What's with the new logo?

[www.dadluvsu.com]

Matt,

If you or he would take the time to reread the whole thread, his concerns have been addressed previously. Frankly, the interjection in our conversation exemplifies why a forum is not an ideal place to discuss this. Again, please PM me and I can hear and discuss all concerns anyone has regarding these guidelines on a one at a time basis.

Question #1 was answered in Post #128 and Question #2 was addressed in post #101.

Simple guidelines have been issued, but this is a creative assignment and they are only guidelines and suggestions. The design team will take all entries into consideration.

Matt judging by your Bigfoot palm avatar, I'm looking forward to your contributions.

I'm gonna go over there and sit with Bo and watch for a while, keeping my comments limited.

Bill

[John in Andalucia]

This topic serves no further use unless there's less talk of hidden agendas, bias and favouritism, and more creative input. That's the direction the topic was heading, and to reiterate, it will be the IPS Board of Directors who make the final decisions. Bill's team are volunteering their time to assemble ALL of the creative ideas submitted so far, in order to present NUMEROUS concepts to the Board. Even then, the Board may decide to take all of those ideas and give them to a design professional only to come up with something completely different. This is why you all should be having fun.

One thing's for sure, and that's if you're only haggling over opinions, then you're not creatively contributing anything all. Let others join in with their ideas, or post more of your own work, but leave it at that. Topics that turn into verbal 'tennis rallies' between so few people are a turn off for most other users, and there are hundreds more IPS members who could be inputting their ideas here. Notice I said IPS members. It helps to be one if you're serious about where you think the Society should be headed.

[Pivi]

(i hate repeating myself, but i have to)

Bill,

I did read the whole thread. Not now, i've read it from day one. So i know what i'm talking about.

You may not agree with my (or anybody elses) opinion, but i also don't have to agree with your opinion.

I don't think your guidelines are ok, and all you say in "Post #128" in "post #101" or any other post is only your opinion, nothing more.

Same like everybody here has his own opinion, including me.

If anybody here was professional in this field and give professional advices i would say "he's right, listen to that man". But none of us make his living from design (at least in this last discussion) everybody thinks for his own opinion is the correct one.

And about symbolism, symbolism of your logo is in your head. Noone else from the side will not know what story is behind each element. He will see the palmtree and that's it (he will not think circle is earth, another circle is atmosphere, palm trunk means "travel"). And why would he?

IPS logo needs only one symbol, and that's a palm tree.

We didn't tell anyone to open this topic. Someone decided by himself to do so, and after that Bo and other wanted users post their suggestions.

If they didn't want us to give suggestions, and we have to follow your listed guidelines...than i see no point. They should give it to a professional to design.

Starting from yesterday, continuing today, you came up with guidelines for which i personaly think go in your favor, and i think are not written from a professional stand at all.

You don't have to reply to this. I had to explain it again, because in your reply you threat us like we don't understand things and that we didn't read the topic.

We did. And what we write is our opinion, what you write is yours. Nothing more.

Edited December 9, 2009 by Pivi

[John in Andalucia]

This topic serves no further use unless there's less talk of hidden agendas, bias and favouritism, and more creative input. That's the direction the topic was heading, and to reiterate, it will be the IPS Board of Directors who make the final decisions. Bill's team are volunteering their time to assemble ALL of the creative ideas submitted so far, in order to present NUMEROUS concepts to the Board. Even then, the Board may decide to take all of those ideas and give them to a design professional only to come up with something completely different. This is why you all should be having fun.

One thing's for sure, and that's if you're only haggling over opinions, then you're not creatively contributing anything all. Let others join in with their ideas, or post more of your own work, but leave it at that. Topics that turn into verbal 'tennis rallies' between so few people are a turn off for most other users, and there are hundreds more IPS members who could be inputting their ideas here. Notice I said IPS members. It helps to be one if you're serious about where you think the Society should be headed.

Pivi, we will have this topic closed if you like.

[Pivi]

One thing's for sure, and that's if you're only haggling over opinions, then you're not creatively contributing anything all. Let others join in with their ideas, or post more of your own work, but leave it at that.

I agree. But then some users shouldn't say to others"your logo is not good, it doesn't have meaning, it doesn't have symbolism" while at the same time favor his own and writing guidelines to match his own.

Topics that turn into verbal 'tennis rallies' between so few people are a turn off for most other users, and there are hundreds more IPS members who could be inputting their ideas here. Notice I said IPS members. It helps to be one if you're serious about where you think the Society should be headed.

It's not ok from you to say this. If they didn't want no IPS members to write here, then it should be said so.

Palmtalk is forum open to all of us, it's not just IPS members forum. For now.

Pivi, we will have this topic closed if you like.

John, why are you approaching me like that. Making me have to defend myself. It's not about me here.

Let people post their suggestions, keep your thoughts for yourself. Let guidelines (like the ones are created) aside. In the end open a poll.

Have respect for others opinions. You don't have to fight them.

PEACE. Let people post their suggestions.

I'm really sorry this topic turned this way, but it's not my fault.

Edited December 9, 2009 by Pivi

[www.dadluvsu.com]

Here's a unique palm image... fronds are sorta banana leafed but enough of them do make a decent looking crown, and how bout that trunk?

[John in Andalucia]

One thing's for sure, and that's if you're only haggling over opinions, then you're not creatively contributing anything all. Let others join in with their ideas, or post more of your own work, but leave it at that.

I agree. But then some users shouldn't say to others"your logo is not good, it doesn't have meaning, it doesn't have symbolism" while at the same time favor his own and writing guidelines to match his own.

Topics that turn into verbal 'tennis rallies' between so few people are a turn off for most other users, and there are hundreds more IPS members who could be inputting their ideas here. Notice I said IPS members. It helps to be one if you're serious about where you think the Society should be headed.

It's not ok from you to say this. If they didn't want no IPS members to write here, then it should be said so.

Palmtalk is forum open to all of us, it's not just IPS members forum. For now.

Pivi, we will have this topic closed if you like.

John, why are you approaching me like that. Making me have to defend myself. It's not about me here.

Let people post their suggestions, keep your thoughts for yourself. Let guidelines (like the ones are created) aside. In the end open a poll.

Have respect for others opinions. You don't have to fight them.

PEACE. Let people post their suggestions.

Pivi, have you got any more ideas to show us? I have.

[www.dadluvsu.com]

This was an interesting article...

http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com/200...using-inkscape/

[www.dadluvsu.com]

This one had interesting use of shading... Good negative space.

[www.dadluvsu.com]

Why am I in here with you clowns and not in this clip art?

[John in Andalucia]

This was an interesting article...

http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com/200...using-inkscape/

Nice, Bill. I can run that on my Linux machine, too.

[John in Andalucia]

Why am I in here with you clowns and not in this logo?

What is that swirl thing in the middle?

[freakypalmguy]

Here's a unique palm image... fronds are sorta banana leafed but enough of them do make a decent looking crown, and how bout that trunk?

Hmm, the frondage on that one is very interesting, maybe try it with a different trunk

[www.dadluvsu.com]

It's cause I lifted the image... Piracy maybe?

[John in Andalucia]

For Society style logos, check out the Google image search for inspiration:

http://images.google.es/images?hl=es&s...sa=N&tab=wi

[www.dadluvsu.com]

Not palmish enough (looks like a cycad to me) but good use of simple shapes and clean look..

[www.dadluvsu.com]

Hmm, the frondage on that one is very interesting, maybe try it with a different trunk

Yeah at first I thought the double helical trunk might have some significance to use, like the intertwining of conservation and something else blah blah, but then I realized it looked more like a twin tailed sperm cell. Probably not gonna work huh?

[John in Andalucia]

Here's a unique palm image... fronds are sorta banana leafed but enough of them do make a decent looking crown, and how bout that trunk?

I like the printing style of the fronds. Maybe a batik-inspired design would give a multi-cultural feel to a logo.

[Jerry@TreeZoo]

Until and unless Deano closes this thread, people can and will comment on designs and submit their thoughts and designs. Bill is doing a volunteer job assigned to him by the IPS president and he must procede with it in his own way. He might like your design or maybe just certain aspects of it or he might not like it at all, but at this point it is his ball park. He will put together what he thinks is appropriate to the IPS BOD. If you want to add a design for his consideration, PM him with it. If you want you can post it here too but it is not a popularity contest or a free for all.

Pivi, I like a lot of your original suggestion but that is something for sale on that website. The light, colorful aspects of it are very good.

Bill, I would recommend you not comment any further in this thread other than to say "Thank you" to people giving suggestions. You and John have a good handle on what needs to be done.

[PALM MOD]

Until and unless Deano closes this thread, people can and will comment on designs and submit their thoughts and designs. Bill is doing a volunteer job assigned to him by the IPS president and he must procede with it in his own way. He might like your design or maybe just certain aspects of it or he might not like it at all, but at this point it is his ball park. He will put together what he thinks is appropriate to the IPS BOD. If you want to add a design for his consideration, PM him with it. If you want you can post it here too but it is not a popularity contest or a free for all.

Pivi, I like a lot of your original suggestion but that is something for sale on that website. The light, colorful aspects of it are very good.

Bill, I would recommend you not comment any further in this thread other than to say "Thank you" to people giving suggestions. You and John have a good handle on what needs to be done.

I am under the impression that Bo would still like to be open to having designs submitted. If that is not the case, he can close it. Or if William decides we have enough submissions, he can ask Bo to close it. It may be best to set a deadline for submissions, and then close the thread at that point.

One note: I have spent a lot of time looking at palm clip art over the last three years for various reasons. And a lot of what is being submitted is freely available and already being used in other venues. IMO, it would be foolish to have a design or graphic that you may end up seeing elsewhere.

[John in Andalucia]

We might start a creative word pool. This will inspire the right design for the IPS logo, as opposed to looking too long at other designs on the Internet. All you have to do is think of words that are associative with the IPS, both from a present day and future aspect. The IPS of course, means palms, so what do palms mean to you? Think of the most generic descriptors possible. Here are a few for starters:

world, green, beauty, garden, conservation, jungle, paradise, tropics, botanic, education,

Feel free to add your own.

[Dypsisdean]

Here's a unique palm image... fronds are sorta banana leafed but enough of them do make a decent looking crown, and how bout that trunk?

Where did all the critics of the "cartoon" banana leaf look go? It looks as if we have come full circle.

[Pivi]

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Edited December 9, 2009 by Pivi

[John in Andalucia]

Bill, If we are going to have a category for single spot colour logos, might it be better to stick to black? Much easier to compare designs in silhouette form.

[Succulentum]

I like this one too, Pivi, Palm tree logo must have a trunk.

jean-bernard

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[www.dadluvsu.com]

John, I have no opposition to seeing any and all ideas. I want creativity to flow abundantly here.

[John in Andalucia]

John, I have no opposition to seeing any and all ideas. I want creativity to flow abundantly here.

Bill, I'm suggesting that if designs are submitted here in one colour, we should designate a logo colour - preferably black - so that colour does not add or detract from the design appeal. That's not a creative limitation.

[John Case]

Heck,

I started this thread and bailed out early once I knew there was effort going on.......

My fun started once the arguments began!

I am sure the project is in good hands!

[John in Andalucia]

[Pivi]

John,

It only a working version. It's not necessarily one color logo.

Like i said there are many variations that can be made depending on the need.

Font color, outline color, letters with outline, only outline, palm fill color, only palm outline, palm fill one color with outline second color...

Edited December 9, 2009 by Pivi

[John in Andalucia]

Bill, do you need a larger graphic of your palm tree logo?

Thanks for your input, Pivi.

[bgl]

In a quick response to Dean's comment in post #220 - no, we are definitely not closing this thread! Havn't seen this much enthusiasm since Matt and Paul posted their Florida photos!

[John in Andalucia]

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[www.dadluvsu.com]

John, you've got good software there. Would you also please import/enlarge/silhouette all the contributions from the closed poll thread (those by Mike in Bermuda). It will help to keep everything in one place.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21209

[Walter John]

What about something that's not so defined, something more splashed, splash art is something I specialise in. Just for the experts to think about, forget symbolism, say it with a splash. Let's go to the video and song, you ready Andrew sisters ?

Come and join the IPS where you don't have to wear a dress

Just walk on up and say hello, there's a sun in the sky and it's sinking low

Grab that palm trunk, hug it tight, and keep on posting day and night...Ooh yeh.

[Jeff Searle]

Jeeeez, I think I'll stick to my humble ways and continue growing a few palms in the shadehouse.

[FRITO]

I like this one Pivi suggested. Most pleasing to the eye, simple yet effective, can be used anywhere and on anything, easily changed to use where needed.

Edited December 10, 2009 by FRITO

[_Keith]

What about something that's not so defined, something more splashed, splash art is something I specialise in. Just for the experts to think about, forget symbolism, say it with a splash. Let's go to the video and song, you ready Andrew sisters ?

Come and join the IPS where you don't have to wear a dress

Just walk on up and say hello, there's a sun in the sky and it's sinking low

Grab that palm trunk, hug it tight, and keep on posting day and night...Ooh yeh.

Wal's is perfect. I like it.

[freakypalmguy]

The collage of all ideas is really cool John, it's nice to be able to see them all in one place.

[Kathryn]

Wal's is perfect. I like it.

I agree. What artistic talent!

I agree that we shouldn't use existing clipart in the final design, but it is helpful to use to show different concepts such as circle/no circle, IPS acronym versus full name, palm tree versus palm frond, pinnate versus palmate, island, square, rectangle, various colors, fonts, etc.

I used clipart in my examples because I can't draw as well as Wal. Don't let this stop others from submitting ideas. And if Williams comments about 1bit B&W, no shading or greyscales didn't mean anything to you, don't be deterred. Just hand draw something to show the concept. The graphic can be refined later by someone skilled in graphic design.

We haven't really come up with any palmate designs. Anyone what to give that a shot?

I really like the simple helicona design with the red flower. Perhaps someone can create a similar logo with a Cyrtostachys renda.

Displaying all the suggestions in black and white helps with comparing these various concepts. Perhaps we could do the same with adding some standard color options. By we, I'm not referring to the mouse in my pocket, but someone with the skill and software.

As I stated earlier, I am commenting as an IPS member, I'm not setting any rules or requirements as a board member.