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For those of you planting Beccariophoenix

cfkingfish

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cfkingfish Grand Master

cfkingfish

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That is me for size reference, I am 5'11, 195. I am sporting the rare purple lens Oakley Frogskins.

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Christian Faulkner

Venice, Florida - South Sarasota County.

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whoa daddy that thing is MASSIVE!! Any idea how old it is??

Dave Hughson

Carlsbad, Ca

1 mile from ocean

Zone 10b

Palm freaks are good peeps!!!!!

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MattyB Grand Master

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It's Beccariophantastic!

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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From what I remember, it was planted in 1991 as a 3 gallon plant.

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(Zac in NC @ Nov. 13 2006,15:28)

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(MattyB @ Nov. 13 2006,18:19)

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It's Beccariophantastic!

You are a very funny guy, Matt. That was a good one.

Zac

Seriously, don't encourage me, it could get ugly.

By the way, Christian, which species is this one?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

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Christian,

     Very,very nice. I think you have seen mine at the nusery. Are yours seeding yet? If not, they are certainly ready. Thanks for the pics!!

  Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Jeff-

I only wish this was mine - If I had planted it then, I would have been 10 years old. It has 3-4 spathes emerging on the trunk - one has aborted, but the others are growing slowly. I think what it wants is more sun. Yours are nicely set outside the shadehouse entrance - they must be loving that!

This is the windows form.

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Does anyone have an opinion on which one (windows, no windows) is the faster grower and by how much?

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(Dypsisdean @ Nov. 14 2006,09:52)

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Does anyone have an opinion on which one (windows, no windows) is the faster grower and by how much?

Windows by three furlongs

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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(Dypsisdean @ Nov. 13 2006,19:52)

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Does anyone have an opinion on which one (windows, no windows) is the faster grower and by how much?

Windows, definitely, though no-windows takes cold much better, and doesn't seem bothered by nutrient deficiencies.

dave

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(Dave from So-Cal @ Nov. 13 2006,20:06)

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(Dypsisdean @ Nov. 13 2006,19:52)

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Does anyone have an opinion on which one (windows, no windows) is the faster grower and by how much?

Windows, definitely, though no-windows takes cold much better, and doesn't seem bothered by nutrient deficiencies.

dave

Allthough, it's a little too early to compare, I certainly agree with Dave's opinion.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Does anyone have an opinion on which one (windows, no windows) is the faster grower and by how much?

I've watched all three varieties grow, and I think the newer B. sp. 'High Plateau' is both more hardy and faster than the other two, but only compared to growing in a container.

- Photos of one of Jeff Searle's Beccariophoenix madagascariensis, mature and producing seed at the nursery.

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South Florida

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I think the Macintosh Beccariophoenix is much faster and more user friendly.

:D

Why is this thread bringing the funny people out of the wood work? First MattyB. Anyway, Jeff, thats a nice one there in the nursery.

Zac

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Living to get back to Mexico

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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(MattyB @ Nov. 13 2006,18:19)

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It's Beccariophantastic!

Hmm.

Beccario-Phenomenal?

???

dave

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(cfkingfish @ Nov. 13 2006,18:33)

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From what I remember, it was planted in 1991 as a 3 gallon plant.

Gadzooks!

That IS huge, and fast.

Anyone have one in Cali?

dave

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(Dave from So-Cal @ Nov. 13 2006,23:16)

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(MattyB @ Nov. 13 2006,18:19)

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It's Beccariophantastic!

Hmm.

Beccario-Phenomenal?

???

dave

Beccario-phabulous?  ???

Zac

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Living to get back to Mexico

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MattyB Grand Master

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I think Spectre (from Spectre's Jungle Forum) has a nice sized 'Windows' variety growing here in San Diego.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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(tropicalb @ Nov. 13 2006,16:36)

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I think the Macintosh Beccariophoenix is much faster and more user friendly.

:D

And immune to Lethal Yellow  :D

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I havn't seen much difference in growth rate between the regular B. madagascariensis (windows) and Beccariophoenix sp. without windows. I'd rate them both moderately fast.

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Over five years ago I saw at least a 10 foot "no windows" at Phil Morgan's in Encinitas.  I haven't been back since to visit it.

Phil

Jungle Music Palms and Cycads, established 1977 and located in Encinitas, CA, 20 miles north of San Diego on the Coast.  Phone:  619 2914605 Link to Phil's Email phil.bergman@junglemusic.net Website: www.junglemusic.net Link to Jungle Music Palms and Cycads

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The 5 gal. (windows) plant I got at Phil's 3+ years ago was fast from the get-go. Even while in the pot during acclimation, it threw leaves at the rate of a Majesty palm. It's now at about 6' tall. But like a puppy with big feet, it seems to be preparing for size. The base is nearly 1 foot in diameter--huge, for a plant that size. It also loves the somewhat cooler fall temps, more so than the blazing summer sun.

Bret

Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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redant Grand Master

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"Make sure you know their eventual size"

I pray mine might someday look like that.

I can't believe I didn't see Jeff's when at the sale, it was a palm info overload!

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

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I think the Macintosh Beccariophoenix is much faster and more user friendly.

:D

LMAO....good one B

If global warming means I can grow Cocos Nucifera, then bring it on....

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That is one massive palm.  I don't know what I was thinking planting mine in the vicinity of a jubaea x butia, P. canariensis and R. boriquena.  Maybe the varying heights will work out, doh.  Anyone know if beccariophoenix can be dug :)?  Mine is about 1gal size right now.

David

David Vogelsang

OC, California

Zone 10a

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Dave, pretty much anything can be dug at a one gallon size.  Just dig a 30 gal tub rootball size and you're safe. :D  :D

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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I really didn´t realize they are that big!  Thank you for that pic!

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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That's classic.  So many times we think a little seedling won't get that big.  I didn't. I was getting ready to plant a small seedling.  Ummm...Maybe I should give it a little more space.  

How do they do in Shade and are they drought tolerant?  

It looks so much like a coconut when it gets big like that.

Central Florida Gardening Forum 2ndlight.Com

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Your question about how much shade. Yes, they will certainly tolerate some extra shade. And,naturally the more shade you give it, the more they will start to stretch.

  I also would like to share something with the group. When I picked the seed earlier this summer, I noticed that I could actually peel the fruit off with my fingernail quite easily. It came off in pieces and very cleanly. It was great! A first for this palm!! :D

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Beccariophoenix can take almost total shade but I wouldn't recommend it. It will slow them down dramatically, and I guess that may be a good thing for some people!! I havn't found them to stretch out that much in shade, as opposed to sun grown. I believe the main reason they slow down so much in shade is that the canopy above hogs all the rain, and very little water actually trickles down to the shadegrown Beccariophoenix.

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Thanks.  It will have to be grown in shade here as I'm under a oak hammock.  Plus this far north will give it extra cold protection (knock on wood).  Slow growth kills me, but I'm relatively young and will live to see it get taller (knock on more wood).

Central Florida Gardening Forum 2ndlight.Com

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I have a few under a very effective canopy of Dypsis leptocheilos and D. madagascariensis. An oak tree may let thru more rain, which would help speed up the growth of any understorey palms - including the Beccariophoenix!

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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They look like cocos nucifera on steroids - very macho! I am also interested that some varieties might be candidates for cooler zones.Even though I live in the tropics I am still interested in cold tolerant species.I might retire in the States or have to flee due to political unrest etc.

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El Oasis - beach garden, distinct wet/dry season ,year round 20-38c

Las Heliconias - jungle garden ,800m elevation,150+ inches rainfall, year round 15-28c

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