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Tala

This event an odd one for duration alone, overall lows perfectly within normal range. The two consecutive freezes happened for only 2nd time in my 16 yrs of growing here; and immediately following that was three consecutive freezes, that a new one; one night of 12 hrs at/below 32f following a daytime high of 36f also a record for here. The stats:

12th - 29f, radiational - heavy frost, 2 hrs

11th - 28f, advective - light frost, 9 hrs

10th - 29f, advective - no frost, 12 hrs

8th - 30f, radiational - light frost, - 3 hrs

7th - 31f, advective - no frost, - 3 hrs

NO DAMAGE

Acrocomia totai, Allagoptera arenaria, Archontophoenix cunninghamiana (2), Archontophoenix maxima

Arenga engleri, Arenga micrantha, Bismarckia nobilis (2), Brahea brandegeei, Butia capitata

Butyagrus hybrid, Chamaedora tepejilote, Chamaedorea metallica, Chamaedorea microspadix (2)

Chamaedorea plumosa, Chuniophoenix hainanensis, Chuniophoenix nana, Coccothrinax argentata (Fl.)

Coccothrinax borhidiana, Coccothrinax brevicrinis, Coccothrinax crinita, Coccothrinax inaguensis

Coccothrinax miraguama var. roseocarpa, Coccothrinax spissa, Copernicia alba, Copernicia baileyana

Copernicia gigas, Copernicia hospita, Copernicia macroglossa (2), Cryosophila warscewiczii

Dypsis decipiens (2), Howea forsteriana, Kerriodoxa elegans (2), Leucothrinax morrisii (2)

Livistona australis, Livistona decora, Livistona jenkinsiana, Livistona mariae

Livistona nitida, Livistona rigida, Lytocaryum weddellianum, Nannorrhops ritchiana

Phoenix canariensis, Phoenix loureirii, Phoenix reclinata, Phoenix roebelenii

Phoenix rupicola, Phoenix sylvestris, Pseudophoenix sargentii (Fl.) (2)

Rhapidophyllum hystrix, Rhapis excelsa Tenzan, Rhapis humilis, Sabal causiarum

Sabal domingensis, Sabal minor var. Louisiana, Sabal minor var. Tamaulipas, Sabal uresana

Sabal yapa, Serenoa repens (white), Syagrus romanzoffiana (2), Thrinax excelsa

Trachycarpus latisectus, Wallichia oblongifolia (densiflora), Washingtonia 'filibusta' hybrid

Burretiokentia hapala, Hyphaene compressa, Brahea armata 15g, Tahina spectabilis 1g, Bactrisa setosa 7g (protected)

Borassus FTG hybrid 7g (protected), Calyptronoma rivalis 3g (protected), Jubaeopsis caffra 5g (protected)

Pritchardia affinis 1g (protected), Syagrus botryophora 3g (protected), Syagrus ruschiana 3g (protected)

Bambusa mutabilis, Bambusa oldhamii

Bowenia serrulata, Ceratozamia hildae, Ceratozamia kuesteriana, Dioon edule, Dioon spinulosum

Encephalartos ferox, Macrozamia communis, Zamia inermis, Zamia vasquezii

MINOR DAMAGE (- 10%)

Allagoptera caudescens, Areca triandra, Arenga caudata, Attalea speciosa

Caryota maxima, Coccothrinax argentata hybrid unk., Coccothrinax scoparia

Copernicia yarey, Cryosophila stauracantha, Licuala spinosa

Livistona victoriae, Sabal mauritiiformis, Archontophoenix myolensis

Archontophoenix purpurea, Archontophoenix tuckeri, Copernicia cowellii

Licuala ramsayi, Livistona inermis

Bambusa 'Alphonse Karr' (sp.)?

Pandanus utilis (dropped leaves only)

MODERATE DAMAGE (-50%)

Acrocomia crispa, Aiphanes horrida, Arenga tremula, Attalea butyracea

Caryota obtusa, Dypsis mahajanga, Hyophorbe verschaffeltia, Livistona rotundifolia X saribus

Roystonea borinqueana, Syagrus amara, Wodyetia bifurcata, Chambeyronia macrocarpa

Kentiopsis oliviformis, Livistona carinensis, Reinhardtia latisectus, Satakentia liukiuensis

Cycas thouarsii

Bambusa lako

MAJOR DAMAGE (+50%)

Arenga pinnata, Astrocaryum mexicanum, Beccariophoenix 'windows', Caryota mitis

Corypha umbraculifera (3g), Dypsis ankaizinensis, Dypsis decaryi, Elaeis guineensis

Hyophorbe spindle X bottle, Hyphaene coriacea, Licuala grandis, Pinanga kuhlii

Ptychosperma burretianum, Ptychosperma macarthurii, Ravenea glauca, Ravenea rivularis

Syagrus coronata, Syargsu costae hybrid, Thrinax parviflora, Wallichia disticha

Zombia antillarum

Cycas angulata

Bambusa 'Wamin'

DEFOLIATED

Bismarckia nobilis (not reproductive), Corypha utan

Thrinax radiata, Veitchia winin

No pics of everything, heres a few to kind of summarize things.

Wallichia disticha far right, behind it Syagrus costae hybrid, left is Beccariophoenix. These barely had any tip burn until the 5th, final freeze w/ heavy frost. Good cold tolerance but no frost tolerance - the latter a very rare thing indeed.

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Beccariophoenix 'windows' - had defoliated at 25f lows, always comes back

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only spotty damage to Sy amara, Astrocaryum mexicanum hit bad but should be OK, has seen worse

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big female Bis, under it a torched Veitchia winin

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lower view, undamaged Leucothrinax, slightly damaged Ravenea glauca, Wallichia, Beccario, these turned for the worse as days went by

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into the sun ... L to R: Liv mariae, Acrocomia totai, Mule palm all fine - torched Bambusa 'wamin', pistillate Bis in background

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close-up of Copernicia baileyana, dark blotches have faded away. Lots of very cold tolerant palms exhibit this trait incl. various Trachycarpus & Livistona, also observed it on Dypsis decipiens

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shot of the front, massive Corypha & Bismarckia 'wimpy' are defoliated. But lots of green in there as well, if you squint hard enough.

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Gotta luv live oaks - Cham tepejilote in front of undamaged Monstera, burnt palm in back is Thrinax parviflora - no brown until a wk later! Not even oak canopy can help in advective cold.

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Tala

heres some Thrinax for your viewing pleasure. Praise be to the phylogenist who pulled morrisii from these mortal wussies.

The big winner is excelsa, undamaged in open!

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this parviflora was under oak canopy, starting showing damage after rains a wk later.

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hard to believe that radiata grows on mainland, yikes - bud damage as well; it has been "bud hardy" coming back from temps as low as 23f but now that growth bud is above ground it's time here may be short ...

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Tala

disparaging Dypsis

this is ankaizinensis, most likely a form of common madagascariensis.

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next up mahajanga, another form of mada. This performed noticeably better than above brethren.

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good ol' standby decaryi, tons of tip burn. I get but 6 fronds per yr from this one, but has always returned just fine. One issue is the cracks in the stem, the old leaf bases will hold moisture up against the wood which in turn rots the outer layer causing cracks & divots.

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left these 2 decipiens out in middle of the back, no worries about them even as small 5g containers. As they age I figure they'll surpass native Pseudophoenix sargentii has most cold hardy crownshaft palm.

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Rafael

My experience was, in a month, two -3,8ºC, one -2,6ºC, and a couple at -1,5ºC.

Two non back to back nights with heavy frost, two others with light frost.

My archontophoenix, wich i thought was cunninghamiana (but maybe is an hybrid), 100% burned, however spear's base stills green (you can find the topic down here).

I only understand this behaviour considering it as an hybrid, not a cunninghamiana...

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Tala

can't beat the natives. Pseudo sargentii on left, Cocco argentata on right - they cruised thru the cold.

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among the nice surprises Cocco inaguensis from the Bahamas.

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Burretiokentia hapala looks good, now have to try viellardi.

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this Kerriodoxa in 3g pot, alittle beat up but mostly green. Also close relatives Chuniophoenix (both hainensis & nana) had no problems, as of course Nannorrhops as well.

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also left out one of my Tahina in 1g's, sister to Kerriodoxa I think. This might mean nothing but could mean something...

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Tala

Acrocomia (formerly Gastrococos) crispa. Only the ends are burned bad. This has been a real slow grower for me.

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little baby totai in 1g's. They laugh at this kind of cold. Many still pushing simple leaves up after a yr, gotta get Dr. Henderson to see this.

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another spiny palm Aiphanes horrida. Lousy pic, lots of green on it.

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on left are Cryosophila warscewiczii undamaged, on R is Caryota maxima some damage. These Cryo's have some potential!

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Crysophila stauracantha, helped by "wall heat" methinks. Only slight damage.

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Tala

This Hyophorbe spindle X bottle hybrid defoliated underneath a large Grapefruit tree; already in recovery mode, new frond emerging.

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This is Archonto maxima, no damage then or now.

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This Archonto myolensis. Not bad, only some tip burn.

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same for Kentiopsis oliviformis

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and Satakentia liukiuensis

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Tala

finally some Wodyetia, did better than Roystonea but not as well as Archontophoenix.

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even under heavy oak canopy Pinanga kuhlii leaves emerged, then turned brown.

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Ravenea glauca and Ravenea rivularis

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Pandanus utilis (I know not a palm but...) no damage to leaves but it threw tons of green leaves on the ground this past wk.

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Bambusa 'wamin' - yikes

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more Bamboo, these are cold hardy - mutabilis on L, note no low leaves just culms, and oldhamii on R. In between very tall Copernicia alba, undamaged of course. Defoliated Sea Grape in foreground.

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Tala

nice surprise here Areca triandra mixed in w/ Rhapis. Barely a mark on it, still holding seed as well.

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subterranean Attalea humilis, Chunio hainanensis in background.

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Brahea brandegeei in back, Copernicia macroglossa in front

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Allagoptera arenaria and Encephalartos ferox, both no problems.

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this Cocco borhidiana was beside the Wamin bamboo, looks good.

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Phoenix loureirii and rupicola, lucked out with it.

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BigBpalms

Thats a great collection Tala - what part of Orlando r u in ?

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Tala

Thats a great collection Tala - what part of Orlando r u in ?

I live a few miles away from Universal Studios, in the Dr. Phillips area. All that on a typical 1/4 acre lot as well; wish I had more room, to plant multiple specimens, somethings I have are dioecious but only planted one of them. Lots I would change if I could start over but it is what it is now.

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epicure3

Defoliated Sea Grape in foreground.

That makes me sad. It will come back, though.

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Davidl

Dave your stuff looks good for such cold temps and frost. You have some nice specimens. Is your big bismarkia seeding yet ?

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Tala

Defoliated Sea Grape in foreground.

That makes me sad. It will come back, though.

well some of it will - the top thinner portions of wood have already cracked open, those are dead for sure; my current plan is to cut it down about head hgt. , start this yr as a small tree. Its hard to get one up in the air when you're off the coasts. They remind me of the beach, its why I planted it.

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Tala

Dave your stuff looks good for such cold temps and frost. You have some nice specimens. Is your big bismarkia seeding yet ?

thanks David. Yes the female has been seeding for 3 yrs now - these are most certainly the northernmost fruiting Bis in Fla. I got lucky, bought her in Sarasota as a 7g, the male as a 7g from Rockledge a few yrs later. Both have been down to 23f with barely a blemish, the seedlings have inherited this as well - no damage to them, I leave'em out in citrus pots all winter. So I have guaranteed color & cold hardiness, no other place can match - as popular as they are someone else's will eventually do this up here, but for now mine are the champs. Little victories, thats what keeps me goin ...

Here's the male

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both

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Tala

This event an odd one for duration alone, overall lows perfectly within normal range. The two consecutive freezes happened for only 2nd time in my 16 yrs of growing here; and immediately following that was three consecutive freezes, that a new one; one night of 12 hrs at/below 32f following a daytime high of 36f also a record for here. The stats:

12th - 29f, radiational - heavy frost, 2 hrs

11th - 28f, advective - light frost, 9 hrs

10th - 29f, advective - no frost, 12 hrs

8th - 30f, radiational - light frost, - 3 hrs

7th - 31f, advective - no frost, - 3 hrs

NO DAMAGE

Acrocomia totai, Allagoptera arenaria, Archontophoenix cunninghamiana (2), Archontophoenix maxima

Arenga engleri, Arenga micrantha, Bismarckia nobilis (2), Brahea brandegeei, Butia capitata

Butyagrus hybrid, Chamaedora tepejilote, Chamaedorea metallica, Chamaedorea microspadix (2)

Chamaedorea plumosa, Chuniophoenix hainanensis, Chuniophoenix nana, Coccothrinax argentata (Fl.)

Coccothrinax borhidiana, Coccothrinax brevicrinis, Coccothrinax crinita, Coccothrinax inaguensis

Coccothrinax miraguama var. roseocarpa, Coccothrinax spissa, Copernicia alba, Copernicia baileyana

Copernicia gigas, Copernicia hospita, Copernicia macroglossa (2), Cryosophila warscewiczii

Dypsis decipiens (2), Howea forsteriana, Kerriodoxa elegans (2), Leucothrinax morrisii (2)

Livistona australis, Livistona decora, Livistona jenkinsiana, Livistona mariae

Livistona nitida, Livistona rigida, Lytocaryum weddellianum, Nannorrhops ritchiana

Phoenix canariensis, Phoenix loureirii, Phoenix reclinata, Phoenix roebelenii

Phoenix rupicola, Phoenix sylvestris, Pseudophoenix sargentii (Fl.) (2)

Rhapidophyllum hystrix, Rhapis excelsa Tenzan, Rhapis humilis, Sabal causiarum

Sabal domingensis, Sabal minor var. Louisiana, Sabal minor var. Tamaulipas, Sabal uresana

Sabal yapa, Serenoa repens (white), Syagrus romanzoffiana (2), Thrinax excelsa

Trachycarpus latisectus, Wallichia oblongifolia (densiflora), Washingtonia 'filibusta' hybrid

Burretiokentia hapala, Hyphaene compressa, Brahea armata 15g, Tahina spectabilis 1g, Bactrisa setosa 7g (protected)

Borassus FTG hybrid 7g (protected), Calyptronoma rivalis 3g (protected), Jubaeopsis caffra 5g (protected)

Pritchardia affinis 1g (protected), Syagrus botryophora 3g (protected), Syagrus ruschiana 3g (protected)

Bambusa mutabilis, Bambusa oldhamii

Bowenia serrulata, Ceratozamia hildae, Ceratozamia kuesteriana, Dioon edule, Dioon spinulosum

Encephalartos ferox, Macrozamia communis, Zamia inermis, Zamia vasquezii

MINOR DAMAGE (- 10%)

Allagoptera caudescens, Areca triandra, Arenga caudata, Attalea speciosa

Caryota maxima, Coccothrinax argentata hybrid unk., Coccothrinax scoparia

Copernicia yarey, Cryosophila stauracantha, Licuala spinosa

Livistona victoriae, Sabal mauritiiformis, Archontophoenix myolensis

Archontophoenix purpurea, Archontophoenix tuckeri, Copernicia cowellii

Licuala ramsayi, Livistona inermis

Bambusa 'Alphonse Karr' (sp.)?

Pandanus utilis (dropped leaves only)

MODERATE DAMAGE (-50%)

Acrocomia crispa, Aiphanes horrida, Arenga tremula, Attalea butyracea

Caryota obtusa, Dypsis mahajanga, Hyophorbe verschaffeltia, Livistona rotundifolia X saribus

Roystonea borinqueana, Syagrus amara, Wodyetia bifurcata, Chambeyronia macrocarpa

Kentiopsis oliviformis, Livistona carinensis, Reinhardtia latisectus, Satakentia liukiuensis

Cycas thouarsii

Bambusa lako

MAJOR DAMAGE (+50%)

Arenga pinnata, Astrocaryum mexicanum, Beccariophoenix 'windows', Caryota mitis

Corypha umbraculifera (3g), Dypsis ankaizinensis, Dypsis decaryi, Elaeis guineensis

Hyophorbe spindle X bottle, Hyphaene coriacea, Licuala grandis, Pinanga kuhlii

Ptychosperma burretianum, Ptychosperma macarthurii, Ravenea glauca, Ravenea rivularis

Syagrus coronata, Syagrus costae hybrid, Thrinax parviflora, Wallichia disticha

Zombia antillarum

Cycas angulata

Bambusa 'Wamin'

DEFOLIATED

Bismarckia nobilis (not reproductive), Corypha utan

Thrinax radiata, Veitchia winin

UPDATE (8 MONTHS LATER)

off the above lists every palm listed with no to moderate damage survived.

off the major damage list a 6 ft Ptychosperma burretianum died as did a small Licuala grandis. Pinanga kuhlii lost all large stems from 6 ft on down, but did regrow from roots.

off the defoliated list both Veitchia winin (10 ft) and Thrinax radiata (6 ft) died.

Several oddities: a large 15 y/o mature Caryota mitis began flowering on every single stem incl. the newest ones approx. 1 yr aged. A mature near 20 y/o Washingtonia 'filibusta' died due to crown rot, this no doubt a result of the prolonged wet cold even tho' low temps stayed in high 20's. And a mature Hyphaene coriacea appears to have lost its two largest stems, again due to excess wet cold. Small stems have pushed out leaves so the palm itself is not dead.

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TropicalDude

Yesturday drove past the nursery on Judge Rd. (north of KMCO aiport) and saw a lot of foxtails or royals (couldn't real tell) with dark chocolate brown fronds. They seemed to be around 15' tall with good sized trunks.

A few days after last month's freeze (the really annoying one w/ 25mph gusts) I passed by Sea World and saw Foxtails in the open w/ parts of fronds already dark brown. Also a Cocos barely hanging on with very short trimmed/stunted? leaves coming with some green. Hard to tell it was a cocos, the trunk 10-15' is mostly all that's left. I doubt it survives this winter, especially if they keep cutting trimming the damage prematurely. The large Royals nearby had signs of damage, but some closer to the pond by the Cocos looked completely green.

Those Sea World Foxtails in the open now probably look really bad after the last freeze with frost. Ouch!

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TropicalDude

The large Malayan Coconut at Leu Gardens with about 10' of trunk is done, despite having survived last winter. This in an area with some canopy protection and with a lake not far away. They planted a new one next to it that already looks damaged. One of the tall varieties might last longer than another Malayan..

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MOlivera

I bought a couple of Dave's Acrocomia Totai last spring. This winter i had two nights of 20F and 21F. Plants were potted up from 1 gallon to 5 gallon. I just covered them with sheets. No trees overhead for protection. The neighbors Queen palms that have approx. 15 ft. of clear trunk were totally defoliated. The Acrocomia's did not even have tip burn and had no pulled spears! There were several other nights that were below freezing, i believe i covered them up those nights also. Very impressed with their cold tolerance.

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palmsOrl

I might have to try one of those Acrocomias, if I can find a large enough space for a mature one. My winter fatalities as of March 1 are as follows:

1 foot Veitchia winin(finally gave up after this winter)

8 foot Prestoea acuminata (badly damaged last winter, was pencil-pointing and finally died last month)

4 foot Guassia maya (may survive, can't tell yet)

12-14 foot Areca triandra (survived for a number of years, this winter took it out)

4 foot Ptychosperma microcarpum (just planted this last year, was that smart?)

5 foot Foxy Lady (another planted last year, trunk solid but no green foliage, probably will pull through, not impressed with cold hardiness)

9 foot Dypsis cabadae (small suckers at base look dead, main large trunk has several oozing, necrotic lesions, not too hopeful)

8" Sabal etonia (in a pot, may have died from drying out too much, not sure)

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