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4 hours ago, sonoranfans said:

I lived in gilbert AZ and grew palms for 10 years and visited tuscon  often.  Tuscon is about 1300' higher in elevation than phoenix.  Winter cold there is 3-5 degrees cooler during the big cold events than Gilbert.  My queens were about 50% burned and my bizzies 6-14' overall were totally defoliated while I ran a propane heater nearby.  1/4 Bizzies died in the 2007 short radiational cold event at 21F, it was 55F by noon that day.  These are fast cold events, but anyone who knows palms knows that 3-5 degrees changes everything for the long term.  There is hope of the increasing heat island in phoenix area and center phoenix inside the 101 was up to 8-9 degrees warmer than my place in gilbert due to a massive heat island effect.   Arizona tropic (on this board) in mesa reported they hit 26F as I recall, Mesa having a notably better heat island effect than Gilbert at that time.  Casa Grande 41mi to the south of Phoenix but at the same elevation -without a heat island effect- hit 16F in 2007.  I looked at long term palms in Tuscon as being much less protected by the heat island than in the phoenix metro area.  During that time bismarckia were readily available at area nurseries, I bought 4(15 gallon/24" box) in 2001.  Tuscons palms I saw driving around did not include bismarckia, NONE.  And I dont recall ANY queens larger than 20' tall (overall),which outside washies were the most commonly pushed landscape palms by housing developers in phx at that time.  My conclusion about tuscon was that it was nicer than Phoenix in summer a good 5F+ cooler, but the choices in browing palms stopped at a cold 9a, possibly a warm 8b depending on location.  I pushed zones in both AZ and florida for 20 years with palms.  It can be fun to see unusual palms, but you really cant get past the 3-5F difference in winter cold when the cold of the decade comes down.  While population in PHX area doubled from 2.3 to 4.3 million from 1990 to 2010, it has been much slower, about a 25% increase since then.  Tuscon, with about 20% the population of phoenix, grows at about 1.1% a year, phoenix grows at 1.6-1.7% a year.  I really dont see tuscon as having a large enough population to give a serious heat island effect, it is about the size that phoenix was in 1970.  

Tucson does have some Bismarkias around town now. Long term we’ll see how they fare. They aren’t that large from what I recall when I saw them a year ago. They’re near the University area. In the Valley they’re fairly common now. Heading down (or up for that matter) to Tucson and the southern part of the state feels like an entirely different landscape than Phoenix. Sonoita, the wine country etc. beautiful!

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Mr.SamuraiSword
On 2/8/2020 at 3:51 PM, wrigjef said:

I stopped by the Royal Palms Resort today to see the Dypsis Lutescens in person and was amazed by all the tropicals growing. 
Here are a few pics 

Can anyone identify the last tree?  Not a palm obviously but looks very tropical 

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Are parts of the resort open to the public? or do you have to make an appointment to walk through the gardens

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wrigjef
2 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Are parts of the resort open to the public? or do you have to make an appointment to walk through the gardens

All of it is open to the public.  Just park and walk around.  They have beautiful grounds and a full time landscape staff.  It’s quite impressive for Phoenix but it is in one of the best microclimates in the state.  Right on the Southside of Camelback Mountain and a bit elevated from the surrounding      Area.  Freezes on this property are probably one every 10 years and no lower then 30 degrees.  10A location for sure!  

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Saw a huge everglades palm today, probably the state champion.   The tallest trunks were at least 20ft.  Wonder if it was brought in large, or has been there a while. Also a couple healthy chinese Fans. Shade sure helps with these.  These were planted by an apartment complex on Indian school road. 

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Mr.SamuraiSword

Also stopped by royal palm resort, amazed at the amount of Dypsis Lutscens there.  Lots of mature chamadorea, even some Kentia palms.  They also had a second smaller royal. 

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aztropic

Small royal needs more water! :( Internodes have really shrunk compared to previous Florida growth.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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dsotm

Anywhere to buy mules in North Phoenix?

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aztropic
On 5/1/2020 at 9:24 AM, aztropic said:

Small royal needs more water! :( Internodes have really shrunk compared to previous Florida growth.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Here's what mine look like grown from seed here in AZ. Internodes are all the same size.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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2 hours ago, dsotm said:

Anywhere to buy mules in North Phoenix?

Pretty much ANY nursery has these available now... I've seen everything from 3 gallon size to 48" box. Even my local HD's have them right now. Check around, as prices vary widely!

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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1 hour ago, aztropic said:

Pretty much ANY nursery has these available now... I've seen everything from 3 gallon size to 48" box. Even my local HD's have them right now. Check around, as prices vary widely!

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

2 for the price of 1? Mules are a great choice for our climate and don't have all the problems associated with older queens.I highly recommend them. :)

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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dsotm

Lowes is closer but haven't seen them there. Looks like a trip to HD is in order. 

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AZJakeB
7 hours ago, dsotm said:

Anywhere to buy mules in North Phoenix?

Pacific Palms Had quite a few.  They're North Phoenix.

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Mr.SamuraiSword

I wouldn't mind seeing more palmettos around town, especially if they were trimmed as much as these.  I am pretty amazed how you basically have 6 species that make up 95% of the palms around despite so many others that do well, and queens do so poorly and yet keep getting planted.  Sylvester dates also seem very uncommon for some reason.  I see more sabals than those for sure.  

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aztropic

The problem is time... and time is money. The palms you see planted everywhere are generally good looking fast growers that survive our conditions;and fill the bill of most people looking for "a palm". A slow growing palm,and there are many like Copernicia,Coccothrinax,and Pseudophoenix that do well here,take too long to get to a saleable size and just can't compete price wise at 10 times the price for the same size palm.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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On 5/5/2020 at 7:14 PM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

I wouldn't mind seeing more palmettos around town, especially if they were trimmed as much as these.  I am pretty amazed how you basically have 6 species that make up 95% of the palms around despite so many others that do well, and queens do so poorly and yet keep getting planted.  Sylvester dates also seem very uncommon for some reason.  I see more sabals than those for sure.  

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Here's a couple Sabal palmettos I walk by all the time.Not too common in AZ,but grow just fine if you need a thinner trunked fan palm without all the teeth!

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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Mr.SamuraiSword
2 minutes ago, aztropic said:

Here's a couple Sabal palmettos I walk by all the time.Not too common in AZ,but grow just fine if you need a thinner trunked fan palm without all the teeth!

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

the picture didn't load, on another note, theres actually a palm farm on craigslist for sale. growing along with standard species are Sabal Palmetto, Sabal Mexicana, Livingstonia Decipiens, and Brahea Edulis.  Heres a couple photos from the listing. who knows, maybe in the next 20 years Sabals and Livistonia will start getting popular?  

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96720

I am new to this a friend told me about this blog I didn’t realize that there other crazy people in Phoenix. I have 10 Bismarck palms , 18 or so royals, a foxtail, a triangle, a caryota, some Beccariophoenix alfredia, a few Jubeas, a parajubea, a chambeyronia, some mules, some different Sygrus other than queens, Allahoptera, nannorrhops, Hyphaene,  lots of different Phoenix species, Medemia, etc. lots of my palms have come from trial and error I have lost a lot of Palms since I found this blog I was wondering how much sun a pseudophoenix will take as I have one that is now large enough for the yard and I don’t want to lose it they are hard to find and slow to grow. 

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Mr.SamuraiSword
11 hours ago, aztropic said:

Here's a couple Sabal palmettos I walk by all the time.Not too common in AZ,but grow just fine if you need a thinner trunked fan palm without all the teeth!

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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Those arent sabals, look like some kind of brahea

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Tom in Tucson
20 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Those arent sabals, look like some kind of brahea

When I used to live in the Phoenix area I remember that the main Phoenix library lawn had a Brahea edulis about the size of these shown here. I was surprised that a palm from the cool region of Guadalupe Island did so well there.

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96720

How much sun will a psedophoenix palm take in Phoenix 

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aztropic

As much sun as you want to give it.I have one that gets blasted with full afternoon western sun, plus 130F reflected summer heat and it grows as well as any other planted around the yard that has a little more shade.It usually yellows up with the summer heat, but greens up again when the monsoon rains kick in.Once you have some developed trunk,you might want to shade that area in the summer to keep the blue rings from turning yellow, but the fronds and crownshaft never need any sun protection.

I've had the best success with sargentii,although I also have vinifera and ekmanii growing too.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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Mr.SamuraiSword
On 5/17/2020 at 9:54 PM, Tom in Tucson said:

When I used to live in the Phoenix area I remember that the main Phoenix library lawn had a Brahea edulis about the size of these shown here. I was surprised that a palm from the cool region of Guadalupe Island did so well there.

Hi 102˚, Lo 62˚

I saw this a month ago by the library. I assumed it was a weird Washingtonia considering the frond butchering.  Perhaps this is the one you were talking about. 

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Tom in Tucson

I think that's the palm, but I wouldn't swear to it.

Hi 89˚, Lo 53˚

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96720

Is anyone growing gaussia’s

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DesertCoconut
22 minutes ago, 96720 said:

Is anyone growing gaussia’s

I've got a small 1 gallon gaussia gomez-pompae I haven't planted yet. It's 3 years old and gets a couple hours of sun before noon. I have never protected it from cold and doesn't seem to need any. It really speeds up with the heat. I'm looking for that perfect spot to plant it, probably next spring.

 

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Garcia3

 @aztropic how much water do your Sargentii typically get throughout the year? Does internode spacing change with watering habits like in Royals? Also how are you watering that Sargentii stuck between all those ferocactus? Great Combination!!

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Fusca
On 5/17/2020 at 3:25 AM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Those arent sabals, look like some kind of brahea

Brahea calcarea is the only Brahea (besides super silver) with unarmed petioles.  Looks like a possibility.

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aztropic
45 minutes ago, Garcia3 said:

 @aztropic how much water do your Sargentii typically get throughout the year? Does internode spacing change with watering habits like in Royals? Also how are you watering that Sargentii stuck between all those ferocactus? Great Combination!!

Everything is still hand watered about every other day May thru September. Little to none over the winter if it rains every other week. Cactus don't mind water as long as they are growing.Since sargentii only add a ring or two to the trunk here each year,I don't think watering habits has much to do with internode spacing.More from the genetics.

Here's a picture of 2 planted at the same time,same exact amount of water. See what I mean? Left is standard sargentii,right is var. Navassana.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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96720

Where are those growing How much sun will a psedophoenix palm take in Phoenix 

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aztropic
3 hours ago, 96720 said:

Is anyone growing gaussia’s

I have a few. Here's a princeps trunk.They all pretty much look the same.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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6 minutes ago, 96720 said:

Where are those growing How much sun will a psedophoenix palm take in Phoenix 

I took that picture in February in the Dominican Republic . Question about pseudophoenix and our sun was already answered about 10 posts ago...

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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96720

How much sun are that getting ? I have some Gomez-pompae and some attenuate that are in the greenhouse waiting to get some size before I move them outside

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aztropic

Eastern exposure on all the gaussias.They will burn in too much sun in Phoenix.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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aztropic

Royal poinciana has just started to flower again! Always look forward to these bright red blooms.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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96720

That’s a beautiful tree looks like a beautiful royal in the background my favorite palm I must have 20 or so in my yard 

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aztropic

Royals are the best crownshafted palm for the valley,hands down.If people want to try and grow a palm with a crownshaft in Phoenix,I always recommend they start with this one.Over the years,I've sold hundreds of them locally,and always wonder how many of them are still alive. :)

 

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96720

Are these black spots on the leafs a water problem or nutrient problem or pest or something else?

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On 5/21/2020 at 6:43 PM, aztropic said:

Everything is still hand watered about every other day May thru September. Little to none over the winter if it rains every other week. Cactus don't mind water as long as they are growing.Since sargentii only add a ring or two to the trunk here each year,I don't think watering habits has much to do with internode spacing.More from the genetics.

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Really!  Every other day? Even the plants in the ground? 

Am I under-watering? During the hot months  I’ve been watering plants in the ground about once a week. Plants in pots twice a week.  Soil here has lots of clay. I don’t want to induce any rot.  

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aztropic

I probably over water for the most part... Just something I like to do like walking the dog.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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BillDaCat8

What’s the consensus on that? 
 

Phx locals,  what’s your watering schedule? 

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