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We are going for a week in Anza-Borrego Park later this month. Any of you San Diego residents know anything about it? How are the roads going in? We are flying into John Wayne airport and driving. I will be taking a Certified Interpreter Guide course for a week there.

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bgl

One week there! Wow, that's a long time! When we lived in San Diego, one of my favorite excursions when we had visitors was to drive to Julian, up in the mountains (cool weather, and in a forest setting) and then head down the mountain. Half an hour later and you're in Borrego Springs, out in the desert, and in those 30 minutes you experience the most dramatic change in weather and terrain that you could ever experience in such a short time span, anywhere I think. I always stayed on the main road going into Borrego so don't know anything about "off roading".

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palmmermaid

Bo,

Thanks for the update. Yes, a week. The class is 5 days and we are spending a couple of extra days. We are thinking about going on over to the Salton Sea since we will be close.

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bgl

Salton Sea is interesting, but not much to see. It's a pretty remote area.

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BS Man about Palms

I just had lunch at the entrance to the park a few days ago.. Thursday I think? A long ways from anything... Figure a minimum 3 hour drive from John Wayne..

But with all the rain, many of the colors are showing that are normally not there.

Any road within 60 miles of Borrego is 2 lane only and generally paved fine...

Plus, my favorite longest name for a road in the county is out there... "the great overland stage route of 1849"...doesn't all fit on the sign well...lol

Salton is about an hour and a half from there... In reality, your are only 3-4 hours from almost anything in So Cal.

Let me know more, maybe I can say hi!

Enjoy!

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BS Man about Palms

Salton Sea is interesting, but not much to see. It's a pretty remote area.

Has a pretty ripe smell to it also..

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Kim

What route are you taking? The roads are good, all paved highways, but if we have a lot of rain between now and then, it's possible there could be storm damage. Check with the California Highway Patrol before you set out: http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/roadinfo/Hourly

You may be lucky enough to see wildflowers beginning to bloom. There are lots of great hikes to pictograph sites, native palm groves, stark canyons, abandoned mines and railroad tunnels and trestles. (Some of this is outside the park to the south.) You may see big horn sheep, and a sky full of stars at night. Have a great time and take lots of pictures!

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MattyB

The cool thing about the desert is that at first glance there doesn't seem to be much around, but if forces you to slow down and start taking a closer inspection at things. You'll soon find that it's teaming with life everywhere.

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palmmermaid

Thanks for all the feedback!

Not sure what road we will take from John Wayne yet. I will definitely check with the CHP before we leave! I am really hoping the wildflowers will be blooming. I actually find the desert very beautiful. And I can't wait to see all the stars!

I will have 3 free days and my husband will be free every day while I am in class. I am sure there are many places for him to explore. I plan on getting to see the pictographs. We are also planning on at least a half day on horseback. We will take lots of pictures and post them here.

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paulgila

the best time to see wildflowers in bloom is around easter.

the hike up palm canyon in the state park is highly recommended...by me. :lol:

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DoomsDave

Meg:

Sounds like a heck of a trip!

I agree with Bo, that drive from Julian to the desert is mind-blowing, if you do it in the summer, especially. 65-75 F in Julian up to 120+ F in the desert.

And, of course there are many here along the coast who would be delighted to show off their palm gardens to you, if you have the time . . . . :winkie:

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Cycadcenter

Borrego Springs is an interesting place to drive around.

Some pretty impressive vacation homes around the place. The Avery family (Avery Business Products) owns most of the country around the town and have an excentric family member who is into metal sculptures and has placed 100's of them in the desert around the town.

Carley's Bar in town has the best hamburgers "Carley Burgers", there is also a Fudge/Icecream shop run by a couple of elderly Canadians who come down for the Winter, the service is slow but the fudge is great.

There is a store at the back of the Mall behind Coldwell Bankers called "Borrego Outfitters" that is also worth a visit.

Palm wise there is "Ellis Tree Farms" located to the north of town, They grow a lot of Washies but have some pretty impressive stands of Sabal "Riverside"

Bruce

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DoomsDave

Sorry, Kitty, had me an early senior moment . . . .

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palmmermaid

Dave,

No problem! I have those every once in a while!

Bruce,

Thanks for all the local information! That certainly helps. We will be there for 8 days so should have time for everything you listed. And my husband will defintely want a Carley Burger!

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Gtlevine

Palm Canyon hike is a must. I really like Borrego Springs a lot, you should have a good time.

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osideterry

Here's a link to a topic of mine that includes Borrego Palm Canyon photos

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22560&st=0&gopid=441668&#entry441668

I know there are other cool places to go there (of varying difficulty to get to). Fonts Point, Goat Canyon Trestle, and slot canyons are places friends of mine have hiked.

The weather is almost always good out there, often when it's raining on the coast.

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palmmermaid

Love the painting in the link!

I think we will be taking 79 out of Temecula and then Holcomb Village and Warner Springs and then taking San Felipe Road through Ranchita on S22 on into Borrego Springs. Looks like a wonderful place to visit and spend some time.

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BS Man about Palms

Kitty!

I think I will be working out there Thurs morning! Will you be there?

It would be nice to meet.

Bill

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palmmermaid

Bill,

We will be there the week of 1/24. If you are there, we would love to actually meet!

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BS Man about Palms

How is your trip so far?

Sorry, I've been working the opposite end of the county this week... :(

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palmmermaid

We returned home late last night. The trip was awesome! As soon as my husband has his pictures ready I will post them along with details of the trip. The light was beautiful and the sky was the bluest I've ever seen. Absolutely beautiful weather. My husband saw 14 penisula bighorn sheep on his second hike - while I was in class! I did not get to see them. Wonderful place. I can understand why people move there - at least in the winter! Visited several palm groves. Wow!

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Hillizard

Video of Borrego Palm Canyon fire in the first grove:

"Borrego Palm Canyon first grove fire yesterday afternoon most likely human caused due to it not being fire season and no lightening."

"Reserve Manager Jim Dice: 'Palm trees are rarely killed by fire and will generate new leaves from the crown rather quickly. The trunks, however, will be blackened and the skirts of dead leaves will be gone up to the current height of the trees. Biggest loss, besides the temporary aesthetic one, is to wildlife habitat. Many species of birds and some bats use the skirts of dead leaves as nesting and roost sites. Owls, orioles, roadrunners and ravens, among others use the skirts.'"

"A fire that burned a grove of palm trees Saturday at Borrego Palm Canyon Trailhead has been contained, officials said. The half-acre fire was reported at about 1 p.m. with a slow rate of spread, Cal Fire San Diego County said on Twitter. Several hand crews were continuing to fight the brush fire at about 3:30 p.m. and a sheriff’s helicopter was dumping more water loads from a golf course, according to the Anza-Borrego Desert Research Center."

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DoomsDave

Any updates?

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Hillizard
1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

Any updates?

Loss of Borrego Palm Canyon grove a temporary setback

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/story/2020-01-26/borrego-palm

"Officials say fire along popular trail was started by a juvenile"

"This is not the first time the grove has been in flames. Almost 50 years ago, in May 1970, the same grove burned as a result of some Boy Scouts playing with matches."

"The grove grew back and will again, officials said. 'It’s a temporary disaster in terms of tourism and park visitation,' Dice said. 'But they will come back and there is evidence that seedlings come back gangbusters after fires like this. The ash is rich in nutrients and it can also result in higher rates of flowering and fruit production.'"

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Silas_Sancona
13 hours ago, Hillizard said:

Loss of Borrego Palm Canyon grove a temporary setback

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/story/2020-01-26/borrego-palm

"Officials say fire along popular trail was started by a juvenile"

"This is not the first time the grove has been in flames. Almost 50 years ago, in May 1970, the same grove burned as a result of some Boy Scouts playing with matches."

"The grove grew back and will again, officials said. 'It’s a temporary disaster in terms of tourism and park visitation,' Dice said. 'But they will come back and there is evidence that seedlings come back gangbusters after fires like this. The ash is rich in nutrients and it can also result in higher rates of flowering and fruit production.'"

:greenthumb: Have read exactly the same things.. Palms will come back strong come spring, anticipate quite a good year for seed production off of them either this year, or next.. Maybe both.. Yea, might look awful right now, but.. this is part of their ecology, we just have to live with it.. and do our best to avoid causing such a cycle to occur often enough that it tips the scale negatively in regards to how how often these palms can tolerate being burned. Even an ecosystem like fire-dependent Chaparral can disappear completely if fire occurs too frequently.

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Darold Petty

HIghway 78 from Escondido to Blythe is a really beautiful drive with quite varied topography.  I have driven it both directions and alway enjoy stopping mid way for a hike to the palm grove.

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Silas_Sancona
On 5/19/2020 at 7:56 AM, Darold Petty said:

HIghway 78 from Escondido to Blythe is a really beautiful drive with quite varied topography.  I have driven it both directions and alway enjoy stopping mid way for a hike to the palm grove.

San Felipe Rd is an alternative route to the park from Vista via Hwy 76 and 79 that passes Lake Henshaw and Mt. Palomar, and connects to Hwy 78 at Scissors Crossing also.

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Sr. Califas

I took my first trip there this past February. I will definitely be going back again. I hope you had a great time. 

In case anyone was wondering those palms in Palm Canyon have seemed to all come back strong! 

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Font's Point

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Butch
On 3/3/2021 at 1:15 PM, Sr. Califas said:

I took my first trip there this past February. I will definitely be going back again. I hope you had a great time. 

In case anyone was wondering those palms in Palm Canyon have seemed to all come back strong! 

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They seem sooo naked... I bet all of the little critters miss the skirts... Good to see the youngsters doing well..

Butch

 

 

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