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Alberto

Are this seedlings from the same species?

  

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  1. 1. Are this seedlings from the same species?

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Alberto

Species 1)First 2 pics : Seedlings with first leave + other seedling a little older with 2nd fully pinate leave.

Species 2)Third pic: Long strap leaves like a Syagrus sp.

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Alberto

Strange that two so different palms: Lytocaryum weddelianum and L.insigne has been placed in synonymy for so many years. From seedling stage they are TOTALLY different palms!IT`S MORE THAN CLEAR! L.insigne grows in higher altitude (1000-1800m,Nova Friburg-RJ and Vargem Alta-ES)in low canopy montane forest,seasonally dry in white sandy soil and L.weddelianum in humid open forests at 800-975m altitude in the region of Petrópolis RJ.

L.insigne is a more robust palm to 10m high,resistant to full sun and dry periods. and L.weddellianum to 1-3m high, an understory palm.

Anyway, two different palms and that misteriously where considered one species for years.... Mistery for me!:mrlooney::)

I´ll try to obtain more seedlings of L.insigne that looks so gracefull and will probably adapt very well to his new habitat here!

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Alberto

Some of my L weddellianum below dense canopy.

Detail of silver undersides.

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Alberto

L.hoehnei , another Lytocaryum species from the states Paraná and São Paulo.

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Alberto

Is somebody growing L.insigne?

I remember Toby Spanner telling somewhere that the a batch of seeds sold as L.weddellianum turned out to be L.insigne seedlings (not divided leaves)

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gilles06

I don't know much about lytocarium, do you have a photo of a tall lytocarium insigne?

Salut.

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Alberto

I don't know much about lytocarium, do you have a photo of a tall lytocarium insigne?

Salut.

No Gilles,I don´t have a photo of L.insigne.

If you can acces ´´Palms vol. 54 (1) March 2010 .There are a few good pics.

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Gileno Machado

Your Lytos in the ground are looking perfect Alberto. Cute palms...No damage during hard winters, humm? Nothing like good overhead protection, I see...

I agree that insigne seedlings look quite syagrusish...comparing to weddels and their apparent closer association with Euterpe. I'm growing weddelianum in a bright situation indoors and several insigne from seed sent by Lorenzi, under 70% shadecloth. I'll have to take a closer look, re-pot and photograph them too. Can't wait to see these babies in habitat this summer...

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caixeta

Pictures of Lytocaryum weddelianum

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caixeta

Pictures of Lytocaryum insigne.

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Alberto

Interesting that Maurício Caixeta´s little L.weeddellianum shows a very tiny strap leave. Very nice L.insignes you have!!!Where are they from?

(Interessante que tuas mudinhas de L.weddellianum tem a primeira folha inteira,não dididida. Lindas as tuas L.insigne!Onde as conseguiu?)

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But back to toppic. MY toppic ( :D ), besides the Acanthos.

Just today I bought a lot of seeds of L. insigne (minimum purchase was of 500 USD) from Jeff in Brazil. Guess, they will be shipped at the beginning of next week. My godness, I am sooooo thrilled. Have learned from Tobi (RPS) that seeds of L. insigne do not love too much heat. That means: no heating mat for them. I get a notion why the seeds of L. hoehnei don´t germinate. They are on a heating mat ... :(

Okay, the issue of L. insigne has been successfully closed but now ... I am seeking for L. itapebiensis desperately. Has anybody here connections or seeds himself?

THANK YOU,

Verena

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Kai

Hi Alberto,

What did the seeds look like of the insigne plants in the 3rd picture. Just like weddelianum seeds?

I voted: no, of course not, of course.

Cheers,

Kai

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Alberto

One of my L. insigne after +- 3 years (same as from the pic above of september 2011, still in bags)

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Alberto

Close up

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Pal Meir

One of my L. insigne after +- 3 years (same as from the pic above of september 2011, still in bags)

Very nice plant! I am still waiting (after 15 months!) for the first pinnate leaves. Concerning your first question I installed a folder at my Flickr account labelled »weddellianum vs insigne«:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/palmeir/sets/72157650181878714

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Pal Meir

Here an update to my documentation of the differences between the 2 species Lytocaryum weddellianum and Lytocaryum insigne (Syagrus weddelliana vs Syagrus insignis), contrasting these palms at an age of one year and a half; the diameter of the clay pots (left) is 12 cm, of the plastic containers (right) 14.6 cm:

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But back to toppic. MY toppic ( :D ), besides the Acanthos.

Just today I bought a lot of seeds of L. insigne (minimum purchase was of 500 USD) from Jeff in Brazil. Guess, they will be shipped at the beginning of next week. My godness, I am sooooo thrilled. Have learned from Tobi (RPS) that seeds of L. insigne do not love too much heat. That means: no heating mat for them. I get a notion why the seeds of L. hoehnei don´t germinate. They are on a heating mat ... :(

Okay, the issue of L. insigne has been successfully closed but now ... I am seeking for L. itapebiensis desperately. Has anybody here connections or seeds himself?

THANK YOU,

Verena

Any updates?

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Brian Bruning

Alberto I suspect the second pic of a Lytocarium is L. hohenei. It is supposed to be quite rare nowadays. Farmers removed them for pasture or crops. I got a 1 gallon (3.75 litres) potted one from Florida. It was $60 + shipping. I'd love to get seeds.

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Pal Meir

Alberto I suspect the second pic of a Lytocarium is L. hohenei. It is supposed to be quite rare nowadays. Farmers removed them for pasture or crops. I got a 1 gallon (3.75 litres) potted one from Florida. It was $60 + shipping. I'd love to get seeds.

Which "second" pic do you mean?

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Alberto

Alberto I suspect the second pic of a Lytocarium is L. hohenei. It is supposed to be quite rare nowadays. Farmers removed them for pasture or crops. I got a 1 gallon (3.75 litres) potted one from Florida. It was $60 + shipping. I'd love to get seeds.

Brian, the second pic above, is also a L. weddelianum. I have 4 flowering L. hoehnei and also 3 smaller ones, but they aren´t in this thread.

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Pal Meir

Alberto I suspect the second pic of a Lytocarium is L. hohenei. It is supposed to be quite rare nowadays. Farmers removed them for pasture or crops. I got a 1 gallon (3.75 litres) potted one from Florida. It was $60 + shipping. I'd love to get seeds.

Brian, the second pic above, is also a L. weddelianum. I have 4 flowering L. hoehnei and also 3 smaller ones, but they aren´t in this thread.

Do you mean the pic in #15? It looks to me like L. insigne, not L. weddellianum. Cf. also your #14, where you wrote: "One of my L. insigne ±3 years …"

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Alberto

Three year later. Maybe not necessary, but because this are totally exposed to the sky, I put a big bag over the L. insigne [from Espírito Santo state] in freezing nights

Second photo a younger palm below canopy originated from Rio de Janeiro state

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Pal Meir
6 minutes ago, Alberto said:

Three year later. Maybe not necessary, but because this are totally exposed to the sky, I put a big bag over the L. insigne [from Espírito Santo state] in freezing nights

Second photo a younger palm below canopy originated from Rio de Janeiro state

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Very nice! :wub: My L insigne N°1401 is already looking very similar, only the stem is not yet as tall as yours.

BTW the "L insigne" posted by @caixeta on 22 Sept 2011 is Lytocaryum itapebiense.

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Pal Meir

The different habits of juvenile L weddellianum and L insigne:

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Alberto

This two L.insigne alost the canopy of a big tree that felt over. The fronds are shorter now they are in more sunm

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Alberto

The palm is covered with a thicl layer of black tomentum, 

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Alberto

Photo with flash

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Kenarr09

Awesome lytos Alberto! 

They are looking like small version of parajubaeas:wub:

What is flowering on the first picture? 

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Alberto
2 hours ago, Kenarr09 said:

 

What is flowering on the first picture? 

It´s a Butia odorata x Parajubaea cocoides

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2 minutes ago, Alberto said:

It´s a Butia odorata x Parajubaea cocoides

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Very pretty inflorescence! 

Is it producing viable seeds or is sterile? 

What about the pollen is usable? 

Maybe my questions are for another topic but not many has flowering cocoid palms like you :rolleyes:

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Alberto

Some of the palms produced a few big fruits, but I didn´t germinate them. I´ll try to use this pollen ... maybe on Jubutia.

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Kenarr09

That will be monster palm :yay:

Let's hope you will have success! 

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Alberto

Jamesasb, here is it.

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Jamesasb

beautiful !!

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