Tchan...tchan...tchan.....Tchaaaaaannnnn.... Ladies and gentleman:

[Alberto]

Another Butyagrus .....? , sprouting

[PalmGuyWC]

Another Butyagrus .....? , sprouting

Alberto,

That's a true thumb nail shot. Are your Parajubaeas recovering from the cold winter?

Dick

[Alberto]

Another Butyagrus .....? , sprouting

Alberto,

That's a true thumb nail shot. Are your Parajubaeas recovering from the cold winter?

Dick

That to show the difference between a ´´father´´ Jubaea and a ´´father´´Syagrus oleracea with a trunk of only 13cm (6.5 inches) and the same mother plant.

I´m glad all my parajubaeas that had spearpull are recovering fine!!!

Here a pic of the new fronds:

[Alberto]

Update. The B.erios x Jubaea are fast. After 5 months,most of the seedlings have now 4 (a few 3) or are beginning on the 5th strap leave. :winkie:The texture of the leaflets is heavier compared to B.eriospatha seedlings.

Faster then pure B.eriospatha ,I think.

[Alberto]

The B.eriosp.x Syagrus oleracea has 2 or 3 leaves and have a more softer texture and aren´t upright like the BxJ.

[iamjv]

Alberto, thanks for the updated pics and info... those are exciting new hybrids! We all look forward to seeing how they'll come out. Jv

[FRITO]

looks great Alberto!

[Nigel]

Alberto, I germinated 11 of 16 seeds , 1 was a defective seedling leaving 10. I now have 4. I lost 6 seedlings to fungus. Without a polytunnel to keep the rain away it is very difficult here to keep seedlings of many palm species alive. Butia eriosptha is very difficult here as a seedling in the open rain.

[Alberto]

Hi Nigel,

At the time that I had not a pollytunnel,I left my palm seedlings behind a veranda,when they only had sun in the afternoon. I still have some more´´heat sensitive´´ seedlings there.

Butia eriospatha can have lot of humidity,but your place is also a lot warmer then here on the tableland,and Jubaea blood in it also will ´´not make it more resistant´´ to humidity with heat.....

[Alberto]

Update. The B.erios x Jubaea are fast. After 5 months,most of the seedlings have now 4 (a few 3) or are beginning on the 5th strap leave. :winkie:The texture of the leaflets is heavier compared to B.eriospatha seedlings.

Faster then pure B.eriospatha ,I think.

If you are comming or know someone who comes to the Biennial in Rio, I´d like to swap some plants.

I´m interested in Brahea moorei,B.decumbens, chuniophoenix hainanensis,cold hardy Cycads.....

[DoomsDave]

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[Nigel]

Hi Nigel,

Butia eriospatha can have lot of humidity,but your place is also a lot warmer then here on the tableland,and Jubaea blood in it also will ´´not make it more resistant´´ to humidity with heat.....

Alberto, I have ButiaxJubaeas, JubaeaxButias here , no problem. I germinated 16 JubaeaxButia seeds the same time and not 1 died.

My Butia eriospatha seedlings are dieing rapidly. It is the erisoptha part that is the problem with the eriosptha xjubaea hybrid.

I dont know why, but Butia eriospatha seedlings here are very vulnerable to rot. I think it is too hot for them.

P.S. I am now down to 3 seedlings, one of the best and very healthiest with 4 leaves keeled over today. I have put the last 3 into a spot where they will get no rain, only sun late in the day.

Edited March 2, 2010 by Nigel

[Tyrone]

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Don't ever change Dave.

Those crosses are quite exciting. It'll be interesting to see what they turn out like.

Best regards

Tyrone

[Nigel]

This is what happens............ I believe now that Butia odorata is more resistant to humidity than eriospatha.

[Alberto]

This is what happens............ I believe now that Butia odorata is more resistant to humidity than eriospatha.

Comming from the litoral,B.odoratas are more resistant to humidity combined with heat,I think. But our winters here can be very humid but cold/fresh and summers fresh/warm (not as warm as the plane near the sea of course)and lot of humidity....

[Alberto]

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[Adam from Oz]

Well, that was over two years ago.

What happened?

[Sutter Bob]

I missed this thread first time around - I'm curious too.

[Alberto]

I´m waiting for my camera to return from holyday:mrlooney:. I´ll show some pics soon.

[Nigel]

My last surviving Jaubutia barkemaii

[Nigel]

My last surviving Jaubutia barkemaii

Oops it grows vertically ..... honest

I suspect its not totally healthy though because its very wobbly and only has 2 roots so I think the basal plate has been affected by fungus, it might now survive.

[Alberto]

But the leaves look very healthy.

[amazon exotics]

I crossed my Butia eriospatha with pollen that came from California. Finally they are beginning to germinate.

B.eriospatha is the butia species that grows in the coldest and most humid climate (excepted B.microspadix) crossed with the giant and also super hardy Jubaea that grows in a drier habitat. Butia eriospatha also has longer fronds then B.capitata and are greener and cope with high rainfall year round and a fresh summer climate.

I think this hybrid will be winners for cold and humid climates!

The following cross I´ll perform will be Butia eriospatha x Parajubaea torallyi....

There are a few lucky guys wich received some seeds (swap) of this very rare seeds.

How are yours Nigel,M@x, Kristof.... I received also rare seeds and plants from some of this guys. There are folks that are very very generous!

In future maybe I´ll be able to sell some of this palms...

This are probably the first Butia eriospatha x Jubaea chilensis of the world! Take a look

BRAVO !!! Very cool !!

[iamjv]

Alberto, do you have any updated pics of your offspring???? Would love to see how these babies have progressed! Thanks, Jv

[Alberto]

Alberto, do you have any updated pics of your offspring???? Would love to see how these babies have progressed! Thanks, Jv

After 2 years......I am field growing the seedlings . Most were planted out 1and 1/2 month now.

A few that were planted out diect in soil last year are bigger (second pic)

[gyuseppe]

[Alberto]

Non capisco!

The leaflets are somewhat flatter and more rigid than B.erispatha.

[Nigel]

Non capisco!

The leaflets are somewhat flatter and more rigid than B.erispatha.

yes it is quite different, a young eriosptha will have window leaves with much finer leaflets this is very chunky and more robust looking.

[gyuseppe]

Non capisco!

The leaflets are somewhat flatter and more rigid than B.erispatha.

yes it is quite different, a young eriosptha will have window leaves with much finer leaflets this is very chunky and more robust looking.

Alberto and Nigel I have yet to learn!

you see that you are experts of Butia!

[Nigel]

Non capisco!

The leaflets are somewhat flatter and more rigid than B.erispatha.

yes it is quite different, a young eriosptha will have window leaves with much finer leaflets this is very chunky and more robust looking.

Alberto and Nigel I have yet to learn!

you see that you are experts of Butia!

Gyuseppe, here you see `windowing` in Butia,

the leaves are not fully formed but still attached at leaflet tips , Jubaea does not do this and apparently the hybrid neither !

[iamjv]

Thanks for the update and photos!!! Looking great!

[Alberto]

Update of my B.eriospatha x Jubaea after 3 years and 4 months of germinated seeds.

Nice purple collor petioles , relatively stiff leaflets. Some palms has much recurved fronds then others

[Alberto]

Update of my B.eriospatha x Jubaea after 3 years and 4 months of germinated seeds.

Nice purple collor petioles , relatively stiff leaflets. Some palms has much recurved fronds then others

[Alberto]

First pic - Pure Jubaea

Second pic- Close up of the petioles of a young Jubaea. I now know why the B x J has it´s greyish purple collor: inherited from it´s dad Jubaea

[Alberto]

First pic- petiole of a pure Butia eriospatha, that is a volunteer of my eriospathas that was potted up,

Second pic- petioles of the B x J - grey purple, lot of fibers, not spines

Third and fourth pics - comparison between my slightlty older potted up B.eriospatha and my biggest B x J

[swolf]

Beautiful palms Alberto. Fast growth too... so much for the theory that JXB is always faster than BXJ. Maybe Eriospatha is part of the difference (?)

Steve

St. Augustine, FL

[DoomsDave]

MIOS DIOS!

Breathtaking!

Mas mas mas mas . . . .

[sergiskan]

As Dave says..., Dios mio!!!!

...They will be a few incredible palms!!

nice to see yours cocoids hybrids in Palmtalk..., i am waiting excited to see my butia blooming to try something...

best regards

[iamjv]

Fantastic update Alberto !!! That is going to be a beautiful jub and hybrid forrest you'll have there !!!

[Mandrew968]

That's a palm I would find a spot for in my garden!