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My two favorite Copernicias


Mandrew968

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The first palm is actually the first planting from when we bought our place back in 2010. Copernicia gigas.

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This second palm(not really second to any palm) I planted with the birth of my first son. Copernicia fallaensis. Much faster than gigas and already a strong blue coming through her leaves.

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Really stunning palms! Our tiny Copernicia fallaensis was planted out in full shade as one of the first palms we planted in Puerto Rico. It had only one or two strap leaves and it was the dry season when planting isn't really recommended. So I thought it should be in an area that was more moist. In maybe 6 months we moved it to more sun and then weeds and vines covered it up including the 3 ft. tall PVC pipe. We rediscovered it eventually and finally the poor palm is having a real chance in the sun! The ones at Fairchild inspired me to try to grow this one and maybe my grandchildren will get to see it trunk! Thanks for sharing your photos.

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Cindy Adair

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Wow, those are really cool!

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Nice palms, Andrew..... Copernicia fallaensis is one of my favoirites, love the one that i have.

Rusty

Rusty Bell

Pine Island - the Ex-Pat part of Lee County, Fl , USA

Zone 10b, life in the subs!...except when it isn't....

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Andrew, are theses palms you started from seed, or grew on from smaller plants?

Rusty Bell

Pine Island - the Ex-Pat part of Lee County, Fl , USA

Zone 10b, life in the subs!...except when it isn't....

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I got them both in 3 gallon pots and the color was already there. Sometimes that blue can manifest as a palm matures, but with as much cross-pollination as there is with Copernicia, I didn't wanna risk it. I recently planted a smaller 3 gallon palm at my Dad's. All 3 palms look fairly similar. I have 3 more fallaensis, but they are small and have not gone palmate of developed any blue yet. This is the King of all palms, as far as I am concerned.

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Looking good Andrew ! I love Copernicia. I'm trying out a small copernicia baileyana at my place. Other than that I only have alba...well 2 albas now :)

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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Copernicia is an amazing genus. I have alba, baileyana, berteroana, gigas, ekmanii, macroglossa, hospita, and rigida. Tomorrow I am planting a glabrescens at the in-law's place along with a few coccothrinax--another great genus that I will have to post photos of my favorites. I hope your baileyana grows well, Steve. Teach your boy how nice they are too :)

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Mandrew you should also get Copernicia cowelii just to complete your collection- hehe Doesn't take too much real estate amyway since it is the smallest of the species.

it's a good thing that Copernicia fallaensis is fater than the others in it's Genera. Most of the others are extremely slow!

Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

http://freakofnaturezzz.blogspot.com/

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Andrew, i'm envious of all the Copernicias you have....i only have what i hope is fallaensis, and alba, xTextillis, and macroglossa....

...here is a pic of the fallaensis, beverage bottle for scale, taken earlier this morning.

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Rusty Bell

Pine Island - the Ex-Pat part of Lee County, Fl , USA

Zone 10b, life in the subs!...except when it isn't....

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Rusty, that's pretty sweet looking!

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Yes indeed! Haus, Rusty--good job.

This is the smallest of the 3 that I have planted.

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Rusty, that's pretty sweet looking!

And positively a fallaensis, Rusty.

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Rusty, that's pretty sweet looking!

And positively a fallaensis, Rusty.

Thanks to you both...have to say it is my all time favorite, and not a slug in growth by any stretch.......

...one of the reason for hedging the bet on ID is the promiscuity of the genus…

............as an example, I purchased what looked to be a nice C. baileyana, only to have it turn blue as can be…..i know the grower obtained the seed from the mother who was a Bailey, but of course who can say the source of the pollen?????

But I am not disappointed at all…a blue C. baileyana?????? No complaints here!

Rusty

Rusty Bell

Pine Island - the Ex-Pat part of Lee County, Fl , USA

Zone 10b, life in the subs!...except when it isn't....

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Copernicia is an amazing genus. I have alba, baileyana, berteroana, gigas, ekmanii, macroglossa, hospita, and rigida. Tomorrow I am planting a glabrescens at the in-law's place along with a few coccothrinax--another great genus that I will have to post photos of my favorites. I hope your baileyana grows well, Steve. Teach your boy how nice they are too :)

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Rusty, that's pretty sweet looking!

And positively a fallaensis, Rusty.

Thanks to you both...have to say it is my all time favorite, and not a slug in growth by any stretch.......

...one of the reason for hedging the bet on ID is the promiscuity of the genus…

............as an example, I purchased what looked to be a nice C. baileyana, only to have it turn blue as can be…..i know the grower obtained the seed from the mother who was a Bailey, but of course who can say the source of the pollen?????

But I am not disappointed at all…a blue C. baileyana?????? No complaints here!

Rusty

Rusty, a blue baileyana is better than a green one--and that doesn't mean it's not a pure baileyana either. Remember hospita can be green too...

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Heres mine. I noticed that the petioles have been getting really long lately even if the leaf size is just about the same.

Can't wait for this to get like Rusty's plant.

I notice that Rusty's (like the ones I saw in Fairchild's) are more silver than blue.

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Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

http://freakofnaturezzz.blogspot.com/

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Somewhere in the background on the left, there is a C. Baileyana it's leaf tips are yellowing a bit.

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Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

http://freakofnaturezzz.blogspot.com/

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Nice looking place you have Gene...that is a beautiful blue Copernicia!

Rusty

Rusty Bell

Pine Island - the Ex-Pat part of Lee County, Fl , USA

Zone 10b, life in the subs!...except when it isn't....

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THanks rusty. How old is your C. fallaensis? I notice that the base is really big already and the leaves are much fuller and rounder than the others shown on this post.

How tall is the palm and whats the diameter of the leaves?

Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

http://freakofnaturezzz.blogspot.com/

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I can attest to the speed of growth of C. fallaensis. Below are two individuals planted in the ground at our field nursery seven years ago at 2-2.5' tall:

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And this one was the size of yours, Gene, when I first started working at the UF Tropical Research & Education Center in Homestead back in 1997:

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Jody

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Sweet Jody!!

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Thank you for that Jody! Very encouraging!

This is the kind of information I crave.

Now do you have the same kind of comparative photos for Copernicia cowelii??? :mrlooney:

Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

http://freakofnaturezzz.blogspot.com/

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Thank you for that Jody! Very encouraging!

This is the kind of information I crave.

Now do you have the same kind of comparative photos for Copernicia cowelii??? :mrlooney:

Not a chance, Gene!

Jody

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Gorgeous palms.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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While we are on the subject of copernicias at TREC, I thought I would also share some "before" and "after" photos of the Bailey palm grove. This first group of photos was taken a couple years ago:

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And these two photos were taken a couple months ago after we successfully relocated all 11 palms to their new location (with no root pruning because there wasn't time) to make room for a new building:

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These palms were smaller than the C. fallaensis when I first started working there in 1997. Needless to day, they are not as slow as you might think. But there is definitely a difference in growth rate between individuals based on light and other environmental conditions.

Jody

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:drool:

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Jody, I was curious how tolerant are the Baileys of beach conditions. I have C.alba growing very well about 150m from the beach and it is doing very well and seems to be gaining speed.

El Oasis - beach garden, distinct wet/dry season ,year round 20-38c

Las Heliconias - jungle garden ,800m elevation,150+ inches rainfall, year round 15-28c

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Scott, I don't know anyone who has a Bailey planted in beach conditions, but I do know that the large ones at Fairchild and Montgomery are in the lowlands where the water table is very high and the water there is brackish. So they should be able to tolerate some salt. They also can tolerate a lot of wind, but some of the leaves may get a bit tattered during storms. I would say it's worth a try. Can you find those in Guatemala?

Jody

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Jody, sadly there are no Baileys or any other Copernicias for sale here in Guatemala,I will have to order seeds and begin from scratch, I hope I live long enough to see a trunking specimen at my beach place.I also have C.macrglossa and C.glabrescens that have been in the ground now for eleven years - not speedy to say the least.

El Oasis - beach garden, distinct wet/dry season ,year round 20-38c

Las Heliconias - jungle garden ,800m elevation,150+ inches rainfall, year round 15-28c

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My father's neighbors have a place in the Keys. One time it flooded down there and all his palms got inundated with sea water. The baileyana survived, so I would say their salt tolerance is very high. Also of note was Pseudophoenix and Hyphaene--these did actually better than the Copernicia as far as salt tolerance goes.

Jody--my Coperncia ekmanii is really starting to turn silver! I looked at it today and it's also one of my fastest Copernicias--It's racing the Coccothrinax montana :)

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I know we all love photos so here is my Copernicia ekmanii. It took a good hit(50%) with our very mild winter(39F), this year, but is coming back nicely. This may be one of my favorites some day...

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Very nice, Andrew! I'm glad it came back after the winter. Oddly enough, mine didn't have any problems over the past few winters, including two years ago when it got down to 28F at my house two nights in a row.

Jody

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