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neoflora

I was searching again for the thread on D. ambositrae. I believe Jeff Searle posted a picture of one in habitat. Do we still have it in the system? What was the link?Ron

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FossilNypa

Hi, I did some search and think I found it, please click here

Hope it helps you. :)

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neoflora

Jeff, Would it be possible for you to re-post the picture you have? Thanks, Ron

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neoflora

Jeff, Never mind. Found it. Thanks !

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Urban Rainforest

Ron and Luis, THANK YOU so much for bringing back this post and pics as I could not find it. I now know with certainty this is the palm I have! I will post pics that show the similarities in the recurving of the fronds, red petioles and white crownshaft for you to compare. Thanks again, Steve

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Urban Rainforest

Another pic from last year.

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Urban Rainforest

Now some pics from this year.

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Urban Rainforest

Here is a couple shots of the trunk detail.

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Urban Rainforest

another close up. You can see the heel to the right.

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Urban Rainforest

And here are a couple more recent pics.

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Urban Rainforest

another showing the newly opened frond that recurves and has a 180 twist.

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Urban Rainforest

and another from a differant angle.

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Urban Rainforest

And one last close up of the trunk. I would be real interested in any pics if any of you are growing this one. Thanks, Steve

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SunnyFl

Thanks for posting the link FossilNypa - so nice to go back over that thread and the awesome pics of this palm.

Steve in So Cal, great to see yours too, that's a very robust-looking ambo - what a gem!

But looking at the pics, I don't really see how the fine-leaf could have been confused with it.  The ambo looks quite different - it has a "bolder" look, thicker petioles and that pretty red - and the fronds seem to emerge at a more horizontal angle, is that right?

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Jeff Searle

Steve,

 By looking at the amount of pictures you just posted, do you think we can tell that your excited about your palm?? :D  I can't believe for one reason why your palm is not anything BUT Dypsis ambositrae. You should be very proud to have this palm doing so well for you!  Extreamly nice!!! Thanks for the pictures.

Jeff

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Urban Rainforest

(Jeff Searle @ Dec. 04 2006,08:58)

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Steve,

 By looking at the amount of pictures you just posted, do you think we can tell that your excited about your palm?? :D  I can't believe for one reason why your palm is not anything BUT Dypsis ambositrae. You should be very proud to have this palm doing so well for you!  Extreamly nice!!! Thanks for the pictures.

Jeff

Jeff, After seeing those pics of yours in habitat again I get very excited thinking my palm could look like that someday! This is a palm that needs to be in cultivation as it has been an easy and fast grower for me even growing through the winter. I still kick myself when I think that I had about 10 of these at one time and sold them all except this one. Anyone have more pics :P . Thanks,Steve

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STEVE IN SO CAL

(SunnyFl @ Dec. 04 2006,07:41)

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Thanks for posting the link FossilNypa - so nice to go back over that thread and the awesome pics of this palm.

Steve in So Cal, great to see yours too, that's a very robust-looking ambo - what a gem!

But looking at the pics, I don't really see how the fine-leaf could have been confused with it.  The ambo looks quite different - it has a "bolder" look, thicker petioles and that pretty red - and the fronds seem to emerge at a more horizontal angle, is that right?

Just to be clear...Steve from San Diego can grow Dypsis, Steve in So Cal kills them (at least mine are brown and crunchy...does that mean they're dead?)

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Greg in Lake Forest CA

(Jeff Searle @ Dec. 04 2006,05:58)

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Steve,

 By looking at the amount of pictures you just posted, do you think we can tell that your excited about your palm?? :D  I can't believe for one reason why your palm is not anything BUT Dypsis ambositrae. You should be very proud to have this palm doing so well for you!  Extreamly nice!!! Thanks for the pictures.

Jeff

Hello Jeff,

Did those in habitat have a heel?  If so I may be fortunate to have some of these.

Regards, Greg

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BS Man about Palms

Steve did you catch this from my post? I replied to the link hoping you would see it, not realising in it was in the "cable/dsl" section...("travel logs") It looked just like it when I perused that link.  COOL  :)

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MattyB

So Steve (in SD), Since I know you've also got some of those D. onilahensis that came from Floribunda this year, do you think that they look like your D. ambositrae when it was young?

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Matt in SD

I'll second MattyB's question for Steve.  Ron (neoflora) has a palm that is supposed to be the real ambositrae that I saw a couple weekends ago, and it look exactly the same as the palm that Floribunda is selling right now as D onilahensis.  I know that Steve has these (he gave me mine)...so Steve does it look the same as your "red decipiens"?  (that's what the palm he posted was sold as).

Matt

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Urban Rainforest

(MattyB @ Dec. 04 2006,12:03)

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So Steve (in SD), Since I know you've also got some of those D. onilahensis that came from Floribunda this year, do you think that they look like your D. ambositrae when it was young?

Matty B and Matt, Unfotunately while the palms I got from floribunda as D. Onilahensis are extremely beautifull and something differant their just another Dypsis mystery and in no way resemble the palms in this post. In fact the only things they share in common is their both Dypsis and they have a heel. The palm I have when it was small looked like a strange D. Decipiens with recurved fronds and very narrow almost overlapping leaflets. The other differance was the newest petiole and new spear were bright red. The palms I recently got from Floribunda have a much more upright growth habit and a significant space between the leaflets also of the 10 or so that I have none have shown any red coloration, only purple, lavender to almost hot pink. Whatever these turn out to be their gonna be awesome. Here is a pic of one of mine shortly after I recieved them. Steve

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Urban Rainforest

And heres a closeup to show some of the color.

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SunnyFl

(STEVE IN SO CAL @ Dec. 04 2006,09:59)

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Just to be clear...Steve from San Diego can grow Dypsis, Steve in So Cal kills them (at least mine are brown and crunchy...does that mean they're dead?)

Steve in San Diego - is my face red!  I am so sorry - this is one of those faux pas that result when the old gal doesn't wear her reading glasses!  :P  

And thanks for clearing it up, Steve in So Cal.

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Urban Rainforest

(SunnyFl @ Dec. 04 2006,22:24)

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(STEVE IN SO CAL @ Dec. 04 2006,09:59)

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Just to be clear...Steve from San Diego can grow Dypsis, Steve in So Cal kills them (at least mine are brown and crunchy...does that mean they're dead?)

Steve in San Diego - is my face red!  I am so sorry - this is one of those faux pas that result when the old gal doesn't wear her reading glasses!  :P  

And thanks for clearing it up, Steve in So Cal.

No worrys Sunnyfl. We actually get each others PM's from time to time  :D . Steve

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Tyrone

Here's what I bought as the wild ambositrae. I've got 5 of them. Do you think these are the real deal?

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Tyrone

Another angle.

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These ones seem to be getting a tillering root too. If they're not the real deal they're something I don't have yet.

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Greg in Lake Forest CA

Jeff Searle,

Would you happen to know if the ambositrae you saw in habitat had a heel?

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Urban Rainforest

(Tyrone @ Dec. 06 2006,07:50)

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Another angle.

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These ones seem to be getting a tillering root too. If they're not the real deal they're something I don't have yet.

Tyrone, It's hard to tell but I like some of the things I'm seeing. It has that Decipiens look, recurved fronds and I'm seeing a little red in there too! I hope you have the real deal. Steve

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Matt in SD

Tyrone, that palm looks very similar to the palm going around now as Dypsis 'kindreo'.  I have a 'kindreo' and also an onilahensis that Steve posted the photo of these two are pretty hard to tell apart (I'm not even convinced yet that they are actually different palms).  I really don't know what either of these is going to grow up to look like.  Bruno once posted a photo of 'kindreo' and it looked very much like onilahensis.

I'm curious with the onilahensis currently coming from Floribunda.  I've heard (I think here) that Jeff Marcus is certain that these are onilahensis.  Does anyone know if the seed came off of his tree (I'm pretty sure he has a seeding onilahensis)?  

Matt

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Jeff Searle

(Tyrone @ Dec. 06 2006,07:47)

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Here's what I bought as the wild ambositrae. I've got 5 of them. Do you think these are the real deal?

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Tyrone,

    I have plants also this same size showing some red in the new spear leaf. I am 99.9% sure this will turn out to be Dypsis ambositrae.

Greg,

    I honestly did not remember if this has a heel or not. I have a sneaky feeling that it might get one at some point in time. My gut feeling.

Jeff

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elHoagie

Tyrone,

I'm pretty sure you have the true D. ambositrae.  As Matt said, this palm has been sold as D. "kindreo", but it's identical to the palm labeled D. ambositrae at the Tsimbazaza in Madagascar.

Jack

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elHoagie

(Jeff Searle @ Dec. 06 2006,14:03)

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Greg,

    I honestly did not remember if this has a heel or not. I have a sneaky feeling that it might get one at some point in time. My gut feeling.

Jeff

Mine all have a heel....

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Jeff Searle

(Matt in SD @ Dec. 06 2006,12:31)

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Tyrone, that palm looks very similar to the palm going around now as Dypsis 'kindreo'.  I have a 'kindreo' and also an onilahensis that Steve posted the photo of these two are pretty hard to tell apart (I'm not even convinced yet that they are actually different palms).  I really don't know what either of these is going to grow up to look like.  Bruno once posted a photo of 'kindreo' and it looked very much like onilahensis.

I'm curious with the onilahensis currently coming from Floribunda.  I've heard (I think here) that Jeff Marcus is certain that these are onilahensis.  Does anyone know if the seed came off of his tree (I'm pretty sure he has a seeding onilahensis)?  

Matt

Matt,

I also got some seed with the name Kindreo. These are turning out just like the ones in the pics. They are most certaintly not D. onilahensis in my opinion.

Jeff

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Dypsisdean

I have seen the name 'Kindreo' used for several Dypsis through the years.

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Alberto

(Tyrone @ Dec. 06 2006,07:50)

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Another angle.

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These ones seem to be getting a tillering root too. If they're not the real deal they're something I don't have yet.

The only thing I can say is that´s certainly not the ´´faky´´ambositrae!! :)

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Jeff Searle

Alberto,

It looks like the real deal. :D

Jeff

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Tyrone

Well, the concensus seems to point to my plants being the real deal most likely. Super.

Now I'll just have to grow them all up and get them seeding, and get them into wider cultivation. See you in a few years.  :)

regards

Tyrone

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neoflora

Kindro is a local name. It represent many species. I got some seed a number of years ago as D. kindreo. It is not D. ambositrae. I saw a larger palm in Tana in Alfred's nursery. It looked like a thin leaf D. onilahensis. Very recurved leaflets. Very ornamental. Many things thru the years have been sold with this name. I presently have both D. kindreo & D. ambositrae. John Dransfield and Henk Beentje gave us a road map. That will need some revision. Mardy Darian gave us the inspiration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, Ron

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Utopia Palms

(Steve from San Diego @ Dec. 04 2006,20:45)

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(MattyB @ Dec. 04 2006,12:03)

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So Steve (in SD), Since I know you've also got some of those D. onilahensis that came from Floribunda this year, do you think that they look like your D. ambositrae when it was young?

Matty B and Matt, Unfotunately while the palms I got from floribunda as D. Onilahensis are extremely beautifull and something differant their just another Dypsis mystery and in no way resemble the palms in this post. In fact the only things they share in common is their both Dypsis and they have a heel. The palm I have when it was small looked like a strange D. Decipiens with recurved fronds and very narrow almost overlapping leaflets. The other differance was the newest petiole and new spear were bright red. The palms I recently got from Floribunda have a much more upright growth habit and a significant space between the leaflets also of the 10 or so that I have none have shown any red coloration, only purple, lavender to almost hot pink. Whatever these turn out to be their gonna be awesome. Here is a pic of one of mine shortly after I recieved them. Steve

These same looking palms were sold in Australia they were sold as wild collected D.ambositrae,I have some in 10" pots now and they look more like a form of D.baronii time will tell, and we are all used to waiting for things to  grow so this is another one to keep our eyes on over the next few years. :P

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