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I never understood why Neoveitchias never made it into cultivation rather fast much like Veitchias did. I know they are a bit rarer, but grow fast, and maybe need a tad more heat. Their cold tolerance seems to fit right in with Veitchia, not only from existing plant reports, but the fact that it comes from the same area as Veitchia, Carpoxylon, and Licuala grandis.

Does anyone even have a picture of N. brunnei?

Jeff, I have a picture of your seeding specimen, but I'll let you do the posting! I am sure you are familiar with this particular one (lower leaflets showing Wilma damage):

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bgl

Christian,

Neoveitchia storckii is a great looking palm, and I just happened to take this picture yesterday.

Bo-Göran

But I don't have any N. brunnei! Wish I did :(

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spockvr6

I would love to try one of these palms in a protected spot of my yard.  But......they seem very hard to find.

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Matt in SD

I'm not scared to plant one...someone just needs to send me one.  I have wondered before whether anyone has planted on of these in SoCal before.  

Are these closely related to Satakentia?  They sure look similar.

Matt

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FossilNypa

Is someone selling or trading Neoveitchia storckii seeds!?

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cfkingfish

Matt-

They are in the same subfamily as Clinostigma and Carpoxylon. Carpoxylon and Neoveitchia seeds look very similar.

I don't know the supply out West, but down here I have one gallon plants, and I am sure Jeff Searle has larger ones.

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Hollywood Palms

Well, If I could get a 2 to 5 gallon, I would try it here. I have a nice warm spot for it. This or a hurricane palm.

David

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The Germinator

Dave, I thought Silver Lake was the Swish Alps ?

I would love to put one of these in my yard, any SOCAL suppliers?

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RainForestt Robert

I would like to plant a grove like Bo's but don't have any seed.  Any available out there?  Temps are not a problem for me!

Robert

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Morabeza

Bo-Göran what fantastic reins you have on that Neoveitchia! :D

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redant

I love the palm but when I researched it all the info lead me to believe it was way to tropical for my part of town. Maybe I should reconsider.

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PalmGuyWC

Hey guys,

I was just down in S. Florida and Paul Drummond in South Miami has a Noeveitchia growing in his jungle in partial shade.  I think they look better growing in partial shade.  The ones growing in S. Fla. in full sun look a little pale.

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spockvr6

(cfkingfish @ Nov. 30 2006,01:28)

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I don't know the supply out West, but down here I have one gallon plants, and I am sure Jeff Searle has larger ones.

Got any pics to post?

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Ortanique

Neoveitchia's are no doubt a beautiful palm - like most other Fijian species (ok - now which palm is ugly huh??)

To Christian's initial question - why it is not seen much in cultivation - here are some wild guesses:

1. Could it be the availability of seeds? I am not so sure about that one. Because Jeff Marcus has had this on his list for ages - indicating continued availability of plants. I now have a steady supply of these seeds. So i am not sure if availability of seeds itself a problem.

2. The only other some-what related problem i can think of is the germination technique that this species needs. Germinating Neovetichia seeds is not like germinating a Phoenix, Bismarckia or even Hyophorbe seeds. For those of you who germinate a lot of seeds - you can see that the last example is progressively difficult. Phoenix is easy. Bismarckia is easy too - but a bit more difficult than Phoenix's. Some hyopherbe's are easy - but lagenicaulis is a tough cookie - definitely a lot tougher than Bismarcks. Neovetichia can be placed in the same class as lagenicaulis - from a germination perspective. While not as difficult as Lemurophoenix, Voanioala,  Acrocomia or Phytelaphas for that matter - it definitely needs patience and the right environment. Probably a fair amount of heat will do the trick. So - those of you with heatiing pads or live in naturally hot tropics (is there a cold tropic :-) ) - can pull it off with relative ease.

3. The last factor i can think of is probably the climate itself.  Warm tropics should be a no brainer for this palm. Not so sure about warm subtropics. Those of you who grow this in various places - can share the information - which can help shed light on places where these can be grown successfully. HI, parts of FL/TX are easy guesses. Any other places?

Anyway - so much for my spiel.

joseph

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bgl

Joseph,

Even though I live in the tropics I've found Neoveitchia seeds to be much more difficult than most of the others, more difficult than Lemurophoenix and Pelagodoxa for instance. And since I don't use heating pads I don't have that extra heat that might be beneficial. As a result, Neoveitchia seeds take a LONG time to germinate, easily up to a year. But once a seed germinates you have a very strong and vigorous seedling!

Here are two more photos. First one along our driveway, where I have planted seven Neoveitchias. Five are visible, the other two are "around the corner".

Bo-Göran

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bgl

And another little grove of Neoveitchias in a different part of our garden.

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Ortanique

Bo,

Thats good info. Thanks. So a constant heat source and simple downright patience is what we are talking here.

joseph

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Utopia Palms

There should be some of the other neoveitchia seeds avaiable very soon for you guys i would try Jeff Marcus he has seedlings and i will be sending him seeds of the second sp in a few months . ps not all seeds seem to get polinated this is why germination is some times very low..

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cfkingfish

That is excellent news Clayton. I heard someone went to Pentecost (sp.) island where N. brunnei and Cyphosperma voutmelense are endemic. Apparently the tribal chief has to invite you there to even step foot on the island?

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tikitiki

I have just put a 3 gallon in the yard next to my C. nucifera. I' ll hopefully have a pic to post come March.

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Moose

:interesting: Interesting old thread!

Ron.

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PalmatierMeg

I put a Neoveitchia storckii seedling in my shade palm garden in March. So far, so good. But it was the devil to even find one without paying the proverbial arm and leg.

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bubba

It is not suprising Christian started this thread although many moons ago. There is an outstanding specimen at Ann Norton Sculpture Gardens in West Palm. A picture of it appears in a thread started by Pedro this past winter. The Neoveitchia storkii is in a jungly area and not in full sun, where it appears perfectly content.

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palmislandRandy

Mine sat idle for a year & half getting toasted in full sun. With the rains, it just pushed out 2 new fronds in 6 weeks! I have renewed hope for this one. :D

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redant

I planted one out this spring after caring for it in a pot for 2 years. It hasn't done much since being put in it's new home.

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Jeff Searle

I finally collected about 10 seeds a couple of weeks ago off of ours here in the nursery. It's probably about 18-20' tall now. I'm still waiting for that "bumper" crop though. :)

Jeff

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PalmatierMeg

Mine is tiny compared to everyone else's - no character leaves yet. But I took photos anyway. It didn't do much in a pot over the winter but seems to like being in the ground. It is working on its 3rd leaf of spring.

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Eric in Orlando

I planted 2 out here a few weeks ago, about the same size as in Meg's photos.

How tender are they, compared to say Cocos or Hyophorbe lagenicaulis? Both were planted in protected locations.

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TikiRick

I planted out 4 when I first moved into my home in 2000. I really wanted a staircase effect with three planted in a triangle about 10' on center. One by one, the new spear failed. It would emerge healthy, but then had difficulty holding it's own weight and would collapse over before opening.

One by one, I removed them.

The fourth one, on the opposite side of the garden, is thriving and is now about 14' overall, yet to produce seed. I have featured it here on an old post.

I treated them the same...fertilizer, irrigation, mulch, and TLC. I took it to an agriculture lab and they can only compare to Veitchia...which is much different. They offered no solutions for $180.00.

Was it nutritional? Fungal? Bacterial? Virus? Defect in the genes of the palm itself ?(they all came from the same seed batch).

I even thought it was from the soil....buried consturction debris? Roots reaching salt/brachish water (I live on a riverbank)...what?

Nonetheless, a wonderful palm and I am thankful for my one healthy specimen.

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palmmermaid

Jack and Marshall Dewey have these for sale in at least 3 gallon size in their nursery in Loxahatchee. I know they have at least 1 in the ground, maybe more on the property. While they look a little tattered after our winter, they are doing fine. The nursery is called Folsom Palms. It is across the street from Excelsa Gardens.

I plan on putting one of these in my garden.

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aztropic

One by one, the new spear failed. It would emerge healthy, but then had difficulty holding it's own weight and would collapse over before opening.

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DoomsDave

In my time I've found Neo-V's to only add to the infamy of my Death Camp.

As soon as it gets cool (below 50F), they cark, croak, die, shuffle off the mortal coil . . . .

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Moose

Meg - yours looks way better than mine. I thought it was not going to make it but it is growing out of it. I am thinking that this winter affected it. This is a three gallon palm.

Best regards, :)

Ron.

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M3FSQ

Just checked out my Neoveitchia Storckii seeds that I thought would never germinate. 30 of 38 have germinated after 6 months maybe. Anyone in Hawaii mind telling me where they get there pots from?

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PalmatierMeg
Meg - yours looks way better than mine. I thought it was not going to make it but it is growing out of it. I am thinking that this winter affected it. This is a three gallon palm.

Best regards, :)

Ron.

Ron, your palm is much taller. Hope mine puts on more height soon.

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bubba

Christian, Here is one in the Palm Beach area:

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A little more detail on this way under-utilized, spectacular Palm:

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LilikoiLee

Wow! I feel very lucky to have three beautiful N. storckii specimens which we recently purchased from Bo-Goren. I had no idea they were that difficult to germinate and grow.

Thanks for the great photos that everyone shared.

Lee

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Moose

Lee - you will have no problem in Hawaii, just keep them mulched. Us mainland folks have the issues with Neoveitchia.

Ron. :winkie:

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Tomw

This is an interesting old post that I ran across wile researching the Neoveitchia storckii. I would love to see updated pictures of how there doing now (particularly ones in Florida).

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