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Liana's backyard in the farm. These are fast growers...they've doubled in size in the last 18 months, since I've seen them for the first time. Still keeping the "windows" but I guess it won't last long at this point, for the next fronds (?)... Beautiful palms aren't they?

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Zeeth
Liana's backyard in the farm. These are fast growers...they've doubled in size in the last 18 months, since I've seen them for the first time. Still keeping the "windows" but I guess it won't last long at this point, for the next fronds (?)... Beautiful palms aren't they?

:drool:

I have a small alfredii, nothing much to look at yet.

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Hopefully in a few years it'll look nice and big. I'm going to grow it in a 6 gallon pot for 2 years, then plant it on it's side so it curves like a coconut, so it'll look even coconuttier.

I also plan to try to grow one indoors. I've not heard of them tried out in an indoor environment, so I thought I may try it out.

Edit: Hmm, your picture didn't show up above the drool thing... you get the point though

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Gileno Machado

Nice one Zeeth. I'm also growing several just about the size of yours...my B. alfredii is a little smaller though.

Btw, have those coconuts sprouted yet? Aren't they too exposed there in your summer? I believe coconuts sprout best in semi-shade, with warmth and humidity...no need to place them in full sun. Good luck...

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realarch

Just got this B. madagascariensis in the ground about a month ago and I can already see noticeable growth. Even in the juvenile stage it's such a

beautiful palm.

Tim

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Zeeth
Nice one Zeeth. I'm also growing several just about the size of yours...my B. alfredii is a little smaller though.

Btw, have those coconuts sprouted yet? Aren't they too exposed there in your summer? I believe coconuts sprout best in semi-shade, with warmth and humidity...no need to place them in full sun. Good luck...

None yet. They actually only get about 2 hours of sun from 9 am to 11 am. After that the house completely shades them. When I get my Bermuda cocos I'll sprout them in the complete shade and put them in the sun after they sprout to maybe get a better chance at them sprouting. I'm thinking about carefully opening the big one with no water in it to see if it's a dud or not. I'm also thinking about moving the Beccariophoenix into full sun. It's a pretty fast grower, my only palm that's faster so far is the Hurricane palms I got from Ray, but I heard they're faster when they get full sun. I'm going to keep it in the pot until we buy a house, as this is one palm I don't want to leave when we move.

Also, has anyone tried any crosses with the Beccarios? Maybe a Windows X no windows, or an Alfredii X windows. It'd be cool if it was like a foxy lady, faster and more cold tolerant than either parent.

Keith

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JD in the OC

Zeeth,

Or, how about a Cocos x Beccariophoenix?? Jeff Searle gets Beccariophoenix pollen off his large ones I think...

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Zeeth,

Or, how about a Cocos x Beccariophoenix?? Jeff Searle gets Beccariophoenix pollen off his large ones I think...

I would also be interested in one of these. I was told it wasn't highly likely, but if Mark can make a Butia X Cocos, I suppose this would be more plausible. I think the windows form would be good to try it out on, but a cross with the alfredii would be the most ideal. Too bad it'll be a couple of years before we can get pollen from those. Doesn't Jeff have an 8 year old alfredii? It's either him or another person in S Fl, so it should only be a couple of years before he gets pollen from that to try some cocos crosses. We should convince Jeff to try some hybridization!

Keith

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MikeL

B. madagascariensis is probably my best growing palm: fast and tough as nails, handling sun and wind with ease. The tree in the first shot was planted from a 15 gallon pot about 4 years ago. The leaves now stretch about 15 feet high and the trunk is almost 2 feet in diameter. You can get a better idea of its size in the second shot which shows its place in the garden; it's the tallest tree in the upper middle part of the shot. The other trees on the right include Ravenea rivularis, Calyptronoma rivalis, and Clinostigma ponapense. The only drawback to its fast growth is that the leaf windows have now disappeared.

I seem to have so many trees that struggle, it's nice to have at least one that's an unqualified success.

Mike

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MikeL

I guess I should have referred to the tree in my post as Beccariophoenix "windows" instead of B. madagascariensis. I'm also growing B. madagascariensis but it's been much slower than the windows version so far.

Mike

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Zeeth
B. madagascariensis is probably my best growing palm: fast and tough as nails, handling sun and wind with ease. The tree in the first shot was planted from a 15 gallon pot about 4 years ago. The leaves now stretch about 15 feet high and the trunk is almost 2 feet in diameter. You can get a better idea of its size in the second shot which shows its place in the garden; it's the tallest tree in the upper middle part of the shot. The other trees on the right include Ravenea rivularis, Calyptronoma rivalis, and Clinostigma ponapense. The only drawback to its fast growth is that the leaf windows have now disappeared.

I seem to have so many trees that struggle, it's nice to have at least one that's an unqualified success.

Mike

Nice, you should get an alfredii too to test the differences. Where are you located?

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MikeL

Kieth, our house is on the road to Hana on the island of Maui. No problem with cold temperatures and we usually get good rainfall, but we are also in the direct path of the tradewinds which can rip tender trees to shreds. I'll look into getting B. alfredii. I know that Jeff Marcus at Floribunda sells seedlings. Mike

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Zeeth
Kieth, our house is on the road to Hana on the island of Maui. No problem with cold temperatures and we usually get good rainfall, but we are also in the direct path of the tradewinds which can rip tender trees to shreds. I'll look into getting B. alfredii. I know that Jeff Marcus at Floribunda sells seedlings. Mike

Ok, anything grows in Hawaii... I think once alfredii starts flowering in captivity there needs to be some cocos crosses tried out. Maybe it'll have hybrid vigor... Nice Windows forms though. You must have good soil, because I hear that the windows version is fussy about nutrients.

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Wai`anae Steve
Kieth, our house is on the road to Hana on the island of Maui. No problem with cold temperatures and we usually get good rainfall, but we are also in the direct path of the tradewinds which can rip tender trees to shreds. I'll look into getting B. alfredii. I know that Jeff Marcus at Floribunda sells seedlings. Mike

Since you are on Maui, don't waste time w/seedling. I've decided to only buy 1 gallon palms from Jeff. Average price including shipping is only $11.

Beautiful garden. Don't know how you keep it looking so "clean".

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Al in Kona
I guess I should have referred to the tree in my post as Beccariophoenix "windows" instead of B. madagascariensis. I'm also growing B. madagascariensis but it's been much slower than the windows version so far.

Mike

Hi Mike - Yeah Beccariophoenix madagascariensis (no window form) is much slower growing than the B. sp. window form. BTW, your palms are really coming along nicely there on Maui. Here is a pic of mine taken back in March. '09.

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Thanks for the compliment, Al. It's funny how different B. madagascariensis looks from the windows form when they're juveniles. But Jeff Marcus said he could scarcely tell adult forms of the plants apart. I imagine that's been the reason for the confusion between the different species (or variants) for so many years.

And, Steve, I got a kick out of your comment on how clean the garden looked. Believe me, it wasn't always that way. I've attached a photo of the same area (albeit looking the opposite direction) taken in May, 2006. That shot was taken after some initial clean up and debris removal to get ready to plant the Raveneas and Calyptronomas that fill out this part of the garden. You can see the same Beccariophoenix from my earlier post off to the left in this shot; it hadn't even formed a trunk yet three years ago. You can also see the tangle of koas, guavas, and bananas that used to overrun this part of the garden. The second shot below shows helpers I hired - professional tree movers - to help me plant out the area. I guess that a clean look doesn't come cheap or easy.

Mike

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Wai`anae Steve

I have one too. B. madagascarensis, windows. Bought last year as one gallon plant. Been sitting in the shade house for a year. Planted it out about a month ago.

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Really full garden

About three years ago I purchased seeds from RPS that were listed as Beccariophoenix sp."Coastal form".I am always interested in new palms that have potential for my beach garden and these seemed to fit the criteria.They have been slow and today this one is going to be planted.

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As you can see they have no "windows". Did anyone else purchase these seeds? I just looked on the RPS archive and they no longer list any Becarriophoenix sp. Coastal form.

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Moose

I purchased this Beccariophoenix alfredii at the South Florida Palm Society Sale at Montgomery Botanical Center this last March. It was in a seven gallon container. The palm has opened two leaves and has a spike emerging. It appears that it has responded well to the spot I choose and the soil amendments made. :rolleyes:

Ron. :)

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Wai`anae Steve
Thanks for the compliment, Al. It's funny how different B. madagascariensis looks from the windows form when they're juveniles. But Jeff Marcus said he could scarcely tell adult forms of the plants apart. I imagine that's been the reason for the confusion between the different species (or variants) for so many years.

And, Steve, I got a kick out of your comment on how clean the garden looked. Believe me, it wasn't always that way. I've attached a photo of the same area (albeit looking the opposite direction) taken in May, 2006. That shot was taken after some initial clean up and debris removal to get ready to plant the Raveneas and Calyptronomas that fill out this part of the garden. You can see the same Beccariophoenix from my earlier post off to the left in this shot; it hadn't even formed a trunk yet three years ago. You can also see the tangle of koas, guavas, and bananas that used to overrun this part of the garden. The second shot below shows helpers I hired - professional tree movers - to help me plant out the area. I guess that a clean look doesn't come cheap or easy.

Mike

Mike,

That first shot looks more like my place :rolleyes:

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Al in Kona
About three years ago I purchased seeds from RPS that were listed as Beccariophoenix sp."Coastal form".I am always interested in new palms that have potential for my beach garden and these seemed to fit the criteria.They have been slow and today this one is going to be planted.

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As you can see they have no "windows". Did anyone else purchase these seeds? I just looked on the RPS archive and they no longer list any Becarriophoenix sp. Coastal form.

Scottgt - My understanding is that you have the true Beccariophoenix madigascariensis (no window form) just as I have also. That form is supposed to do well near coastal areas. Yes, they are rather slow growers (at least during their young growth stage). Your plant looks very healthy. Just don't get discouraged if it's growth seems rather slow.

That seems to be its nature.

Al in Kona

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Eric in Orlando

Here are the 3 growing here. These 3 are planted near each other and there is a Cocos nucifera 'Green Malayan' and 'Panama Tall' next to them so if they can cross, maybe some hybrids will show in the near future.

B. alfredii

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B. madagascariensis (which it turns out isn't madagascariensis), (windows form)

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B. sp. "no windows" (which is the true B. madagascariensis)

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Wai`anae Steve
I have one too. B. madagascarensis, windows. Bought last year as one gallon plant. Been sitting in the shade house for a year. Planted it out about a month ago.

Ok, if the B. madagascarensis, windows is not true B. madagascarensis what is it? :hmm:

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Al in Kona
I have one too. B. madagascarensis, windows. Bought last year as one gallon plant. Been sitting in the shade house for a year. Planted it out about a month ago.

Ok, if the B. madagascarensis, windows is not true B. madagascarensis what is it? :hmm:

Steve,

Not offically named yet (no species name that is) as I understand. Guess you'll just have to call it Beccariophoenix 'window form' for now. You have a nice one started at your place Steve. For whatever reason I do not have one yet. I've heard that when mature all three species can be hard to tell apart.

Al in Kona

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DoomsDave

I've killed every windows type I've had, in the pots and in the ground. They don't like our long cool season, most definitely.

Alfredii, "no-window" and others seem to do much better.

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AJQ

Here are couple of shots of my 2.

First on the left is Beccariophoenix alfredii.

Second on the right is Beccariophoenix madagascariensis.

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Regards Andy.

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bubba

Here is one from Ann Norton Sculpture Gardens in West Palm:

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Walter John

Here's two of mine.

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Alicehunter2000

Beautiful palms..............nothing much more to say.

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The Palm Nut

Here is a picture of some at the Cairns Botanical Gardens.

Mike

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iamjv

Hey Mike, those are fabulous looking beccario's.... they appear like an extra lush coconut palm! Can't wait for mine to grow up! Thanks for posting. Jv

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Zeeth

Bumping this topic with some habitat photos of Beccariophoenix alfredii given to me by Mijoro Rakotoarinivo

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Zeeth

All done

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