Clinosperma macrocarpa (Lavoixia macrocarpa)

[LJG]

Does anyone want to guess what this is?

[Kostas]

Lavoixia macrocarpa Well done!!!!!!!

Did it germinate naturally or did you used John's technique,removing the micropyle cover?

[fan palm]

also looks alot like Dictyocaryum lamarckianum

[Josh76]

It's a germinating palm seed

[Kostas]

Trust me,he wouldnt be doing like that for a Dictyocaryum

[Mandrew968]

There's no telling what Len has got his hands on now... I am tuned in though.

[MattyB]

I'll buy it right now for $300. What is it?

[pogobob]

If it is what I thinks it is, Len will be my age when it starts to trunk!

[richnorm]

Think the seed is too round for Clinosperma macrocarpa. Not Dictyocaryum either. But to answer your question: No I do not want to guess, I want to know, so don't keep us in suspenders!

[LJG]

Easy one for NewCal nuts. Kostas got it right. Thanks to John's documentation in another thread, Matt and I were able to get 10/20 to germinate. Once we get the spikes to open I will start a thread to detail things to hopefully provide documentation to better the chance of germination and survival of this very rare species. Matt delidded them and found some very interesting things that might explain why this seed is so hard to germinate and when it does, to keep it from rotting out.

[LJG]

If it is what I thinks it is, Len will be my age when it starts to trunk!

Bob, 1- I hope I live that long 2- I am sure these will be just as difficult to cultivate as other tough to grow NewCals, so I hope to get at least one to grow in the garden.

[Pedro 65]

10 out of 20.... WOW congratulations men..Rainwater only ( never shitty chlorinated town water) and unimpeded fast drainage from now on....All the Best with continued success. . Whacko, record breakers.. Very Happy for you Len and great work delidding Matty.....Excitement plus...,how long ago did you get the seed? Im applauding Loudly for this phenomenal achievment... Pete..

[Dypsisdean]

When they are a good five gal size, I'll take three of them.

[Matt in SD]

Ahhh, the cats out of the bag. Good thing, I don't like keeping secrets. The de-lidding was a challenge on these, will give more details when Len's ready to put a whole story together. I'm very happy with 10/20 to the roots and spike stage. There were actually about 13 that germinated, but a couple rotted very early, and one rotted a few weeks after germinating. And there were 2 seeds out of the 20 that were rotten to begin with.

Matt

[Pedro 65]

Ahhh, the cats out of the bag. Good thing, I don't like keeping secrets. The de-lidding was a challenge on these, will give more details when Len's ready to put a whole story together. I'm very happy with 10/20 to the roots and spike stage. There were actually about 13 that germinated, but a couple rotted very early, and one rotted a few weeks after germinating. And there were 2 seeds out of the 20 that were rotten to begin with.

Matt

Fantastic Work Matt ( sorry i added the y to yr name on my last post) You and Len are Phenomenal Record breakers...Masterful Stuff, New C Palms excite me the most..Even with a very cracked skull and brain, im smiling from ear to ear with this thread..What a fantastic future outlook for this Palm..Intense inspiration and happiness, thanks....yeeha.. ps ..as I wrote above, rainwater only and fast unimpeded drainage from now on..Plus 1 granule of Nutricoat for now..

[richnorm]

Ah, wrong again but very pleased about it. Maybe now more seed will become available... Well done!

[chakoro]

Wow that is fantastic you both must have been over the moon when you saw the first signs of germination well done.

[Matt in SD]

Pete,

Len's been pounding away at the rare/tough New Cal stuff for a few years now and has a great setup for getting these from the germinated stage through to a few leaves (including perfect water). And I've been de-lidding quite a bit of stuff including lots of tougher New Cal plants. We got some of the bugs worked out on "ho hum" stuff like old Clinosperma lanuginosa, and various Basselinia seeds before cutting into these guys So we're hoping our collaboration on this will pay off.

I was actually more excited when I saw roots and spikes than when they first started moving. It wasn't until that point that I felt confident that they had a fighting chance.

Matt

[Pedro 65]

Pete,

Len's been pounding away at the rare/tough New Cal stuff for a few years now and has a great setup for getting these from the germinated stage through to a few leaves (including perfect water). And I've been de-lidding quite a bit of stuff including lots of tougher New Cal plants. We got some of the bugs worked out on "ho hum" stuff like old Clinosperma lanuginosa, and various Basselinia seeds before cutting into these guys So we're hoping our collaboration on this will pay off.

I was actually more excited when I saw roots and spikes than when they first started moving. It wasn't until that point that I felt confident that they had a fighting chance.

Matt

Thanks Matt, I will be picking up Len at the Airport, he has 1 for me in his top pocket... Great News Matt and Len, Well Done you "Big Achievers".

[Gtlevine]

LOL! Good luck Pedro, I'm one of Lens good friends and I won't get a sniff of one of those either.

[LJG]

Pete, Matt is so good at delidding now that when I gave him some B faverii's that had not germinated in almost a year he took a seed and delidded with his finger. He is getting cocky. However it did work

Gary, if I can get a few to 1 gallon you got one. You know that.

FYI, I know someone that got a few to germinate the old fashioned way. Hopefully someday he will post about it because that is the bad ass way. Not many people can pull that off!

[BS Man about Palms]

I think this is the BEST place to drop my 15,000th post! WELL DONE Len and Matt!! (As soon as I saw the seed I knew... due to its unique look AND why you would post the news!, I just couldn't log into Palmtalk.. )

Anyway, glad to see the New caledonia palms getting a firmer foothold OUT of New Caledonia!

Would love one if they ever reach size, but I suspect they are spoken for..

Again GREAT work Guys... AND another tip of the Hat to JOHN for pioneering this and posting about it.

Oops, miscount early in the morning 10 more posts to 15,000 the sentiment was there..

Edited June 23, 2012 by BS Man about Palms

[richnorm]

I thought they were more like an almond shape but clearly not. Was there a reason for leaving the fruit on? My instinct would be to clean thoroughly before attempting delidding which perhaps explains my total failure with this technique! They pop then flop.

[LJG]

I thought they were more like an almond shape but clearly not. Was there a reason for leaving the fruit on? My instinct would be to clean thoroughly before attempting delidding which perhaps explains my total failure with this technique! They pop then flop.

Once you hold one you will understand why. Also, Matt said delidding gave him another hypothesis on why they don't germinate easily. Have you seen the escape in the Shawshank Redemption? For the plant to germinate it is kind of like that! Once we put up a detailed thread I think you will get a great idea. We hope that others will buy seed from RPS and have great success. Maybe even improve the technique like Matt had from John's post.

[Matt in SD]

There is no fruit on those seeds. That is how they came from RPS and the fruit was already removed. The seed coat is just heavily ridged.

Matt

[MattyB]

Matt, any luck delidding those Raphia ruenzorica?

[Matt in SD]

Hi Matt,

Those Raphia were all rotten. Bummer.

[richnorm]

I thought they were more like an almond shape but clearly not. Was there a reason for leaving the fruit on? My instinct would be to clean thoroughly before attempting delidding which perhaps explains my total failure with this technique! They pop then flop.

Once you hold one you will understand why. Also, Matt said delidding gave him another hypothesis on why they don't germinate easily. Have you seen the escape in the Shawshank Redemption? For the plant to germinate it is kind of like that! Once we put up a detailed thread I think you will get a great idea. We hope that others will buy seed from RPS and have great success. Maybe even improve the technique like Matt had from John's post.

Would be good to publish in Palms too. Sadly just discovered this species is not permitted here - just in case it becomes weedy!

[Funkthulhu]

The internet appears to be useless here.

Is this Lavoixia macrocarpa, or has it been moved to the Genus Clinosperma as some sites suggest? (contradictory photos suggest it doesn't look like Clinosperma seed/nut)

Thanks

-Erik

[CardiffPalmNut]

I think this is the BEST place to drop my 15,000th post! WELL DONE Len and Matt!! (As soon as I saw the seed I knew... due to its unique look AND why you would post the news!, I just couldn't log into Palmtalk.. )

Anyway, glad to see the New caledonia palms getting a firmer foothold OUT of New Caledonia!

Would love one if they ever reach size, but I suspect they are spoken for..

Again GREAT work Guys... AND another tip of the Hat to JOHN for pioneering this and posting about it.

Bill - you were just confused post's weeds hey they are all the same. Right?

Oops, miscount early in the morning 10 more posts to 15,000 the sentiment was there..

[CardiffPalmNut]

I think this is the BEST place to drop my 15,000th post! WELL DONE Len and Matt!! (As soon as I saw the seed I knew... due to its unique look AND why you would post the news!, I just couldn't log into Palmtalk.. )

Anyway, glad to see the New caledonia palms getting a firmer foothold OUT of New Caledonia!

Would love one if they ever reach size, but I suspect they are spoken for..

Again GREAT work Guys... AND another tip of the Hat to JOHN for pioneering this and posting about it.

Bill -you were just confused post's weeds hey they are all the Csame. Right?n

Oops, miscount early in the morning 10 more posts to 15,000 the sentiment was there..

Bill -you were just confused post's weeds hey they are all the Csame. Right?n

[richnorm]

The internet appears to be useless here.

Is this Lavoixia macrocarpa, or has it been moved to the Genus Clinosperma as some sites suggest? (contradictory photos suggest it doesn't look like Clinosperma seed/nut)

Thanks

-Erik

Got shifted into Clinosperma a few years ago now. Seed does look quite different to the picture on RPS but perhaps that was heavily cleaned of the ridges.

[Trópico]

Good job, another one for the delidding technique! I'll be looking forward to the thread in detail. I am oblivious as to the difficulty of this but going by some of the responses it looks like something big. Congrats!

[Bags]

I missed this one the first time around. How are they doing? Are you going to put a small one in the ground? All of my planted New Cal seedlings are still doing great. Keep me in mind if you come across any more in the future.

[LJG]

Well, here is the six month update for the plant first shown above. It has grown well in 6 months. You can see some color already in the second pic. The third pic shows the 'NewCal jungle'. Lots of great stuff growing up in that photo.

[Trópico]

Looks unreal! Congrats! What medium are you using to prevent the possibility of damping off?

[MattyB]

Nice work Len! Both you and Matt in SD's greenhouse cultural practices are impeccable. We could learn a lot from y'all.

[Pedro 65]

"Very Legendary Stuff" going on here for the "Palm World", cant believe the growth Len, Bravo.....Brilliant stuff "Legend Len" and "Master Matt is SD " Pete

[realarch]

Quite a nice little forest you've got going there Len and a rare one at that. Everything is looking so healthy too and I bet they get a lot of attention.

Looking forward to future updates.

[LJG]

Thanks Matt, Tim and Pete. Pete, you are too funny.

Frank, thanks for your interest. I use 33% lava rock shipped in from HI, 33% Fox Farms Light Warrior and 33% Fox Farms Ocean Forest. I also control pH more by amending with some Dolomitic Lime. All plants you see in those trays are keep in those trays with their lids on keeping humidity at no lower than 90%. Since I introduced this approach in my culture with my NewCals I have never had to treat with fungicides where in the past I was using Subdue and Cleary's every few weeks. The plants are very healthy so the funguses associated with damping off don't take hold.