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Jubaeopsis caffra - Pondoland Palm

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FRITO

I have a nice size 7 gallon. I plan on taking with me to a warmer place so I can plant it in the ground.

What is the climate like in Pondoland South Africa?

Anyone have these in South Florida? What about the tropics?

Here is one in Foster Botanical garden in Hawaii zone 11. I guess it grows fine, or is that the Hawaiian Gods keeping it alive?

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Does this Hybridize with other cocoid Palms? Like Queens or Butia? Anyone ever tried this cross? :drool:

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merrill

Hi, Luke:

Jubaeopsis has a phenomenal number of chromosomes. A cytogeneticist at the UF suggested that it was even possible that Jubaeopsis was an aggregation of clones, which basically multiplied asexually. There have been attempts [all unsuccessful apparently] to hybridize Jubaeopsis

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merrill

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DoomsDave

Dang, Luke, looks like them Hawaiians're being bad sports about their bandwidth! Whatever happened to Mi bandwidth e su bandwidth!?

Here's a pic of one in Pauleen Sullivan's place in Ventura:

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Tyrone

All I see is unauthorized access signs. No pics. What the hell is happening?????????????? :rant::bemused:

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Don

Dang, Luke, looks like them Hawaiians're being bad sports about their bandwidth! Whatever happened to Mi bandwidth e su bandwidth!?

Here's a pic of one in Pauleen Sullivan's place in Ventura:

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This can't be good.

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palmcurry

I have a nice size 7 gallon. I plan on taking with me to a warmer place so I can plant it in the ground.

What is the climate like in Pondoland South Africa?

Anyone have these in South Florida? What about the tropics?

Here is one in Foster Botanical garden in Hawaii zone 11. I guess it grows fine, or is that the Hawaiian Gods keeping it alive?

palmbob_1086648599_769.jpg

Does this Hybridize with other cocoid Palms? Like Queens or Butia? Anyone ever tried this cross? :drool:

Frito,

Ive been interested in this species recently. Looking at the R.Rifle book, it says this palm prefers a more Mediterranean climate to a tropical one. But if they are growing good in Hawaii I'd imagine they would grow good near Miami. Hopefully Jeff chimes in on this one. On the other hand, I've seen pictures of Dypsis baronii doing really well in HI yet I've heard baronii grow poorly in the hotter parts of FL. Maybe it is the Hawaiian gods.

Can you post a pic of your 7gal.?

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Eric in Orlando

I don't know about SoFL but they will grow in central and north FL. I beleive Ed still has one in Jacksonville and there used to be a nice clump at Kopsick in St. Petersburg until ganoderma killed it. We have a young one out here and a couple more to plant.

Here was the Kopsick specimen, growing at the base of several Cocos

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PalmGuyWC

All of the nice, well grown Jubaeopsis I've seen are growing in S. Calif. They do like a warm Med. climate. They struggle in N. Calif. where it's to cool, and S. Fla where it's to hot, but not to say they can't be grown there. The one, now diseased, growing at Kopsick was the nicest one I've seen in Florida. I think St Peat got just enough cool to keep it happy. To bad ganoderma got to it and killed it.

Dick

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FRITO

Thanks everyoen for the comments, I forgot about the one at Kopsick in St. Pete. It's a shame its gone now.

Daves Garden has photo issues. Dave, it's not the Hawaiians , its Daves Garden website! Maybe I can provide the link since I can't imbed the Image! Hawaiian Pondoland Palm

Vince, I lost my digital cam in the creek, I will have to find a new one before I can post pics.

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DoomsDave

Here's a pic of specimens in habitat.

Hopefully no bitchery this time.

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cfkingfish

I have this palm growing in my backyard, slow but happy. Not the same climate as SE FL, but it is SW FL.

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edbrown_III

I saw some growig in Durban --- which is pretty tropical ----- theres a large one in Port Elizabeth which aint tropical ------ It might be some Florida diseases that are decisive in its survival ---- I have mine all covered up so I cant really shoot a photo----definitely zone 10 --- I have no illusions about its survival up this far norht but I have kept it alive for a dozen years or so --- up against the house.

Best regards

Ed

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paulgila

bradford get a pic of the HUGE jubeopsis at the catamaran for this thread!

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MattyB

eyey catman

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PalmGuyWC

There is another nice one at the Hyatt or Marriot Newporter, or what ever the hotel is. We had a biennial there once. Someone get a pic of that one. There are a lot of nice palms on the hotel grounds.

Dick

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MattyB

I was at the Catamaran today for a work related activity (WRA), which I quickly parlayed into a Palm Related Activity (PRA).

Here's some of the hugemongusoidalicious Jubeopsis caffra.

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Robert Pittman

The one at Kopsick is gone? I can't believe it. I saw the palm less than a year ago and it looked fine. It was flowering not that long ago. What a tragedy.

Rob Pittman

www.aqualityplant.com

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Perito

There is another nice one at the Hyatt or Marriot Newporter, or what ever the hotel is. We had a biennial there once. Someone get a pic of that one. There are a lot of nice palms on the hotel grounds.

Dick

Hi Dick,

It's the Hyatt Regency now. Here are a couple photos from about a year ago.

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Then here's another of the Catamaran Jubaeopsis, Night Shot.

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Perito

I just remembered I had these photos of Gary Woods J.c., photos from 9/2/06.

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BS Man about Palms

Perry, that is an AWESOME shot of the one at the Catamaran and shows well why it is my favorite. I LOVE the way the trunks are detailed.

Here is the OTHER big boy in So Cal from over a year ago. Its the one at the Beverly Hills Hilton, same place they hold the Golden Globes. But in this pic it shows Kim, avb and Palmgrover... :P

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This is also only part of the palm. It has a back side and also "others".

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PalmGuyWC

I have a small Jubaeopsis about 4' high that was planted in the summer of 2006, just before the cold winter of '07. I protected it that cold winter with a sheet thrown over a frame and a couple of 100w lights with reflectors. Since then it has been on its own. There are some taller plants around it which give it some protection, but it has taken down to at least 25F with no damage, but probably no frost on the fronds. Mine doesn't get enough sun and it only grows about 1 and 1/2 fronds a year. I expect they would grow in Oakland or Berkeley, but maybe a little to cool for them in San Francisco. I'm surprised there aren't more growing in S. Calif.

Dick

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paulgila

looks like socal rules the jubaeopsis world. B)

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Alicehunter2000

Sounds to me like no one knows the limits of this palms cold-hardiness. If one is growing in Jacksonville then it probably would have experienced 9a temps. Doesn't South Africa get pretty cold?

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Alicehunter2000

A quick search shows Jungle Music has some for sale.

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BS Man about Palms

I sold/donated one at our last palm society auction.

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PalmGuyWC

I found mine at the S. Florida palm sale at Fairchild. I was leaving the sale and saw it sitting in the middle of a path. I suspect someone had pulled it out from the sales area and then reconsidered when they saw the price tag. I scooped that baby up so fast there was a whoosh of fronds. I think I paid $150 for it and then another $150 for shipping it by Fed X by air. I had been looking for one for years and was really surprised to find one in Florida. It was a perfectly grown plant in a 3 gal pot. It was root bound, so I moved it to a larger container when it got to Calif. I kept it in the pot for several years and would move it under overhead protection in the winter. It grew much faster for me in the container, but I could move it around to get maximum sun in the winter and then under lathe in the summer.

I finally planted it, but the growth slowed down in my cool clay soil, and it doesn't get enough sun where it is now. I knew if I planted it in the open that it probably wouldn't survive my cold winters.

Dick

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oliver

You guys in SoCal are just so proud of yourselves growing J. caffer. Anything to convince yourselves that you can actually have something that looks like a "Real" coconut. BTW, Jubaeopsis and Cocos nucifera both grow in South Texas.

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Perito

You guys in SoCal are just so proud of yourselves growing J. caffer. Anything to convince yourselves that you can actually have something that looks like a "Real" coconut. BTW, Jubaeopsis and Cocos nucifera both grow in South Texas.

Yeah, you'll have a big Jubaeopsis in about..........never.

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Tyrone

Impossible to find over here. I have 4 I germinated myself and they're at 4 leaf stage in pots at the moment sitting next to my coconut palm. They would have been getting well over 40C in there this summer and loving it. The only other person I know of with these in West Oz is the friend of mine that got the other ones I germinated. My ones will go into my future front courtyard, along with my other coconut look alikes and of course my Golden Dwarf Malay.

Best regards

Tyrone

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tjwalters

I was at the Catamaran today for a work related activity (WRA), which I quickly parlayed into a Palm Related Activity (PRA).

Has there ever been a PRA on the PRA?

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sarasota alex

You guys in SoCal are just so proud of yourselves growing J. caffer. Anything to convince yourselves that you can actually have something that looks like a "Real" coconut. BTW, Jubaeopsis and Cocos nucifera both grow in South Texas.

And in Florida we grow coconuts to convince ourselves that we can grow something that looks like a Jubaeopsis :lol:

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oliver
And in Florida we grow coconuts to convince ourselves that we can grow something that looks like a Jubaeopsis

Cummon Alex! - nothing better than sitting in your back yard, overlooking a coconut with your dinner guests, and saying - yah - we live in paradise! - not so for the guys in Socal who have to look at a 2 ft, 3 leaf shrub and say - "maybe in 75 or 100 years this thing will actually look like a coconut tree - or 3 beside each other."

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Al in Kona

Hey, I've got a rather small Jubaeopsis caffra growing here in a triangle shared with 2-Cocos nucifera. Problem is it is planted a bit too close to the Cocos and there is some serious root competiton with the agressive roots of the two Cocos close by, plus Monstera and other shrubs. Here's a pic of it.

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BS Man about Palms

You guys in SoCal are just so proud of yourselves growing J. caffer. Anything to convince yourselves that you can actually have something that looks like a "Real" coconut. BTW, Jubaeopsis and Cocos nucifera both grow in South Texas.

Yeah, you'll have a big Jubaeopsis in about..........never.

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Eric in Orlando

And in Florida we grow coconuts to convince ourselves that we can grow something that looks like a Jubaeopsis

Cummon Alex! - nothing better than sitting in your back yard, overlooking a coconut with your dinner guests, and saying - yah - we live in paradise! - not so for the guys in Socal who have to look at a 2 ft, 3 leaf shrub and say - "maybe in 75 or 100 years this thing will actually look like a coconut tree - or 3 beside each other."

and around here we have to grow queen and mule palms since Cocos and Jubaeopsis are borderline ! Well now it appears Beccariophoenix will also make a good substitute in our climate.

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freakypalmguy

And in Florida we grow coconuts to convince ourselves that we can grow something that looks like a Jubaeopsis

Cummon Alex! - nothing better than sitting in your back yard, overlooking a coconut with your dinner guests, and saying - yah - we live in paradise! - not so for the guys in Socal who have to look at a 2 ft, 3 leaf shrub and say - "maybe in 75 or 100 years this thing will actually look like a coconut tree - or 3 beside each other."

Cococonuts may not grow in Cali, but they are as common as dirt in many places. Jubeopsis is truely a rare gem. That's the where the fascination for this palm comes from.

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yachtingone

And in Florida we grow coconuts to convince ourselves that we can grow something that looks like a Jubaeopsis

Cummon Alex! - nothing better than sitting in your back yard, overlooking a coconut with your dinner guests, and saying - yah - we live in paradise! - not so for the guys in Socal who have to look at a 2 ft, 3 leaf shrub and say - "maybe in 75 or 100 years this thing will actually look like a coconut tree - or 3 beside each other."

Cococonuts may not grow in Cali, but they are as common as dirt in many places. Jubeopsis is truely a rare gem. That's the where the fascination for this palm comes from.

Alex????????????You know here in S. California we consider Washingtonia robusta weeds.They are all over the place and reproduce like crazy. So it's no big deal to see them! I feel the same way about YOUR coconut trees where you live! Common as dirt and no big deal!!! Btw Washingtonia robusta is a very popular palm with the Texans and with the people in Florida too!

My 2 cents. Regards, Randy

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sarasota alex

And in Florida we grow coconuts to convince ourselves that we can grow something that looks like a Jubaeopsis

Cummon Alex! - nothing better than sitting in your back yard, overlooking a coconut with your dinner guests, and saying - yah - we live in paradise! - not so for the guys in Socal who have to look at a 2 ft, 3 leaf shrub and say - "maybe in 75 or 100 years this thing will actually look like a coconut tree - or 3 beside each other."

Cococonuts may not grow in Cali, but they are as common as dirt in many places. Jubeopsis is truely a rare gem. That's the where the fascination for this palm comes from.

Alex????????????You know here in S. California we consider Washingtonia robusta weeds.They are all over the place and reproduce like crazy. So it's no big deal to see them! I feel the same way about YOUR coconut trees where you live! Common as dirt and no big deal!!! Btw Washingtonia robusta is a very popular palm with the Texans and with the people in Florida too!

My 2 cents. Regards, Randy

Randy, I was actually just poking fun at Oliver's previous comment. Please see above. I think being able to see palms around is a big deal to begin with, being that I spent most of my life where they don't really grow.

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FRITO

Matty and Perry, thanks for sharing these great pics of mature specimens in S. California.

Can anyone collect pollen from these and distribute it to the hybridizers? IE; Patrick Schaffer, Mark Heath, FreakypalmGuy, Maybe Scott in Tampa's slutty Butia can Take some too? :blink:

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BS Man about Palms

Matty and Perry, thanks for sharing these great pics of mature specimens in S. California.

So what am I and my picture of the other one, chopped liver? :blink:

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