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Making Sago in Indonesia

Okie

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MattyB Grand Master

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Thanks for the pics Okie.  That looks kinda gross!  Very interesting though.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Dave-Vero Grand Master

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Looks like hard work, even with some modern tech.  Great photos.  

Google Earth image is high-resolution (eliminating most of Indonesia) and the north-pointing arrow is helpful.  Very green (eliminating a lot of high-res imagery).  The stream is braided, indicating a lot of erosion, so there must be steep volcanic terrain.  Can't be Java because there isn't a rice field to be seen.  I bet it's at 2 degrees 51' 38.6S, 128 degrees 40' 39.63 E.

Fla. climate center: 100-119 days>85 F
USDA 1990 hardiness zone 9B
Current USDA hardiness zone 10a
4 km inland from Indian River; 27º N (equivalent to Brisbane)

Central Orlando's urban heat island may be warmer than us

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Dave-Vero Grand Master

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Isn't the island beginning to attract tourists?  Certainly looks like a beautiful area.  Now for someone to explain which palm it is.

Fla. climate center: 100-119 days>85 F
USDA 1990 hardiness zone 9B
Current USDA hardiness zone 10a
4 km inland from Indian River; 27º N (equivalent to Brisbane)

Central Orlando's urban heat island may be warmer than us

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Dave-Vero Grand Master

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I shoulda known.  This brings up John Dransfield's elegant discussion of tech terms from the Corypha discussion:

Hapaxanthic means flowering in which the production of inflorescences results in the death of the stem.

Pleonanthic means flowering in which inflorescences are produced one by one throughout the extended adult life of the stem.

Hapaxanthy - flowering usually takes place over a very short period - say one or two years.

Pleonanthy - flowering goes on for many years.

Note that these terms refer to the behaviour of stems not individuals.

If the palm is single stemmed - e.g. Corypha, then hapaxanthy results in the death of the individual and the individual is then monocarpic ( a term I prefer not to use in palms)

If the palm is multistemmed, hapaxanthy does not result in the death of the individual, merely the stem in flower. The palm is then not monocarpic but polycarpic. Good example is Metroxylon where individual stems die after flowering (hapaxanthy) but there are plenty of suckers to continue growth and the individual could end up being immortal (hence definitely not monocarpic).

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So the sago palm is hapaxanthic, and it's a clustering palm so it's polycarpic.  If you'd asked me a week ago, I would have had to go to a book.  This sort of careful attention to morphology and life history can be pretty rewarding--Barry Tomlinson did a lot of such work at Fairchild Tropical Garden, on palms and many other plants.  

Thanks again for posting.

Fla. climate center: 100-119 days>85 F
USDA 1990 hardiness zone 9B
Current USDA hardiness zone 10a
4 km inland from Indian River; 27º N (equivalent to Brisbane)

Central Orlando's urban heat island may be warmer than us

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paulgila Grand Master

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okie--what island is it?did you mention it already & i missed it ???

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

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SubTropicRay Grand Master

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Very educative.  Thanks for sharing.

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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Wow!

Great pictures!  (You spared us the horra of the palm being felled!)

Hmm.  That stuff does look gross.  Did you taste any?  Or did it need to be processed further?

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Dave,

I did not taste it.  I believe it gets dried out and gets turned into a powder.  I'm not exactly sure.

Anyway, it was pretty interesting.

Okie

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Merritt Island, Florida

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