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"Very Rare" Everglades Palm ? What is it?

The Silent Seed

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The Silent Seed Grand Master

The Silent Seed

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Something on Ebay sparked me to remember somebody telling me about this "ultra-rare" Everglades Palm - a fan Palm of some kind - can somebody tell me which one it was - if it rings any bells? He said there are only a few left - I'm not sure if he was talking about Paurotis, or some other palm? Thanks

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Palmarum Grand Master

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Ken Johnson

Its the swamp cabbage monster. Only for sale on Oct. 31.

It's a cousin to the Great Pumpkin that Linus is always looking for.

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John in Andalucia Grand Master

John in Andalucia

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From a recent Amazon.com search:

Bird of Paradise (Very Rare) - Strelitzia reginae - 10 Seeds

Thank heavens for the PalmTalk Palm Exchange!

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Ken Johnson Grand Master

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Dang Saint can't we have a little humor here? You provided a good thread to have fun with and you should join us.

BTW we will be happy to tell you that most palms refered to as Everglades do refer to Acceloraphea (and it is FAR from rare) but almost never does it refer to the very rare pumpkin palm.

Saint, Also....Please continue to post but beware we will be watching :rage:

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There used to be two rival sects of alligator worshipers in the Everglades in the late 1930s. One turned the other into a group of Sabal palmettos that still grow there to this day. On Halloween night local kids come to trim their fronds and hear them scream in pain. Then they collect and sell the seeds on eBay.

Oh don't you buy those!!! The palms that grow from them end up sending special signals to fire ants to invade you community or even your home since you'd be growing them indoors. Don't say I didn't warn you!

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Perhaps it is Sabal miamensis.

patrick

Bonita, California (San Diego)

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10 Year Low of 29 degrees

6 Miles from San Diego Bay

Mild winters, somewhat warm summers

10 Miles North of Mexico/USA Border

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PALM MOD

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Mod, please close this thread, for obvious reasons.

Jude,

They are just having a little fun. Roll with it (as I see you are doing). I haven't read any disrespect yet. If I do, it will be deleted. But as Ken said, Halloween is coming, so allow a little light hearted fun. Join in and become "one of the guys." You've been around long enough to be accepted. In fact, getting a little snark fired in your direction could be considered a compliment - as long as it's contained.

So, to you snarksters, don't prove me wrong. Keep it fun please.

Thanks to those of you who help make this a fun and friendly forum.

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Moose Grand Master

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Ken Johnson

Its the swamp cabbage monster. Only for sale on Oct. 31.

It's a cousin to the Great Pumpkin that Linus is always looking for.

Ryan

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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edric Grand Master

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Here's some photos of my Sabl miamiensis, courtesy Eric, the botanist at Leu Gardens, Ed

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virtualpalm Veteran

virtualpalm

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The obvious (non-joking) answer is Acoellorhaphe wrightii, which of course is not rare at all.

Jody

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edric Grand Master

edric

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Perhaps it is Sabal miamensis.

patrick

Yes, and the Sabals bite back, too!

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Here's some photos of my Sabl miamiensis, courtesy Eric, the botanist at Leu Gardens, Ed

Sabal miamiensis is extinct.

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Here's some photos of my Sabl miamiensis, courtesy Eric, the botanist at Leu Gardens, Ed

Sabal miamiensis is extinct.

Kew considers it a synonym for S. etonia, in which case it wouldn't be extinct (in fact, wouldn't even be). However, I believe I've read in the past that it was extinct in the wild, but existed in cultivation.

Tom

Bowie, Maryland, USA - USDA z7a
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Here's some photos of my Sabl miamiensis, courtesy Eric, the botanist at Leu Gardens, Ed

Sabal miamiensis is extinct.

Kew considers it a synonym for S. etonia, in which case it wouldn't be extinct (in fact, wouldn't even be). However, I believe I've read in the past that it was extinct in the wild, but existed in cultivation.

Kew has a lot of names that make no sense. Last I heard from Dr. Larry Noblick is that miamiensis is extinct.

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John in Andalucia

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Kew has a lot of names that make no sense. Last I heard from Dr. Larry Noblick is that miamiensis is extinct.

I think TJ is touching on divided opinions, as to whether S. miamiensis ever existed. Perhaps the words "extinct" and "distinct" have been lumped together? I'm sure Kew does its best in updating in line with latest scientific papers.

So as not to go off-topic, I'll refer you to a thread from October 2009 that explicitly discusses Sabal miamiensis vs. Sabal etonia. The opening comments are where it's at: http://www.palmtalk....showtopic=20501

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edric

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What's is in cultivation as S. miamiensis does not even closely resemble S. etonia, Ed

Sabal miamiensis below

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John in Andalucia

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See this topic for a follow-up: Sabal miamiensis vs. Sabal etonia

Give me a little credit John, don't you think I've read all those threads, Ed

Wasn't aimed at you Ed, but for the benefit of the rest of us. It's an interesting debate!

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edric Grand Master

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See this topic for a follow-up: Sabal miamiensis vs. Sabal etonia

Give me a little credit John, don't you think I've read all those threads, Ed

Wasn't aimed at you Ed, but for the benefit of the rest of us. It's an interesting debate!

Sorry John, by now you know how I am, Ed

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Moose Grand Master

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Actually Dr. Noblick stated "presumed extinct". It's native habitat was the Miami coastal area like Brickell, Downtown, etc - all developed. Could possibly be in existance somewhere like on Viscaya property or got planted on some old residential property. Could possibly be found along some inland areas along the Miami River. Dr. Noblick referred to the original description of Sabal miamiensis looking like Sabal etonia but developes much larger fruit.

Here's some photos of my Sabl miamiensis, courtesy Eric, the botanist at Leu Gardens, Ed

Sabal miamiensis is extinct.

Kew considers it a synonym for S. etonia, in which case it wouldn't be extinct (in fact, wouldn't even be). However, I believe I've read in the past that it was extinct in the wild, but existed in cultivation.

Kew has a lot of names that make no sense. Last I heard from Dr. Larry Noblick is that miamiensis is extinct.

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Moose Grand Master

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Ken Johnson

Its the swamp cabbage monster. Only for sale on Oct. 31.

It's a cousin to the Great Pumpkin that Linus is always looking for.

Ryan

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Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Here's Leu's Sabal miamiensis, a week ago:

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Fla. climate center: 100-119 days>85 F
USDA 1990 hardiness zone 9B
Current USDA hardiness zone 10a
4 km inland from Indian River; 27º N (equivalent to Brisbane)

Central Orlando's urban heat island may be warmer than us

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edric Grand Master

edric

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Here's Leu's Sabal miamiensis, a week ago:

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Hi Dave, Great photo, I sure would like to include that in Palmpedia, mine's just pushing its first palmate leaf, courtesy Eric, botanist at H.P. Leu Gardens, Ed

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