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Jubutyagrus hybrids update


TonyDFW

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Great update Buffy! Two good looking hybrids, that yatayxqueen has an interesting shape and color! Nice jub in the bonus pic! One of these days I'm going to need to get up your way and see this spectacular garden of yours!

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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Bonus Answers: From left to right: Brahea armata, Phoenix dactylifera x canariensis, Trithrinax schizophylla, Syagrus romanzoffiana 'Mountain Giant', Chamaerops humilis 'Vulcano', Sabal uresana and Jubaea chilensis.

Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

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beautyful palms buffy!!...that yatay x queen...ohhh!!!, very cool.

...your Tim´s jubutiagrus grows fast and healthy in your hands.

I have curiosity to see the biggest Tim jubutiagrus,

regards.

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Several years ago (2010) I purchased on Ebay the rare "Jubutyagrus" seedling (cost $100 (88+12) with shipping). It grew some, but then died, was very picky plant. It looked very much like the regular Queen Palm. I'm attaching some photos of it.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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Several years ago (2010) I purchased on Ebay the rare "Jubutyagrus" seedling (cost $100 (88+12) with shipping). It grew some, but then died, was very picky plant. It looked very much like the regular Queen Palm. I'm attaching some photos of it.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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Several years ago (2010) I purchased on Ebay the rare "Jubutyagrus" seedling (cost $100 (88+12) with shipping). It grew some, but then died, was very picky plant. It looked very much like the regular Queen Palm. I'm attaching some photos of it.

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Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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I don´t know if I agree that BxJ are more atractive than JxB.......blink.gif

When I remember the Tauranga JxB in NZ..... :drool: :drool: :drool:

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Alberto, That Tauranga JxB has always been one of my favorites. Malcolm Thomas sent me seeds from this tree years ago, and I have a few of them growing here in Florida. He says that they are likely pollinated by nearby Butia. Unfortunately, they can't handle the heat and humidity here and nearly die every Summer. Through the Winter they recover and lookk great by May-June. I will get a photo and post it later. My largest is still in a 15 gallon container because I have tried it in different locations to avoid heat.

Tim, I am not convinced, I have one that looks very Jubaea like , I dont see 75% butia in it. I have the feeling a few flowers are self pollinating.

I understand the palm is now some distance from the nearest butias since it was moved.

Nigel, I also thought that some must be self pollinating since I have heard reports that the seed sets were heavy. If it is some distance frome Butia you would expect a lower seed set. Here is my oldest Tauranga JxB offspring. I hate to post a picture with it looking like this because it looked so good two months ago. Well, Here it is....OH, and yes , I already know MAUSER..."It look like pure Butia to You" :hmm:

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Looks like Butia eriospatha that I have.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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Several years ago (2010) I purchased on Ebay the rare "Jubutyagrus" seedling (cost $100 (88+12) with shipping). It grew some, but then died, was very picky plant. It looked very much like the regular Queen Palm. I'm attaching some photos of it.

I got mine from the same batch at the same time from the same seller and it has done very well. After it gains some size it looks nothing like a queen palm, more like a xButyagrus on steroids. Ive heard reports that there is some variability on the vigor of hybrids so maybe you got a plant with weak genetics?

-Krishna

Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry!

Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala)

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I'm thinking of putting a bullet to the head of my Schafer Jubutygrus. It just won't stop brown tipping and yellowing.

Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

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Several years ago (2010) I purchased on Ebay the rare "Jubutyagrus" seedling (cost $100 (88+12) with shipping). It grew some, but then died, was very picky plant. It looked very much like the regular Queen Palm. I'm attaching some photos of it.

I got mine from the same batch at the same time from the same seller and it has done very well. After it gains some size it looks nothing like a queen palm, more like a xButyagrus on steroids. Ive heard reports that there is some variability on the vigor of hybrids so maybe you got a plant with weak genetics?

Yes, probably something went wrong. Now I'm growing a Butyagrus, which I bought at around 3-4 ft. tall. It's in a pot and did not seem to suffer any discolouration at 23F. Am looking to buy F1 hybrid seeds Jubutia, Butiagrus and also a Butia eriospatha (seeds and plants). Preferable parents Butia yatay.

Average day temperatures: +17°C in the winter and +24°C in the summer. Typical Summer: 68F to 77F (20C to 25C). Typical Winter: 55F to 64F (12C to 18C). Record Low (past 5 years): 45F or +7.7C (once a winter, some winters). Record High (past 5 years): 83F or +28C (some days only). Elevation 140 m (459 ft.) to 160 m (525 ft.), latitude 38.54º. Sunset Zone: unknown

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I'm thinking of putting a bullet to the head of my Schafer Jubutygrus. It just won't stop brown tipping and yellowing.

How big is it now?

-Krishna

Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry!

Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala)

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I would like to see a strait SxJ and JxS hybrid without any Butia influence.

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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Several years ago (2010) I purchased on Ebay the rare "Jubutyagrus" seedling (cost $100 (88+12) with shipping). It grew some, but then died, was very picky plant. It looked very much like the regular Queen Palm. I'm attaching some photos of it.

I got mine from the same batch at the same time from the same seller and it has done very well. After it gains some size it looks nothing like a queen palm, more like a xButyagrus on steroids. Ive heard reports that there is some variability on the vigor of hybrids so maybe you got a plant with weak genetics?

I also bought a hopper x-jubutyagrus almost 3 years ago. Its 9' tall and looking good. Its a far more upright palm than a queen and is not plumose as a queen is. It initially had some spotting, but that is gone now. It is also more upright in form than my mules. Mine was planted in full sun(6+ hrs) with a very sandy soil mix.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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Several years ago (2010) I purchased on Ebay the rare "Jubutyagrus" seedling (cost $100 (88+12) with shipping). It grew some, but then died, was very picky plant. It looked very much like the regular Queen Palm. I'm attaching some photos of it.

I got mine from the same batch at the same time from the same seller and it has done very well. After it gains some size it looks nothing like a queen palm, more like a xButyagrus on steroids. Ive heard reports that there is some variability on the vigor of hybrids so maybe you got a plant with weak genetics?

i am agree, there are genetics variations between them, i have various Tim´s jubutiagrus and meanwhile some still growing fast, others slowly and very damaged at the leaflets(brown spots and necrosis)

beautiful jubutiagrus pics!!

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David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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On 1/3/2011 at 3:24 AM, buffy said:

I have a Schafer Jubutygrus and Hopper Jubutygrus growing close to each other. The Schafer hybrid is 3+ years old. The Hopper hybrid is 1+ years old. The Hopper hybrid is definitely faster. The growing conditions certainly haven't been apple-to-apples, but the Hopper hybrid is pushing out pinnate leaves. It took the Schafer hybrid almost 2 full years before it even threatened to send pinnate fronds up. I think a lot of it has to do with how quickly you get them in the ground. I no longer wait for them to go pinnate before putting them in the dirt. I can always protect. Palms simply do better in the dirt. I have a Schafer Butia X Parajubaea going in the dirt on April 1st. I also have a couple of more Hopper hybrids I'm gonna squeeze somewhere.

Do you have any updates on how your Jubutygrus is growing? Would be great to see some photographs.

Is your Schafer Butia X Parajubaea (SUNKHA or COCOIDES)? I'm in the same zone as you, Patrix told me to keep mine in a pot for at least 2 years before planting. Did you plant yours in a raised bed with ready to install winter protection? 

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We got down to -5F this winter. Nothing looks that great. I protected the Hopper Jubutygrus. It's fine. I have one Schafer Jubutygrus that is barely alive. When you say same zone, where are you talking about. It matters. We built tons of structures around material to save some of it this year.

I no longer buy any mule with queen blood. In the cold weather, they struggle to uptake nitrogen and potassium. They spot easily. I like my Butia X Para and Butia X Lyto. Seems prettier than Queen hybrids, except Yatay. Yatay was attractive. 

If you live in a climate like mine, I'd go this direction:

1. Sabals - minor, mexicana and uresana

2. Clumping species of the following genus palms - They'll return from continental type freezes - Chamaerops, Serenoa, Chamaedorea, Rhapis, Arenga, Allogoptera, Trithrinax, Nannorhops, Syagrus and Butia, Just need to make sure the root zone doesn't freeze.

3. Dwarf palms - Easy to protect

4. Filibusta

5. Trachycarpus fortunei

6. Butia X Jubaea hybrids

7. Brahea armata, moorei and clara

Most of my pure Butias died.

 

My Butia x Para palms are adjacent in the regular ground. 

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Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

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4 hours ago, buffy said:

We got down to -5F this winter. Nothing looks that great. I protected the Hopper Jubutygrus. It's fine. I have one Schafer Jubutygrus that is barely alive. When you say same zone, where are you talking about. It matters. We built tons of structures around material to save some of it this year.

I no longer buy any mule with queen blood. In the cold weather, they struggle to uptake nitrogen and potassium. They spot easily. I like my Butia X Para and Butia X Lyto. Seems prettier than Queen hybrids, except Yatay. Yatay was attractive. 

If you live in a climate like mine, I'd go this direction:

1. Sabals - minor, mexicana and uresana

2. Clumping species of the following genus palms - They'll return from continental type freezes - Chamaerops, Serenoa, Chamaedorea, Rhapis, Arenga, Allogoptera, Trithrinax, Nannorhops, Syagrus and Butia, Just need to make sure the root zone doesn't freeze.

3. Dwarf palms - Easy to protect

4. Filibusta

5. Trachycarpus fortunei

6. Butia X Jubaea hybrids

7. Brahea armata, moorei and clara

Most of my pure Butias died.

 

My Butia x Para palms are adjacent in the regular ground. 

Are the Butia x Para palms alive? Impressive if they survived while Butia succumbed. 

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As of mid July almost all of my species survived the past Dallas winter’s 3F. Not all specimens made it. Especially the large butinaceae.  Only my Jubea in these images was protected by a tarp. We were without power for 4 days during the coldest period do no supplemental heat either. 
My Jubea was defóliated before the deep freeze and wrapped with a tarp. It is coming back strongly.  Nuts x Jubea x Jubea. Was defóliated but came back. It is a small plant.  My three Way hybrid had spear pull but is returning strongly.  Blue Jubea had spear pull but is coming back strongly. All large trunked c. Humilis had trunk death  but are retuning from roots. All c. Humilis cérifera have intact trunks and were just defoliated. Returning strongly. 

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On 7/14/2021 at 5:19 PM, necturus said:

Are the Butia x Para palms alive? Impressive if they survived while Butia succumbed. 

They were protected.

Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

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On 11/20/2013 at 6:56 AM, Alicehunter2000 said:

I would like to see a strait SxJ and JxS hybrid without any Butia influence.

JxS hybrid. Grows 3x as fast as standard Jubaea!

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

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2 hours ago, aztropic said:

JxS hybrid. Grows 3x as fast as standard Jubaea!

Holy grail palm for me without a doubt . Hoping I can pick one up on Patrics next batch =) 

T J 

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Definitely a winner for AZ as is the more common mule palm!B)

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

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3 minutes ago, aztropic said:

Definitely a winner for AZ as is the more common mule palm!B)

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

How much room does your JxS actually get , seems awfully close to other palms and that brick wall? Your JxS will be enormous one day and I can't wait to see it =) 

T J 

T J 

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3 ft in any direction... Definitely planned ahead!:lol2:

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

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Just rechecked and actually 2 feet any direction allowing for up to a 4 foot wide trunk. :rolleyes:

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona

Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

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On 7/14/2021 at 1:15 PM, buffy said:

I protected the Hopper Jubutygrus. It's fine.

Finally getting a spathe emerging.

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Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

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2 hours ago, buffy said:

Finally getting a spathe emerging.

weird can't see the pics on my end =/ 

T J 

T J 

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