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I worked hard trying to keep things alive int he dry heat.  I really appreciated the desert adapted palms, these were much less work and looked better 90% of the time.  Clay soil is great I have learned, but that low RH, high heat is most intimidating.

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96720

Nothing is quite like a royal

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The first photo is a palm in Paradise Valley Az. You could drive by and see it at 7740 Mockingbird lane I showed the picture to Phil at Jungle Music and he thought it was a coconut queen that photo was taken on July 31. The 3rd photo is my coconut queen. The second photo is my mule in my opinion the coconut queen is a much pretty palm than a mule and takes the heat much better and that location in PV is one of the coldest spots in the valley.

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GeneAZ
On 1/30/2021 at 11:52 AM, 96720 said:

The first photo is a palm in Paradise Valley Az. You could drive by and see it at 7740 Mockingbird lane I showed the picture to Phil at Jungle Music and he thought it was a coconut queen that photo was taken on July 31. The 3rd photo is my coconut queen. The second photo is my mule in my opinion the coconut queen is a much pretty palm than a mule and takes the heat much better and that location in PV is one of the coldest spots in the valley.

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That first image shows zero effect from the horrible summer last year!  One tough palm there.

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96720

And beautiful!!!

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xoRudy

Anyone know when the palms start to come out of dormancy? The Arizona heat should bring them out in the next couple weeks right? Also, how long before spring should we start fertilizing?

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Silas_Sancona
1 minute ago, xoRudy said:

Anyone know when the palms start to come out of dormancy? The Arizona heat should bring them out in the next couple weeks right? Also, how long before spring should we start fertilizing?

Personally, would wait a couple more weeks. While not likely ftm, could still see a few chilly mornings this month which would help keep soil temps from moving up at a faster pace.. If by the 25th it has been in the 75-80F range most days, and there are no sub 40 mornings forecast thru the rest of the month, won't hurt throwing around something light, and organic..  By roughly 2nd week in March, you should see stuff picking up speed.. Fertilize a bit heavier then.  Is a pattern i have noticed and follow anyway.

Noticed that as warm as it was today, ground is pretty cool, -by desert standards anyway-.  On the other hand, water from the outside tap has been a tad warmer all winter this year.

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GeneAZ

The last frost or freeze I've experienced in the last 35 years has been around February 14-16.  So that's when I start my container feeding.  Things in the ground I start in March.

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xoRudy

@GeneAZ @Silas_Sancona thank you! I’m very excited for this summer. This will be the palms second summer. The first summer they were newly planted and we had a record breaking summer with our temperature.I hoping they’ll all take off this summer

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xoRudy

Good morning Arizona,

What palms are coming out of dormancy in your yard? In my yard....

Palms that are slowly coming out of dormancy

- Roystonea Regia

- Washingtonia Filbusta, Filifera 

- Copernicia Alba, Baileyana 

- Bismarckia Nobilis (Green)

- Sabal Uresana

- Brahea SuperSilver

- Thrinax Radiata

- Phoenix Sylvestris, Canariensis

Palms that haven't yet showed signs of coming out

- Phoenix Dactylifera

- Coccothrinax Argentata, Miraguama

- Pseudophoenix Sargentii

- Rhapis Excelsa

- Sabal Palmetto

- Wodyetia Bifurcata

- Dypsis Decaryi, Lutescens

- Coperinica Prunifera

- Brahea Armata, Brandegeei, Clara

- Bismarckia Nobilis (Silver)

- Chamaerops Humilis

- Butia Capitata

- Livistona Chinensis, Australis

- Mule (Butia/Syagrus)

- Beccariophoenix Alfredii

- Thrinax Morrisii

 

Is your yard similar in species that are out of dormancy or still in it? Whats going on in your yard?

 

 

 

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AZ_Palm_Guy

Hello all,

I am new to the forum and was wondering if I could get some help on diagnosing what is wrong with my Bismarck Palm. Here is just some info on where I live and about the palm. I currently live between Tucson and Phoenix, so temperatures lean more towards warmer than Tucson. Soil is clay type. Plant came in a 25 gallon pot and I was extremely careful when I transplanted it. No root damage at all. Came from a nursery in Phoenix where it was under shade cloth or shade cover. The spears coming out of the palm look good and haven't changed color. I also marked them to make sure i noticed if they were growing (no movement yet). I also monitor the soil with a moisture meter that I have. I just don't know what's wrong with it or is there something I can do to help it. Any feedback would be much appreciated

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GeneAZ

It's no disease.  I think it's just the change from  partial shade to blasting AZ sun.  New growth will tell the tale.

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wase471111

are you feeding it anything at this point?

also, when it gets a little warmer in the next few days, I would start doing  a long, slow soak of 30 minutes or so, at least once a month for a few months, to help the roots find their new way.

I have a newer bizzy, and since planting it in september of 2020, its really taken hold well, and added alot of fronds.

I found that the deep watering, especially when the heat oven gets going in a month or so, seems to get them really perked up.

What exposure is it planted in?  Mine is in the west, so it really gets hot after noon every day, so keep in mind how its oriented.

this photo was taken in October of 2020; its almost a foot taller now, and has at least 6 new fronds since being planted

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AZ_Palm_Guy
2 hours ago, wase471111 said:

are you feeding it anything at this point?

also, when it gets a little warmer in the next few days, I would start doing  a long, slow soak of 30 minutes or so, at least once a month for a few months, to help the roots find their new way.

I have a newer bizzy, and since planting it in september of 2020, its really taken hold well, and added alot of fronds.

I found that the deep watering, especially when the heat oven gets going in a month or so, seems to get them really perked up.

What exposure is it planted in?  Mine is in the west, so it really gets hot after noon every day, so keep in mind how its oriented.

this photo was taken in October of 2020; its almost a foot taller now, and has at least 6 new fronds since being planted

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I am not currently feeding it anything. As soon as I noticed the fronds changing in color I did not want to add anything just in case it made it worse. 

Once you do the deep watering what is the watering schedule you do? I don't want to waterlog my Bismarck just due to the clay soil. 

Mine also is planted with West exposure so hot sun everyday. As I mentioned above all the new spears have not changed color and look really good. 

How long did it take for you to notice your Bismarck taking hold? 

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wase471111
22 minutes ago, AZ_Palm_Guy said:

I am not currently feeding it anything. As soon as I noticed the fronds changing in color I did not want to add anything just in case it made it worse. 

Once you do the deep watering what is the watering schedule you do? I don't want to waterlog my Bismarck just due to the clay soil. 

Mine also is planted with West exposure so hot sun everyday. As I mentioned above all the new spears have not changed color and look really good. 

How long did it take for you to notice your Bismarck taking hold? 

I would get some sort of palm food down, granular for sure, and do a very light amount for the first time or 2

Until the plant is established, for at least the first 6 months, I would not give it any shallow waterings, instead opting for the slow deep soaks. If we get any actual rain, then its just a bonus. Once it gets superhot, in late may and june, I would be doing the deep soak at least twice a week, for a month or 2, and see how the tree reacts. once it seems like its taking nicely, then 2 or 3 times a week and shorter soaking, say 10-15 minutes will be fine.

I could see that after a month or so, the tree was doing nicely. But mine was planted in the month of September, so I dont know if that made any difference.

I'm still learning about palms!

 

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wase471111

6 months in the ground..

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6 hours ago, wase471111 said:

6 months in the ground..

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Oh yeah your bizzy looks good! I'll take your advice and hopefully with these warmer days ahead mine will become more established and start to turn around.

I also have a sylvester palm and that one is also giving me trouble. I have never had such trouble with palms until my bizzy and sylvester. As you can see below just lost all of its color. I'm thinking its a bit of transplant shock and adjusting to this arizona weather. But I'm not 100% sure..

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wase471111

were these planted from a pot then  into the ground, or were they both in the ground, dug out, then planted here in the ground?

 

 

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AZ_Palm_Guy
5 minutes ago, wase471111 said:

were these planted from a pot then  into the ground, or were they both in the ground, dug out, then planted here in the ground?

 

 

Both were planted from a pot. Both came from nurseries. No root damage at all to either. 

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wase471111

thats encouraging, since digging out of palm from the ground, and then planting it elsewhere in the ground can be very problematic..

When you planted them from the pot, did you plant as much "pot dirt" as possible along with the transplanted tree?

good luck!

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AZ_Palm_Guy
2 hours ago, wase471111 said:

thats encouraging, since digging out of palm from the ground, and then planting it elsewhere in the ground can be very problematic..

When you planted them from the pot, did you plant as much "pot dirt" as possible along with the transplanted tree?

good luck!

Yes thankfully both were in pots. 

Yes I did, the root ball on both palm trees stayed in tact and I made sure to compact them as best as I could. 

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96720

If you have a lot of money and want to try a large coconut I was at Shamus O’Leary’s place today and he brought in a lot of huge coconut palms

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xoRudy
17 hours ago, 96720 said:

If you have a lot of money and want to try a large coconut I was at Shamus O’Leary’s place today and he brought in a lot of huge coconut palms

 

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Padraic

My Bismarckia Nobilis has suffered a wind blow over while in pot and retard its growth for a few months. Old frond died off. As long as new growth established and most likely is fine. Attached is my palm history

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