Neoveitchia

[Mandrew968]

If this palm is so closely related to the carpoxylon, then why is the carpoxylon easy to germinate and the neoveitchia really tough? I can speak to the ease of carpoxylon, but have been warned about neoveitchias being a tough germinator, and have thus been hesitant to try...

[MattyB]

I had 0% germination rate with fresh collected seeds.

[Mandrew968]

Fairchild

[ariscott]

Yep... I have 3.... germinated by a friend... and he germinated them as they fell off his tree....

Regards, Ari

[Mandrew968]

That's good to hear--I wonder if most seed just doesn't get pollinated...

[PalmatierMeg]

I took some photos of my Neoveitchia, which has somehow survived 2 winters in my shade garden. It still hasn't gone pinnate but looks fabulous anyway.

Frond

Spear

[Mandrew968]

I second that!

[Moose]

I took some photos of my Neoveitchia, which has somehow survived 2 winters in my shade garden. It still hasn't gone pinnate but looks fabulous anyway.

Frond

Spear

Very, very nice Meg!

[hanapalms]

I was able to germinate four of six seeds that I picked off the ground under a mature tree. If my computer cooperates, here's three in the ground now:

Hey, it worked.

[PalmatierMeg]

I should take more photos of my Neo - and will. But I have a question. How cold sensitive is Neoveitchia? Recently I was told that this palm is grown in central FL where winters definitely fall below freezing. Can someone elaborate for me?

[Palmə häl′ik]

...maybe around a heated pool

I can't see it makin' it up here "eau de naturale" though...

...so dreamy though.

~Ray.

[Palmə häl′ik]

then again, it could make it in Pinellas Co. on the water, or near the water...

~Ray.

[Mandrew968]

Meg, if this palm has made it through your last two brutal winters, then I would say it is less cold sensitive than any of us initially thought!

[Tomw]

Does anyone have any personal cold temperature data for this plant? I know that there is one at the Ann Norton Sculpture Gardens and the last couple of winters we have had freezes, but due to it’s location it’s hard to make assumptions as to it’s cold tolerance. Reason being is that it’s in area that is under heavy cover and very close to the intercostal water way, so this may put it in a micro clement.

[Moose]

These are reposts of my Neoveitchia storckii from earlier in this thread taken June 4, 2009.

Here is the same palm in the ground taken this morning. Did fine with the 2010 winter. It is fairly shaded (probably aided it with cold protection) leaning towards the light.

[realarch]

Meg, your N. storckii's do look fabulous!

After planting mine back in October of '08, (so it's been 31/2 years now), it took awhile for them to get established. I thought they were going to be a slow

grow and they were for about 2years but have now picked up speed and are finally becoming a presence in the front yard. They have been in light to medium shade for

most of that time and are probably ready for more sun. The tree providing canopy is ready to be severely pruned back and I imagine they will grow even

faster.

Just after planting in '08, from 3 gal. containers

Early Feb. 2012

[ariscott]

hhmmm.... I'd better plant mine....

[Dr. George]

We planted out 3 of 15 gal size in Fall of 2008 (2 of which are seen below):

Neoveitchia on the far left and on the far right

Then 3 years later, Fall 2011:

Then we got these humungous yellow seeds:

(Just mess'in with you again Tim - that's a Pomello from the tree adjacent to the Neoveitchia).

gmp

[realarch]

gmp, I thought you were messin with me until I found this under my larger N. storckii. Wow, I'm glad I wasn't standing under it.

[Dr. George]

gmp, I thought you were messin with me until I found this under my larger N. storckii. Wow, I'm glad I wasn't standing under it.

touché - gmp

[Eric in Orlando]

I planted 2 out here a few weeks ago, about the same size as in Meg's photos.

How tender are they, compared to say Cocos or Hyophorbe lagenicaulis? Both were planted in protected locations.

The 2 I planted out in summer 2009 were killed in the cold winter of 2009-10. I still had one in the greenhouse and planted it out in summer 2010. It survived the winter of 2010-11 which was another cold one but not as bad as the previous one. Last sumeer the first few fronds came out stunted but then it resumed normal growth. No damage after this warm winter so hopefully it puts out some good growth this year.

[CharlieM]

gmp, I thought you were messin with me until I found this under my larger N. storckii. Wow, I'm glad I wasn't standing under it.

i saw one of these near my storckii, I think they are responsible for the seeds

[Dr. George]

gmp, I thought you were messin with me until I found this under my larger N. storckii. Wow, I'm glad I wasn't standing under it.

i saw one of these near my storckii, I think they are responsible for the seeds

Ummm... Charley... you have the wrong "Storkii".

But if they have been partying around Tim's garden too, you may be on to something. Just sayin.

gmp

[Lowey]

mine is 20 feet tall and seeds all the time, germination is very iratic but I get some to sprout

[aussiearoids]

Bewdy Bruce the seedling you gave me is looking very good thanks

[fan palm]

mine is also going great Bruce! each new leaf is almost trice the size as the previous! still not pinnate though...

[Lowey]

Michael, Harry, its good to here their doing well

[Tomw]

I’ll just have to find room in my yard for one of these, they are so beautiful!

[Mandrew968]

This is mine.

[GMann]

I never understood why Neoveitchias never made it into cultivation rather fast much like Veitchias did. I know they are a bit rarer, but grow fast, and maybe need a tad more heat.

Perhaps it is because they need a lot of water and they require shade when young but then will open up a large canopy when they are mature. So where do you plant them? Who has a spot in their garden that is in shade but is also roomy enough to fit such a wide canopy?

That being said, I am thinking of trying to plant one of these. I have a spot in my garden that is tucked in between the neighbors wall and a huge Sabal Palm on my property. The closer I plant it to the Sabal Palm the more shade it will get, but the more the two palms will run into each other as the Neoveitchia grows. I am thinking of planting it about 10 feet from the Sabal, which will put it in shade for about 50% of the day, though during the hottest part of the day when the sun is overhead, it will be in direct sun.

Is it worthwhile to fork out the $150 for a 10 g. Neoveitchia? Or is it too difficult to grow successfully in the conditions I described? I have sandy soil but I can keep the spot pretty wet.

[edric]

Is everyone aware there are two species in Neoveitchia now, Ed

[NApalm]

No! Do tell

[comic097]

All ears Ed

[Jeff Searle]

I get literally hundreds of seed of of my trees and yet still no germination. This next batch will go on bottom heat and we'll see if that helps some.

[GMann]

This is the other species:

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Neoveitchia_brunnea

Looks like a coconut.

[Mandrew968]

Is everyone aware there are two species in Neoveitchia now, Ed

Really?!

[edric]

And there is another Adonidia now as well, Ed

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Adonidia_maturbongsii

[doranakandawatta]

Many thanks Edric,

Is already Wallaceodoxa in Palmpedia too?

Looking forward to seeing nice pics and getting seeds as well

[Mandrew968]

And there is another Adonidia now as well, Ed

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Adonidia_maturbongsii

There supposedly is but not that one...

[realarch]

I've only seen the 'other' Neoveitchia in photos, so it's hard to judge, but storckii seems to be much more attractive. I'll stick with storckii for now.

I'll post an update this afternoon, wow, it's already been three years since my pics in #56.

Tim