Copernicia hospita

[avanza]

Thank you for the topic.

[Mandrew968]

I have to chime in, Not all hospita have to be silver/blue. There are green forms of hospita. Copernicia yarey has been considered just a form of hospita, before, but the inflorescence is more robust and the tree is overall a bit bigger(however, in Cuba, they are all yarey). Copernicia curbeloi is reputed to be the very silver form of hospita but I don't recognize that name, unless it's an old palm, sold under that name(IMO record should be kept of the original name of the palm, at the time it was aquired, for posterity).

[virtualpalm]

Andrew, here is a specimen C. curbeloi that we have:

As you can see, it is much more robust than C. hospita.

Jody

[Vincent]

So is it accurate to compare/contrast C. curbeloi to c. hospita in the same way C. fallense is compared to C. baileyana- just a larger more robust form of copernicia? Or is there major differences? I have not seen any C. curbeloi for sale anywhere. This is an amazing palm.

[MattyB]

Wonder what happened to Bill's palm?

[sonoranfans]

So is it accurate to compare/contrast C. curbeloi to c. hospita in the same way C. fallense is compared to C. baileyana- just a larger more robust form of copernicia? Or is there major differences? I have not seen any C. curbeloi for sale anywhere. This is an amazing palm.

C. Curbeloi seems to be more rare... the one posted above is the bluest one I was able to find on the net. Most others are shaded more towards light blue-green. Hospitas on the other hand are less uncommon and there are quite a few light blue ones apparently...

[Mandrew968]

Andrew, here is a specimen C. curbeloi that we have:

0090-TC0211-Cop-Cur-20OA.jpg

As you can see, it is much more robust than C. hospita.

Jody

Jody--that looks a lot like a silver Bailey...

[Kris]

Nice visuals....Jody.

[Rusty on Pine Is.]

Andrew, here is a specimen C. curbeloi that we have:

0090-TC0211-Cop-Cur-20OA.jpg

As you can see, it is much more robust than C. hospita.

Jody

Jody--that looks a lot like a silver Bailey...

OK, now i am confused. ....

Just kidding, i think i get it........i have a C. (sold as) baileyana, that started out green, and now is very silver...a handsome palm IMO, but not green and therefore not a Bailey....But .......It is more stout and robust than any hospita i have seen, so when you say "silver Bailey", I assume we just alluding to the preponderance of one parents genes over the other, and in my case the Bailey genes won out......kindof.......

Which i why i find this genus so fascinating, aside from it's overwhelming architectural impact.

I have to work this weekend but would like to post a pic of my "Silver Bailey" on Sunday after work...Really love these palms!

Rusty

[Texeltropics]

this is def. my favourite...because it grows that slow, can i keep it as a indoorpalm?

[Rusty on Pine Is.]

Well, here is my offering for the cognoscenti to opine...i dont have a clue...bought it and i am sure it was seed collected from a Bailey, but we all know how unsure that can be....if it is that blue, it is not a bailey, but seems to have more of that parent than C. hospita...would like to hear your opinions.........

BTW, both pics have a carbonated beverage container for scale....

Thanks

Rusty

[sonoranfans]

Well, here is my offering for the cognoscenti to opine...i dont have a clue...bought it and i am sure it was seed collected from a Bailey, but we all know how unsure that can be....if it is that blue, it is not a bailey, but seems to have more of that parent than C. hospita...would like to hear your opinions.........

BTW, both pics have a carbonated beverage container for scale....

Thanks

Rusty

Hospita on bailey steroids?? LOL! I personally don't care what it is, it is magnificent! I remember Ken saying that these copernicia are such ready cross breeders that it can be very tough to find a pure species. Curbeloi is like a ghost on the internet, hardly any pics, and none as blue as jodys...

[Ken Johnson]

I spoke with someone that was studying Copernicia at Fairchild before hurricane Betsy (1965 or so). After the hurricane he told me there were way fewer Copernicia and some species were gone completely from the garden. Curbeloi was one of them but he realized many years latter that what he was looking at there was not exactly what was being seen in Cuba. Some members here who have been to Cuba can tell you about the hybrids there.....many!

[Mandrew968]

Well, here is my offering for the cognoscenti to opine...i dont have a clue...bought it and i am sure it was seed collected from a Bailey, but we all know how unsure that can be....if it is that blue, it is not a bailey, but seems to have more of that parent than C. hospita...would like to hear your opinions.........

BTW, both pics have a carbonated beverage container for scale....

Thanks

Rusty

I am not sure that's not a baileyana--my dad has a silver baileyana. Some are silver and ask anyone and they will tell you, SILVER is better! Rusty, nice SILVER Copernicia baileyana!

[avanza]

My 1st baby lol 6 years from seed.

Edited June 4, 2013 by avanza

[avanza]

My 2nd baby lol :-) very very slow growth

7 years from seed

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

How slow is c. baileyana in Southern California? I have a spot under my kitchen window with hot afternoon sun and bone dry Winter conditions thanks to a bougainvillea growing above on a trellis. I heard they are slow as molasses in Socal, which would make them even slower here. But if it's gonna get to 6 feet in 20 years it would be perfect under my kitchen window.

[Kris]

Hi friends,

Here's the video of the one that is growing in our house garden,& its an update !

http://youtu.be/TscSCpAY7Nk

Love,

kris.

[trioderob]

BUMP

for an killer thread

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

Here's a potential trick to get these to grow faster. I've never tried this, but... if some botanist feel that copernicia rigida has the potential of being a carnivorous palm by trapping rodents and letting them rot in the foliage. Then why not try doing a foliar feed with blood meal. Sounds creepy, but it might really get any copernicia to grow faster.

[trioderob]

you are close

what i do is actually put in a dead rodent (gopher)

got the tip from an expert in the know.

he may or may not want to chime in because its a little creepy

[MattyB]

Oh please Lord let this continue. Amen.

[paulgila]

BUMP

for an killer thread

Yes,it is A killer thread...for gophers.

[Stevetoad]

Hey Matt can I get a bucket of dead gophers from you? I have an idea.

[MattyB]

Hmmmm, new business idea: "Buckets-O-Gopher" Driving range/Copernicia lovers paradise.

[paulgila]

Stop by here,steve I'll give you that 25 gallon bucket of urine you wanted. I worked hard on that.

All day.

[Stevetoad]

Hmmmm, new business idea: "Buckets-O-Gopher" Driving range/Copernicia lovers paradise.

Shhhh!

[Stevetoad]

Stop by here,steve I'll give you that 25 gallon bucket of urine you wanted. I worked hard on that.

All day.

That's the part A. Gophers are part B. I won't say what part C is. But my palms should be 40foot by August if my calculations are correct. Thanks for your hard work Paul.

[MattyB]

Remember that old Irish Setter that we had, Molly, with the enormous tumor on her belly that we had to "milk" several times a day? Well, I'd take the approximately 8 oz. of blood and plasma per day that came out of that thing and would pour it on my Carpoxylon macrospermum. That's the true secret to my success with Carpoxylon.

[NApalm]

Is there a vomit emoticon? ??

[palmislandRandy]

Is there a vomit emoticon? ??

[Zeeth]

What a lovely palm. It's too bad that none of the species of Copernicia naturally made the jump across the Florida straits as they seem to be a great genus for Florida.

[KennyRE317]

Another palm i would love to try, but seems hard to comeby in socal. At least I can see which one is slower this or Pseudophoenix ekmanii

[NApalm]

Is there a vomit emoticon? ??

Hahaha. Thank you

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

Well, the PACSOA website says this:

Some botanists are raising the possibility that C. rigida is carnivorous. Its leaves form a very effective trap for small animals, which die and rot there, providing nutrients for the plant. This possibly evolved after the last ice-age, when C. rigida's habitat was a desert.

Not sure the other copernicias have dense enough canopy to trap Matty's gophers, but at least on the copernicia with bigger leaves, you would make a gopher taco with the leaf. On prunifera or alba, you could just hang the gophers in the thorns, at least that would look good around halloween.

So there you have it, I even have a name for Matty's new business: Matty's Palm Tacos™ - We use only vegetarian fed gophers.

[trioderob]

Matty's Palm Tacos™

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[avanza]

Cool ideas Axel Thumbsup

[Shirleypalmpaws]

Don't know where to get one but, I'd really love to have a Blue Copericia hospita. I think if it can grow in Orlando, it can grow in Brevard?

Good gracious I love this forum. Just an aside.....my dogs and cat are raw fed...sooo one day while searching for, um, ...variety....I found this.<---- It's really, really gross, so fair-warning it's a barf-alert, but hey, it could work for carnivorous palms...maybe? Of which I'm showing it to you, so you can see it seems possible people really do make a living or something selling these... things. Okay, lol,

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

Don't know where to get one but, I'd really love to have a Blue Copericia hospita. I think if it can grow in Orlando, it can grow in Brevard?

Good gracious I love this forum. Just an aside.....my dogs and cat are raw fed...sooo one day while searching for, um, ...variety....I found this.<---- It's really, really gross, so fair-warning it's a barf-alert, but hey, it could work for carnivorous palms...maybe? Of which I'm showing it to you, so you can see it seems possible people really do make a living or something selling these... things. Okay, lol,

I actually think this could be useful for Matty, Matty can make some extra cash and sell his dead gophers to RodentPro. Should be more profitable than making palm tacos.

I just saw some seedlings go on sale on EBay UK: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Copernicia-hospita-silberne-Wachs-Palme-wunderschone-Raritat-Kuba-/150999129947?pt=DE_Haus_Garten_Garten_Blumen_Pflanzen&hash=item23283fdf5b&nma=true&si=lZRtaXfkjzMv%252BnGoHtNytxnR%252Bdk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Did you check with Ken Johnson? Given you live in Florida you ought to be able to find one.

[avanza]

updating my babies