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19 F (-7.222 C) at the Big H

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DoomsDave

The Huntington took a hard hit.

As soon as I saw the oleaners in the parking lot that had been frozen, I knew they'd gotten down to at least 18-19 F for at least one night.

The big palms had little or no damage, but these recently planted Caryota gigas were a different story.

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DoomsDave

And more:

The new spears are still cool, and full of moisture, though there's no telling yet what might happen to them.

Sigh.

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Tad

a little tony chacheres makes all fried things taste great!!!!! ouch thats a painfulthing to see, what is the cycad next to those crispy critters?

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DoomsDave

tad:

Looks like a Dioon spinulosum of some kind.  Gadzooks, the Big H took a hard hit!

dave

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Palmarum

Like watching a horror movie in slow motion. Those photos stir up many of nightmares here in South Florida.

Ryan

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Adam from Oz

(Dave from So-Cal @ Jan. 20 2007,21:32)

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The big palms had little or no damage,

This has me flummoxed, dave!

Maybe the damage on the big boys will take some time to become apparent?

It is over now, isn't it?

Cheers,

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Adam

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BS Man about Palms

Adam,

3-5 meters up it can be 1-2degrees Celsieus warmer.  Helps a lot.

Dave any pics to post of the Cycads behind the conservatory? That was even scarier damage.

BUT, better yet, any pics to post of what was growing just fine 30 feet away, IN the conservatory?  ???  :D

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Zac in NC

Tad- I agree with Dave, its a Dioon, but maybe not spinulosum, It looks sorta like meijae to me, but I could be wrong.

Dave- That is just awful looking. Those poor Caryotas.

Zac

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Gtlevine

Dave, how does my favorite xButyagrus look? It would have been good if the frost burned the larger Caryotas down next to the Butyagrus, I hate to see that palm get crowded out.

Gary

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NM_PALM_BOY
As soon as I saw the oleaners in the parking lot that had been frozen, I knew they'd gotten down to at least 18-19 F for at least one night.

Big D!

If the Oleanders are defoliating, we are in deep doo-doo! My neighbor had one on the side of his house (fairly well protected, but not "safe") and it takes about 10F or lower before it is toast....comes back every year, though. Even when it gets to 5F.

Doug

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Zac in NC

Doug- Some Oleander cultivars are more tender than others. I have a pink one I got from a friend in Virginia Beach that has seen 17 F or lower( this winter so far) in the open with just the very tip buds damaged. There is one here about 3 miles from here planted up against a house that is already completely died to the ground, as it has the past 4 years I have been watching it. That one never blooms, but I anticipate mine will. Not all Oleanders are created equal.

Zac

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NM_PALM_BOY
Not all Oleanders are created equal.

Zac,

To quote the late, great Johnny Carson, "I did not know that!"

Doug

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BS Man about Palms

(Gtlevine @ Jan. 21 2007,08:09)

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Dave, how does my favorite xButyagrus look? It would have been good if the frost burned the larger Caryotas down next to the Butyagrus, I hate to see that palm get crowded out.

Gary

Gary- Didn't miss a beat, looks great!

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Zac in NC

(NM_PALM_BOY @ Jan. 21 2007,11:48)

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Not all Oleanders are created equal.

Zac,

To quote the late, great Johnny Carson, "I did not know that!"

Doug

And now you know that. There are even some Tony Avent sells at Plant Delights, www.plantdelights.com that survived a freeze in Raleigh where the temperature went to -8 or -9 F. There is a hardy red, pink and Double Yellow I believe.

Zac

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Gtlevine

(BS, Man about Palms @ Jan. 21 2007,11:48)

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(Gtlevine @ Jan. 21 2007,08:09)

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Dave, how does my favorite xButyagrus look? It would have been good if the frost burned the larger Caryotas down next to the Butyagrus, I hate to see that palm get crowded out.

Gary

Gary- Didn't miss a beat, looks great!

Bill, did you get any pics of the xButyagrus?

Gary

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BS Man about Palms

(Gtlevine @ Jan. 21 2007,11:25)

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(BS @ Man about Palms,Jan. 21 2007,11:48)

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(Gtlevine @ Jan. 21 2007,08:09)

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Dave, how does my favorite xButyagrus look? It would have been good if the frost burned the larger Caryotas down next to the Butyagrus, I hate to see that palm get crowded out.

Gary

Gary- Didn't miss a beat, looks great!

Bill, did you get any pics of the xButyagrus?

Gary

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happ

I was in Pasadena this morning @ the old Huntington Hotel/Ritz Carlton near the Big H.  They aren't as adventurous as the Huntington Gardens but it appears over story or sheer size protected the king palms :

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JEFF from Trabuco Canyon CA

Here is some more pictures of damage at the Huntington.

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Tad

the horridus,the horridus.....(apologies to joseph conrad)

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Alan_Tampa

Joseph Conrad, that's "Lord Jim" right?

Alan

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Tad

heart of darkness, but yes lord jim as well

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MattyB

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SubTropicRay

Yikes.  Some of those Caryota may be toast.

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Tyrone

Just horrible stuff. Some of those cycads may be alright in time. I wish I could say the same for the Caryota's. They were probably just getting some speed up. May you guys never ever see that sort of rubbish weather again.

regards

Tyrone

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Cristóbal

in this last week i drive in all parts of tijuana, to san diego california and also to ensenada baja california méxico 90 miles -150 kilometers south of san diego. of what i see of the freeze it was very bad in san diego, less in tijuana - only in east part by highway to go to tecate - and no freeze in any place i see in ensenada. it surpise to me i have low temperature in the nights of freeze of only 41 F - 5 C but in many parts of san diego and even by the ocean was much  colder.

may be the wall the american immigration put on the border also stop some of the cold air ! :P

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Howeadypsis

Is Huntington the one  in San Marino? I just googled as Im not familiar with Huntington and I got to their website, and all is green!

Huntington Palm Garden

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gsn

Larry,

I doubt they would be anxious to update there site with pictures of burned frozen palms! ???  

It really hurts to look at those pics!

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edbrown_3

How did the Jubeaopsis make out there?  

There is a report of a Jubeopsis caffra being killed by a simular freeze in the 1950's? .

Best regards,

Ed

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MattyB

the giant Jubeopsis caffra looks unscathed.  All the palms on the lower lawn look fine because either they are so big or the lawns gentle slope allowed for better conditions.  D. slick willy was burned a little and so was Clinostigma savoryanum but not too bad.

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paulgila

i believe i have some pics of the j.caffra--i will add them when i have time...

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Fred Zone 10A
D. slick willy was burned a little

Matty,

Which of the palms at the Huntington is the Dypsis "Slick Willy"?

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Alberto

Quote from huntington site:

A cold winter in 1913, with temperatures dropping to 22 degrees Farenheit, destroyed half of the collection. Most of the lost trees were young or newly planted out, which made them especially vulnerable to the freeze. More young specimens succumbed during the severe winter of 1922, and Hertrich began to doubt that an outdoor collection of palms was suitable for the region's climate. But the trees fared better in subsequent freezes, and by the late 1930s, after searching for palms in California, Europe, and Japan, Hertrich had a thriving collection of 450 plants, representing 148 species.

Which speciesw are all this 148 species.Where can I find a list?

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Fred Zone 10A

Alberto,

I'm not aware of any published list of the palm species at the Huntington.  However, someone has posted photos of many of the palms to a website, whose link is below:

Palms of the Huntington Website

Unfortunately, the photos don't bear captions.

Both elHoagie and I live nearby and are familiar with the palm collection.  If you are unable to identify a palm from the photo, maybe we can help.

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MattyB

(Fred Zone 10A @ Jan. 22 2007,13:18)

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D. slick willy was burned a little

Matty,

Which of the palms at the Huntington is the Dypsis "Slick Willy"?

Fred, I believe that we're calling this the D. sp. 'slick willy'.

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Fred Zone 10A
Fred, I believe that we're calling this the D. sp. 'slick willy'.

Matt,

Ah, yes, the mystery Dypsis.  I've sort of "adopted" this lovely palm, which has no tag, and often remove the tree leaves that clog its crown.

If this is Dypsis "Slick Willy", then it will grow in my garden, too.

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MattyB

Yes, very slowly.  It has affinities to D. onilahensis upright form (I think some Fl. growers still call it that) but it's about 5 times slower.  It splits like D. decipiens instead of suckering like D. onily.

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Morabeza

Dave, Willie Wonka might have a keen interest in those Caryota gigas!

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