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Low of 29 on Sat AM. No frost

Inventory includes:

2 triples about 14 feet tall with about 10 feet of trunk. Each has about 8 fronds. 1 has freeze damage on one frond of the largest stem. The smaller stems show no damage. The other triple shows not damage as of yet.

1 single about 8 feet tall with about 5 feet of trunk shows no damage due to being protected with heat.

1 other triple with stems of equal size are about 10 feet tall with about 6-7 feet of trunk. No damage visible yet.

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spockvr6

What were the temps experienced and was any of the foliage subjected to frost?

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epicure3

(spockvr6 @ Jan. 15 2007,22:14)

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What were the temps experienced and was any of the foliage subjected to frost?

I had one day of below freezing temperatures (29F) with no frost so the damage was just out and out freeze damage. Seems relegated to just one frond, however. For now.

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spockvr6

Epi-

Thanks for the clarification....frost is a big deal to us FL folk.  We can get frost in the middle (to sometimes upper) 30's air temps.

And, this frost can sometimes do more damage than the actual air temp.

And...to keep this pertintent to your V. arecina thread....I had a 10 ft specimen of this palm experience about a foot of burned foliage on the highest skyward facing frond at 34F measured air temp at 5 ft.  I am all but sure this came from frost.  And, Im also almost positive that the air temp where this leaf got burned was 35+F (since the air was dead calm, very wet and a tremendous gradient had developed).

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epicure3

(spockvr6 @ Jan. 15 2007,22:24)

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Epi-

Thanks for the clarification....frost is a big deal to us FL folk.  We can get frost in the middle (to sometimes upper) 30's air temps.

And, this frost can sometimes do more damage than the actual air temp.

And...to keep this pertintent to your V. arecina thread....I had a 10 ft specimen of this palm experience about a foot of burned foliage on the highest skyward facing frond at 34F measured air temp at 5 ft.  I am all but sure this came from frost.  And, Im also almost positive that the air temp where this leaf got burned was 35+F (since the air was dead calm, very wet and a tremendous gradient had developed).

Did it live??

I need to back and amend my posts to include no frost.

Thanks

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spockvr6

(epicure3 @ Jan. 15 2007,22:26)

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Did it live??

I need to back and amend my posts to include no frost.

Thanks

It did more than that.

Its now got about 5 ft+ of trunk!  These palms are probably the fastest (or perhaps second fastest) palms in my yard.

The burned foliage did not seem to affect it growthwise at all.  

Here is May 2005 (the V. arecina is the palm on the far right of the trio...nothing but a recently planted tall seedling)---

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Here is March 2006 about 1 month after the highest leaf sustained damage.  The Foxtail in the middle and the A. cunninghamiana on the right were undamaged.  The damage to the Veitchia can be seen in the photo if you look at the highest leaf----

3-19-2006.jpg

Here is the palm as of early January 2007---

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epicure3

Wow. That is impressive. I have noticed that all mine throw out lots of new fronds and grow pretty fast even in this relatively cool climate.

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frisbee

Here is how it looked after seeing 21F.

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spockvr6

(epicure3 @ Jan. 15 2007,22:49)

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Wow. That is impressive. I have noticed that all mine throw out lots of new fronds and grow pretty fast even in this relatively cool climate.

Ill bet mine looks worse in the March 2005 photo at 34-35F with frost than yours does after 29F and no frost.

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spockvr6

(frisbee @ Jan. 15 2007,22:59)

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Here is how it looked after seeing 21F.

Frisbee-

I think its safe to say that one isnt coming back  :(

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DoomsDave

Near as I can tell, one night in the upper twenties, FF (28?) KFC'd three of them, from fives and fifteens, about three feet tall.

Cry!

dave

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happ

Coldest minimum : 37F

So so

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Joe palma

30 three gallon plants (triples), never in green house, 2 yrs old, 4 leaves, 12" height, under 65% shade cloth, saw 32F, frost at least one night, no wind exposure, 95% of them are dead, others show green spike only but I'm not holding my breath!

20 five gallon plants (some multi's), never in green house, +3 yrs old, 4-5 leaves 1.5-2' tall, minimal canopy, minimal wind exposure, 90% of them are dead as well.

I'll stop growing these!

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Jason in Orlando

My 3 gal. V. arecina get defoliated by frost exposure frequently, and despite my believing they were toast several times, they mostly come back, mostly.  Don't give up hope on them, even the ones without a green spear.  You may be surprised by a few.

Jason

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BigFrond

Lost 2 of 3 5 gal because I left them out in the open on the hill.  I don't think the cold killed them but it was the constant wind + cold for the 5 or 6 days of cold in January.  Bummer.  I should have put them next to the fence or the south side.  I put my spindle there and it didn't get a slight burn.  It actually shot out a new frond at that time.

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epicure3

As an update to mine.....

2 of 3 stems on a triple have opened new fronds.

1 single has opened a new frond.

the others haven't yet, but spears are growing.

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BigFrond

Well, the last of my V. arecina just croaked yesterday.  It was a result of damage from the Great Freeze of 2006.  A final  test (pulled spear) proved to be its fatal ending.  %&$@!

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quaman58

I had one that had been planted in ground in early summer. Appeared to be killed outright by mid-twenties temps. Took a couple months for it to be obvious to me.

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ruskinPalms

Went below 32F at 330am, went back above 32F by 830am. 5 total hours of freezing temperatures. Ultimate low of 29.7F with 7.6 "freezing degree hours" calculated as discussed in the weather forum. Moderate winds varying from NNW to NNE all night, dewpoints in low teens, no frost. No overhead canopy in my yard. No protection provided. Photos from 4 days after the freeze event.

Minimal to moderate damage. May still be evolving.

South side of house:

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East side of house:

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ruskinPalms

North side picture is missing in action. The ones on the north are slightly more damaged than the south ones.

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falcon1988

have a few they are wimps for cold/frost. mostly frost burn apparently didn't catch it in time with the hose has minor burn

from a low temp of 37.2 with light frost. others under a canopy did very well hardly a cold spot.

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tikitiki

About 3 ft of CT and under smal canopy did quite well after the 2nd night at 32f. Did get some frost and has the spots to prove it.

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