Local Arizona Thread

[96720]

Chrysalidocarpus prestoniana 

[96720]

Ravenea rivularis

[96720]

Some kind of hybrid 

[96720]

Parajubea torallyi

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Phoenix rupicola 

[96720]

Phoenix rupicola hybrid 

[96720]

Beccariophoenix alfredii 

[96720]

And of course my favorite royal 

[96720]

Forgot about a lot of others as I’m working in the jungle today noticed the Areca catechu dwarf it’s in dense shade the heat doesn’t seem to bother these but as Scott @aztropictropic and Meg @PalmatierMeg says they don’t like cold I lost one last winter so this is number 2 of 3 and done this is in a new area of the jungle that I’m developing had to cut my way thru I’ll try a better method of keeping it warm this winter I think I gave it too much love last winter!!!

[96720]

Forgot the photo 

[Desertlife4me]

what are the expert's thoughts on planting palms this time of year? Temps are starting to cool down and we have at least a couple of months before threat of frost.

 

 

[96720]

I would plant this time of year but my preferred time is early spring 

[Bennie]

On 9/10/2023 at 7:08 AM, 96720 said:

And of course my favorite royal 

How old is this guy?

[96720]

I don’t know but I would say maybe 12 years I have only been in the house 18 years and that corner was not the first thing I planted and that royal is not the first tree in that spot I don’t remember what I planted there first but it has a $200 hole I dug a hole 4 by 4 by 4 and put in all kinds of good stuff and that plant died then I was more into palms and planted that royal and it grows like a weed!! But I still wouldn’t dig a hole like that again!!

[96720]

This is my red latan palm I got from Scott @aztropic heat didn’t phase it it has put out 5 new fronds since I planted it a few months ago the petioles are not as long as they were but as you can see not the least bit of frond burn!!

[aztropic]

Latania looks great! It was always in full afternoon summer sun at my place,so I knew it would do well in a full sun location planted in the ground. I just didn't have any more land available to give it the space it needed. They basically end up looking like baby Bismarckia when they mature; and they always seem to tolerate desert conditions very well. Hopefully,more desert dwellers will consider giving the species a try.  

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[Desertlife4me]

I went through this thread again for the 3rd time, this time I took notes and compiled a list of all the palms (or most of them anyway) that can be grown in the Phoenix area.

I specifically ignored species that could not handle full sun at all (king palms, majesty palms, areca palms etc..). I used categories that would be important like tolerance of full Arizona sun (which is more intense than say Florida sun), cold tolerance, heat tolerance, wind tolerance and salt tolerance the latter could be an issue as we do have salt in our soil and well water. I ranked them from 0 to 5, a zero would mean that the plant will not survive outdoors at all, a three would mean that you might have to protect it and a five means no worries at all. Of course, there are always events that fall way outside the norm, and we simply cannot account for these.

Let me know if I missed any or missed judged any of them. If there was no information available, I gave them a 4, benefit of the doubt, figuring if no one has reported an issue, it probably isn't a problem.

desert palms.xlsx

[96720]

I don’t think I would include parajubea or beccariophoenix on the list mine that are growing are in shade I killed 3 beccariophoenix this summer trying them in full sun!

[96720]

In my opinion royal palm should be way higher on the list than than overall 19 the only problem it has is cold tolerance!!

[Silas_Sancona]

Aside from Washingtonia,  everything Brahea  and Sabal, ( in that order ) should be 2nd and 3rd in the " Hardy / tough / rarely effected by heat / cold " " Group 1 " section of the list  since they are best adapted to our area..

...Next hardiest group on my own list would be Phoenix, Chamaerhops, X Mules, Bismarckia, and Nannorrhops, ... ( Group #2 )

Royals would be at the top of the " fairly hardy, but subject to occasional cold / heat-related  damage " " Group #3 " section of the overall  list ..

...Followed by  tougher Caribbean / Cuban stuff  ..other heat tolerant sps / Genera outside the Caribbean basin. 


Stuff like Queens, ..and anything rainforest-y / from mountainous areas of the tropics would round out the bottom of the list since 90-something % seem to croak as soon as they reach full sun exposure. 

That said, i think Beccariophoenix and Majesty Palm could survive -more- sun if grown directly next to a deep pond,  and provided some afternoon shade.  From a cold tolerance standpoint, both shouldn't have many -or any-  cold - related issues in most non -rural areas of the valley.  While just a hunch, Think Majesties could actually do better than Queens here. ..though maybe not quite as well as Royals seem to do.

[96720]

@Desertlife4me I think it’s great that you put this list together just need to make modifications as people respond!!! Phoenix rupicola wasn’t on the list and it shouldn’t be grouped with the other Phoenix palms mine took some sun burn this summer even though most summers it has been fine ! Also didn’t see Livistonia mariae on the list or Livistonia nitida!!

[Desertlife4me]

I am taking notes, I'll update the worksheet

[Desertlife4me]

worksheet updated. 

desert palms.xlsx

[96720]

There are people that have been on here a lot longer than me there is a guy in I think north phoenix that grows a lot of Attaleas 

[Arizona transplant]

Im hoping AZ palm growers can help me ID these palms. Im not creating a new thread because I think a few of you have seen these exact trees.

I believe this first is a pseudophoenix sargenti. Is that correct?

 

 

[Arizona transplant]

And the second I dont know where to start. Initially I thought it could be a sabal but when I zoom in it looks like the petioles have spines.

[96720]

The first one is a royal!  

[Tom in Tucson]

The second looks like a Brahea. Possibly B. brandegeei.

Hi 78°, Lo 48°

[Silas_Sancona]

1 hour ago, Tom in Tucson said:

The second looks like a Brahea. Possibly B. brandegeei.

Hi 78°, Lo 48°

I'll have to ask again when visiting but pretty sure it is brandegeei  


..These are all specimens the owner of Treeland Nursery has in his collection..

[Bennie]

Hello, 

Wondering anyone might know what’s going on with my Bismarkia Palm. I put it in the ground in late May and it was doing amazingly, adding multiple new full fronds. During the summer months I had it on irrigation line with multiple gallons of water in the morning and late in day. 
 

Fast forward to today, the tree is much bigger than it was in late May, but two of the fronds have gotten very skinny and almost “shriveled”. They are not the lowest handing fronds. I am not 100% sure, but it seemed like they returned to normal when I did a deep water, and then once again returned to this state. 
 

Anybody experienced this before? The first photo is from when I put it in the ground, and additional photos are today. 

[aztropic]

Are the dead fronds the newest fronds? Maybe give them a tug,and see if they pull out due to crown rot. Try treating with daconil, hydrogen peroxide,or another anti fungal. Any new, unopened, spears on deck? Concerning situation,but fortunately,an easy palm to replace here if things go south.

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[96720]

Bizzies are funny palms those look like pretty new fronds like aztropic said is the heart still green and growing that is the most important thing if it’s good and pouring hydrogen peroxide in it if it doesn’t foam up things should be good just cut those fronds off!!

[Bennie]

The strange thing is that when I gave it a deep water, the fronds in question went back to normal size and color (pretty sure on color). Was curious if this was anything you guys had seen before?

Edited December 30, 2023 by Bennie

[aztropic]

Once the fronds dry out,they NEVER revive. Maybe it was wishful thinking. Hopefully,there are some new green frond spikes still ready to grow. This is a species that produces multiple fronds at a time,so there is always a chance that it just continues growing like nothing ever happened,but still should be checked out for a crown rot.

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona

[Bennie]

I think you’re right. They are dried out and not coming back. They do not pull out of the plant, and there are still new 3 new fronds ready to grow, I assume in the spring and not during the winter time. Thanks for your input 

[Brad Mondel]

Some palms at a local nursery 

 

[Bennie]

On 1/3/2024 at 1:05 PM, Brad Mondel said:

Some palms at a local nursery 

 

Which Nursery is this?

[Brad Mondel]

9 hours ago, Bennie said:

Which Nursery is this?

Whitfill Nursery on E southern Ave.

[tdl480]

Need the expertise of this group for my mule palm.  Currently the tree is a bit over 6 feet and last year after a storm it was leaning over quite a bit.  I staked it and it seemed like it was growing well.  When I went to inspect it today I noticed that it was pretty wobbly.  There was a little bit of mulch around the base and when I pulled it back I noticed that the actual roots were growing from a fairly narrow area (see pic).  At its widest the trunk is 12 -14 inches but the actual root area looks like maybe 4 -6 inches.   You can see the gap between the base and soil.    I know i dont want to add a mound of dirt around it, but do I add maybe an inch of soil around the base to encourage the root area expand?  BTW, gap between base of palm and ground is maybe 1/2 inch.