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Dypsis sp "Black Stem" Update

Gtlevine

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In 2007 I was the first I believe to collect seed from that amazing Dypsis that Bruno discovered. We called it Dypsis "Black Stem" because it had an amazing black trunk and super colorful crownshaft, dark green leaves that looked like a Baronii Lutescens mix. This was the most colorful Dypsis I have seen. To spur your memory, here is a photo.

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I collected seed of this species, kept a few for myself and the rest went off to Hawaii to be grown up by the gentlemen who sponsered my trip. Here is an example of the seedlings 3.5 years later, what is wonderful is that all the seedlings have grown true to the mother plant. At the age shown they are all super colorful and all have a black base. The photo is from a cell phone so not the best, but you can clearly see the beautiful traits of the mother palm exhibited. Since the offspring all resemble the mother plant, it proves this is not a freak palm, but a true subspecies or species. It is most likely from the Baronii complex according to the experts in Madagascar. Bruno gave a few seed to a dealer in Tana and I believe some of these are growing in Australia. All of us California collectors a have a couple more years to wait and they will be available in So Cal only.

Here is the offspring

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Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Zeeth Grand Master

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So Cal only you say? That's too bad, that palm is gorgeous!

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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Awesome Gary! You are a lucky man. Bill said to throw it in a 36 inch box and half bury it and watch her grow.

San Marcos CA

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A beauty. How are your plants doing here in Cali?

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Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

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Wow, that is incredible! Can't wait until these become available to buy around here! Thanks for posting this Gary.

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Tyrone Grand Master

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I never forgot that palm. Something incredible I think. What a beautiful palm. Thanks for sharing.

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Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Can't wait Gary.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

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-- Alfred Austin

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Scream!

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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You were right Gary. Nice tease and worth it when I got here! :P

Looking forward to it!

Bill

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"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Acck!

Oook!

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Where/Who in Australia?? I want one :drool:

Bruce

Innisfail - NQ AUS - 3600mm of rain a year average or around 144inches if you prefer - Temp Range 9c to 43c

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Nice Gary! :drool: Do you have any more pics of this palm? I've bought a few called "black stem" & all are different.

Randy :)

"If you need me, I'll be outside" -Randy Wiesner Palm Beach County, Florida Zone 10Bish

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I want one I want one I want one and I want it now. :(

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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In 2007 I was the first I believe to collect seed from that amazing Dypsis that Bruno discovered. We called it Dypsis "Black Stem" because it had an amazing black trunk and super colorful crownshaft, dark green leaves that looked like a Baronii Lutescens mix. This was the most colorful Dypsis I have seen. To spur your memory, here is a photo.

I collected seed of this species, kept a few for myself and the rest went off to Hawaii to be grown up by the gentlemen who sponsered my trip. Here is an example of the seedlings 3.5 years later, what is wonderful is that all the seedlings have grown true to the mother plant. At the age shown they are all super colorful and all have a black base. The photo is from a cell phone so not the best, but you can clearly see the beautiful traits of the mother palm exhibited. Since the offspring all resemble the mother plant, it proves this is not a freak palm, but a true subspecies or species. It is most likely from the Baronii complex according to the experts in Madagascar. Bruno gave a few seed to a dealer in Tana and I believe some of these are growing in Australia. All of us California collectors a have a couple more years to wait and they will be available in So Cal only.

Here is the offspring

An extraordinary red ! The petioles remind me of red latan.

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Kumar

Bombay, India

Sea Level | Average Temperature Range 23 - 32 deg. celsius | Annual rainfall 3400.0 mm

Calcutta, India

Sea Level | Average Temperature Range 19 - 33 deg. celsius | Annual rainfall 1600.0 mm

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Maybe John Dransfield would care to make a comment based off of this picture and comments. Or does it need to flower for further remarks. John....?

It's certainly has lots of good color!

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Alberto Grand Master

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It´s gorgeous!!!:drool:

I remember when you first posted pics of this and other Madagascar palms ! ...and I´m not a dypsis freak because of my climate...so it was quiet impressive!

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Zeeth Grand Master

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I am actually really intrigued by this palm. Any info on the cultivation requirements? Will it grow in Florida? This is one of the prettiest palms that I've seen in a while

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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The colours are very pretty, call me when you find a non clumping version.

Peachy

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27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

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I like clumpers...put me down for one too.

Has Dr Dransfield seen or named this ?

The Palm Mahal

Hollywood Fla

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WOW nice coloration. Dypsis are such wonderful palms, so diverse. Great find and a fast grower too. How tall do these get? :drool:

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After Gary's original posts with this palm, Bruno took one of Dransfields students, Joro, to Vakona to see this palm. He identified it as Dypsis baronii. I believe this is all covered in an old Palmtalk post if someone wants to try to dig it up. As far as I remember it was not a "maybe" sort of ID, he seemed quite positive it was Dypsis baronii.

But from a grower/collector point of view, I don't think the actual species ID matters much. D baronii is so variable, there are forms in cultivation already that I think are some of the most beautiful palms around, and then other forms that I wouldn't ever bother planting in my garden. This form looks like one of the most beautiful palms I've seen, and clearly distinct from a growers perspective from any baronii form I've seen growing around here.

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

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I'm curious Matt if John Dransfield actually looked at this palm. I say that because at the lodge where this palm exists there were only two specimens of it, this adult specimen and one juvenile. The lodge was full of other palms and plants and many normal looking baronii type palms, the two black stems were in the same area along the lake. Some other people sold black stem from the lodge and thought they had the real thing, but I knew immediately from the seedlings it could not have not come from this palm. I still believe it is in Baronii complex, but I am wondering if Joro actually looked at this particular palm and not from one of the other palms at the lodge?

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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WOW nice coloration. Dypsis are such wonderful palms, so diverse. Great find and a fast grower too. How tall do these get? :drool:

The palm was not a huge clumper like other baronii. It's size both in number of trunks, thickness of stems and overall height, resembled that of Dypsis onilehensis.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Nice Gary! :drool: Do you have any more pics of this palm? I've bought a few called "black stem" & all are different.

Randy :)

I'll get some more pics of the other palm in Madagascar. I probably should not have been calling this black stem because your right, that name has been going around for other palms as well.

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Where/Who in Australia?? I want one :drool:

I know someone on this board said they got one and the dates for when he got it made sense that it came from seed Bruno gave to the dealer in Tana. I forgot who it was, hopefully he see's this post and gives us an update.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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BS Man about Palms

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Yep, both these specimens are awesome..

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don't pay any attention to me...

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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I seem to remember seeing pictures of Joro looking at that particular palm. Maybe Bruno posted them.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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I'm curious Matt if John Dransfield actually looked at this palm. I say that because at the lodge where this palm exists there were only two specimens of it, this adult specimen and one juvenile. The lodge was full of other palms and plants and many normal looking baronii type palms, the two black stems were in the same area along the lake. Some other people sold black stem from the lodge and thought they had the real thing, but I knew immediately from the seedlings it could not have not come from this palm. I still believe it is in Baronii complex, but I am wondering if Joro actually looked at this particular palm and not from one of the other palms at the lodge?

Gary - for what it's worth I found a couple of additional "black stem" when I was there back in 2006. They were growing in a small garden maybe 20 minutes walk from the lodge...

Thanks for bringing seeds back - I can't wait to get a plant once they're available!

Jack Sayers

East Los Angeles

growing cold tolerant palms halfway between the equator and the arctic circle...

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Hi Gary your seedling is looking great.

I was the person that you were referring to & I originally had four of them, I have given one each to my relatives & kept two for myself, one of which is planted in the garden & growing well.

The seedlings came to me via Bill Beattie & he sourced the seed from the dealer in Tana.

I will post a picture of my best one shortly.

Matt

Northern

New South Wales

Australia

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Here are some photos I have just taken, the light is not very good still fairly early in the morning.

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Matt

Northern

New South Wales

Australia

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Gtlevine

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Very nice, the color is coming along nicely on your. Bill is a great guy, glad he was able to get you a few plants. I remember we gave the dealer in Tana just a small quantity of seed, maybe a 50 count, so there are probably not that many plants around down under. Keep us posted on how yours are doing. They are definately slower growing than other baronii type palms so we need to be patient.

Gary

Here are some photos I have just taken, the light is not very good still fairly early in the morning.

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Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Hi Gary

Yeah Bill is a great guy & he said he was lucky to get the few seeds that he did.

These plants are not like the common D baronii at all, as you say they are much slower growing but I beleive worth the wait.

Matt

Northern

New South Wales

Australia

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Justin Veteran

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Update on these palms - here are some recent shots. Gary, can I score a plant (for a fee) for posting these updates?

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Gtlevine

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I think they are coming in this spring Justin, so we all will have one.

GAry

Rock Ridge Ranch

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5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Okay, but I want to take it right back to Pahoa, so that seems a bit inefficient. :rolleyes:

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

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Cindy Adair

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I think they are coming in this spring Justin, so we all will have one.

GAry

Coming in where or does one need to win a lottery to get one of these beauties?

Cindy Adair

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Gtlevine

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They are coming in to Rancho Soledad Nursery in San Diego, but they don't ship the plants so it's pick up at the nursery only.

Gary

I think they are coming in this spring Justin, so we all will have one.

GAry

Coming in where or does one need to win a lottery to get one of these beauties?

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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