway 77 and the Aransas River down in south Texas. If you look carefully north and south of the intersection, you'll see some Sabal mexicana rising from the upper portion of the banks.

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GREENHAND

Greenhand: I forget, is S. texana synonymous with S. mexicana or S. x texensis. I think its S. mexicana. Regardless, here's a fun post I made a few years ago about the S. mexicana clump in my yard:

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/17942-sabal-mexicana-on-the-aransas-river/

Hey buffy. I think they are one in the same. i also have one at my lake cabin that does well. one of my favorite sabals for sure.i would think they are as cold hardy as a w filifera. also great post on the ones on the aransas river.

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GREENHAND

Her is another one growing in my back yard with a good fat trunk.post-59-0-44520700-1367612165_thumb.jpg

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sarasota alex

Greenhand: I forget, is S. texana synonymous with S. mexicana or S. x texensis. I think its S. mexicana. Regardless, here's a fun post I made a few years ago about the S. mexicana clump in my yard:

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/17942-sabal-mexicana-on-the-aransas-river/

Hey buffy. I think they are one in the same. i also have one at my lake cabin that does well. one of my favorite sabals for sure.i would think they are as cold hardy as a w filifera. also great post on the ones on the aransas river.

S. texana is the synonym for S. mexicana. S x texensis is now officially called S. x brazoriensis

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ghar41

Greenhand- yours are beautiful palms! Thanks for posting :)

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Brian Bruning

I live in northern CA but have visited TX from time to time. There are lots of Washintonias in Dallas/Ft. Worth. Most are crosses. I've seen the native Sabals in San Antonio and Austin. I have a couple of young ones here including S. texana and S. brazorensis. I'm trying Copernicia alba but want seed from the hardiest groves in Argentina. Does anyone have seeds or seedlings from such a grove?

Here palms are naturalizing too. Washingtonias of all three types but filifera only inland. Brahea edulis pops up all over Berkeley and Oakland from neighboring trees. It is from a 7 million year old volcanic island (same as Kauai) that has never been attached to the mainland. It grows with one pine, one cypress, one juniper and one oak specie. All others survive on the mainland or other islands. The palm was extripated from the mainland at some point as was Q. tomentella which is a very ornamental oak. B. armata has suddenly been discovered by landscapers and is appearing esp. around Palm Springs. It is native only 5 miles (8km) souch of the border at Mexicali at Guadalupe Canyon. It is a hot springs camp ground where I camped some years back. It grows wild with W. filifera. P. dactylifera is naturalized around the area too. I've driven south to Mugulé and saw many groves of Washingtonia robusta, filibusta and B. armata. The oasis at San Ignacio has an enormous date palm grove. The missions and history are great too. I tried to get to see B. brandegeii when visiting Cabo San Lucas but needed at least a day and horses and the other guys were not into either. There is a relict oak/pine/palm forest above about 3000'/1000m and that would be something to see.

As far as freak frosts. I lived in Miami back in the 80s. I heard tell from Cubans that there was a hard frost and snowfall in western Cuba in the 1890s. Crops of all types failed. I've read that the Roystonea elata of Florida at that time grew north to Deland FL almost to Jacksonville but froze back to the Everglades zone 10/11. We had almost such a frost here in NorCal back in 1990 and the citrus crop failed. I lost a few experimental plants as we'd just bought this house.

I suspect that your lost palms not just due to deprecation for pier posts but from freezing. For posts they would have removed adults but seedlings and immature individuals too short for the task would have been left and sooner or later they would have seeded around. At least a few inaccessable individuals should have made it.

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Brahea Axel

Her is another one growing in my back yard with a good fat trunk.attachicon.gifry%3D400.jpg

I hope mine will look like that someday. It's much cooler here so it will take a long time. But it's fun nevertheless. Mine is s. mexicana, which I think is the same thing.

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GREENHAND

They also seem to handle the extreme heat well it often gets to over 100 deg plus in the summer here in the Dallas area. Then i will hand water them just to make sure.

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WestCoastGal

Greenhand, really nice palms and yard. What type is the one in #6? Very curved leaves, almost butia like in the curvature, but not a butia trunk for sure.

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dalmatiansoap

Greenhand, really nice palms and yard. What type is the one in #6? Very curved leaves, almost butia like in the curvature, but not a butia trunk for sure.

Sabal :wub:

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