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My B. madagascarensis has finally acclimated to SoCal, after 3 years, and is looking quite upright.

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MattyB

The B. alfredii ain't looking half bad either.

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grant b.

good looking trees, fully exposed on your hillside. :greenthumb:

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Stevetoad

how about your b. windows :mrlooney:

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MattyB

B. windows is worm food. I took it out in favor of P. sunkah! :yay:

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Firepalm

Looking good Matt! Cool to see the differences between the two types. I'm starting to notice that they love to hold onto leaves forever sort of like parajubaea. Do you have any special fertilizer regimen for the B. mad? I've noticed that mine will tend to yellow more than the Alfredii if I don't give it some blood meal once in awhile.

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grant b.

speaking of blood meal, where is a cheap source for buying this stuff in bulk in north county?

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John Case

alfredii left and mad right?

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Pedro 65

My B. madagascarensis has finally acclimated to SoCal, after 3 years, and is looking quite upright.

Lookn Great Matty, B mad gets more upright and better and better looking with age, I agree, havnt posted a shot in a while so went for a walk and took 1 of our "favourite" of the Beccariophoenix .. B mad..Pete :)

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Phoenikakias

What is the objective of all those stones around BM?

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Hammer

My B. madagascarensis has finally acclimated to SoCal, after 3 years, and is looking quite upright.

Lookn Great Matty, B mad gets more upright and better and better looking with age, I agree, havnt posted a shot in a while so went for a walk and took 1 of our "favourite" of the Beccariophoenix .. B mad..Pete :)

How old is this palm?

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quaman58

Great looking palms Matt. I think I remember that the madagascariensis is from Florida, right? How about the Alfredii, is that all California grown?

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Stevetoad

Great looking palms Matt!

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MattyB

I'm on my phone, so sorry for my brevity. unlike windows, these require no blood meal/iron and I fertilize lightly a couple times a year. The B. Mad was a florida plant, 30 gallon, about the same size, but it's gone through a whole tightening, acclimating process over the years and now most, if not all, of the leaves are ca produced and not sunburnt/humidity burnt. The B. Alfred came from matt p via Ortanique as a one leafer.

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Jastin

Those forehead wrinkles on your avatar are really getting dark Matt. Oh yeah, great palms. Good to see they finally acclimated!

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Tassie_Troy1971

Matty the alfredii is huge ! i have one that is outdoors in a pot should plant it out and see it it actually grows ??

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Dr. George

Fortunately, we have a spot where we can grow B. windows:

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MattyB

Hey, what the heck happened to my avatar? I got vandalized! deano!

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PALM MOD

Hey, what the heck happened to my avatar? I got vandalized! deano!

Not I - it looks like an accurate representation to me, complete with "sausage fingers."

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Mandrew968

Hey, what the heck happened to my avatar? I got vandalized! deano!

Not I - it looks like an accurate representation to me, complete with "sausage fingers."

:floor::floor::floor: Love the sausage fingers and the black lines! Matty--great Idea placing these two palms next to each other. You can really see the discrepancies of what many feel are very similar looking plants. After reading that alfredii gets as large as the windows form, I am very excited for mine to have 5 feet of trunk. Great stuff, Matty.

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Halekuma

Excuse me my ignorance guys, but I always thought the "madagascariensis form" was the windows one... The "no windows" beccariophoenix isnt called "eastern form" anymore???

Hmm, I bought 2 years ago 2 madagascariensis that are still showing windows (quite small yet), they are the form that has problems with nutrients (are dark yellow due to lack of fertilizer while alfredii are dark green) but again, is that problem on "eastern form" too?? Did not have the "eastern form" the same cold hardiness as "windows" but slower growth??

I will try to upload a pic of my "madagascariensis" if you are so kind to help me there...

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Halekuma

This is the "madagascariensis" Im talking about (with alfredii to the left for comparative)...

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John Case

This is the "madagascariensis" Im talking about (with alfredii to the left for comparative)...

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Jaime,

The plant that you have IDed as a madagascariensis is a B. "Windowpane". I had the mads and they did not show any windows at that size and had gone pinnate as a ver young plant.

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Halekuma

thanks John!! do you have any idea if "no windows" is more cold hardy than "windowpane"?

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Hammer

Excuse me my ignorance guys, but I always thought the "madagascariensis form" was the windows one... The "no windows" beccariophoenix isnt called "eastern form"

For the time being, B. Madagascariensis is officially the "no windows" form. The "windows" form is Beccariophoenix sp. "windows". Rumor has it that a new name official name for the a"windows" form is going to be released soon. That's the latest.

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quaman58

thanks John!! do you have any idea if "no windows" is more cold hardy than "windowpane"?

A little bit, I would say. The "windows" version seems perhaps 4-5 degrees F less cold tolerant than either B. mad or alfredii.

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Phoenikakias

Excuse me my ignorance guys, but I always thought the "madagascariensis form" was the windows one... The "no windows" beccariophoenix isnt called "eastern form" anymore???

Hmm, I bought 2 years ago 2 madagascariensis that are still showing windows (quite small yet), they are the form that has problems with nutrients (are dark yellow due to lack of fertilizer while alfredii are dark green) but again, is that problem on "eastern form" too?? Did not have the "eastern form" the same cold hardiness as "windows" but slower growth??

I will try to upload a pic of my "madagascariensis" if you are so kind to help me there...

Jaime, have you ever tried Kieserite to solve the problem? I think it's usefull in the USA, expecially in FL, because it's an acid source of Mg.

I think it could have some effect on the avalaibility of the iron in the soil too, indeed the iron is more available in acid soil and the SO4-2 ion acidify the soil. However In this case the acid power of the SO4-2 is in contrast with the alkaline power of the Mg, so the acidification power of the MgSO4 could be very small or nonexistent.

So at the end, the usefulness of the MgSO4 depend on the tipe of your soil, if it have lack of Mg the MgSO4 could be a good way to solve chlorosis and Mg deficiency, but if your soil don't have Mg deficiency the FeSO4 (or others Fe complex) is better then.

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Alberto

My B. madagascarensis has finally acclimated to SoCal, after 3 years, and is looking quite upright.

Lookn Great Matty, B mad gets more upright and better and better looking with age, I agree, havnt posted a shot in a while so went for a walk and took 1 of our "favourite" of the Beccariophoenix .. B mad..Pete :)

How old is this palm?

Nice Beccariophoenix! I also would like to know how old is your B. alfredii to compare the growth rate with my palms .

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Halekuma

Excuse me my ignorance guys, but I always thought the "madagascariensis form" was the windows one... The "no windows" beccariophoenix isnt called "eastern form" anymore???

Hmm, I bought 2 years ago 2 madagascariensis that are still showing windows (quite small yet), they are the form that has problems with nutrients (are dark yellow due to lack of fertilizer while alfredii are dark green) but again, is that problem on "eastern form" too?? Did not have the "eastern form" the same cold hardiness as "windows" but slower growth??

I will try to upload a pic of my "madagascariensis" if you are so kind to help me there...

Jaime, have you ever tried Kieserite to solve the problem? I think it's usefull in the USA, expecially in FL, because it's an acid source of Mg.

I think it could have some effect on the avalaibility of the iron in the soil too, indeed the iron is more available in acid soil and the SO4-2 ion acidify the soil. However In this case the acid power of the SO4-2 is in contrast with the alkaline power of the Mg, so the acidification power of the MgSO4 could be very small or nonexistent.

So at the end, the usefulness of the MgSO4 depend on the tipe of your soil, if it have lack of Mg the MgSO4 could be a good way to solve chlorosis and Mg deficiency, but if your soil don't have Mg deficiency the FeSO4 (or others Fe complex) is better then.

Hi, thanks for you help...

I actually only use liquid commercial fertilizer 4 times yearly (from may to november), I think it really improves then... Same thing used to happen with a potted ravenea rivularis (actually, the one that is now in the ground behind both beccariophoenix in the photo...). Now the ravenea has dark green leaves and looks fine in the ground with the same 4 applications of fertilizer per year...

To tell you the truth, I have a potted chambeyronia "houilou" that has pretty much the same problem as that beccariophoenix because of lack of fertilizer... Other chambeyronias (hookeri, normal macrocarpa and watermelon, look great)...

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Alberto

My B. madagascarensis has finally acclimated to SoCal, after 3 years, and is looking quite upright.

Lookn Great Matty, B mad gets more upright and better and better looking with age, I agree, havnt posted a shot in a while so went for a walk and took 1 of our "favourite" of the Beccariophoenix .. B mad..Pete :)

How old is this palm?

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MattyB

My B. madagascarensis has finally acclimated to SoCal, after 3 years, and is looking quite upright.

Lookn Great Matty, B mad gets more upright and better and better looking with age, I agree, havnt posted a shot in a while so went for a walk and took 1 of our "favourite" of the Beccariophoenix .. B mad..Pete :)

How old is this palm?

Nice Beccariophoenix! I also would like to know how old is your B. alfredii to compare the growth rate with my palms .

The B. alfredii is 5 years old, from a 1 leaf seedling. It only gets watered once a week and fertilizer once a year. I think it would be faster if I could get more water to it.

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Alberto

Thanks!!!

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