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trioderob

southern california vs florida vs Hawaii for palms....

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trioderob

how do these 3 major palm areas in the united states match up ?

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MattyB

SoCal #1

SoFlo #51

HI # -6

And I'll take a #31 with extra fish sauce.

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Gonzer

California's #2....everybody else is tied for first.

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rozpalm

trioderob, are you trying to start a war? :D I am going to sit back and enjoy this one.

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Cristóbal

the question more better is for what type of palm ?

the climate of all 3 areas is very diferent. and in the 3 areas thers diferent micro climates. temperature, humiditey, soils, all are diferent in all these areas.

southern california is very good for the palms of the desert and palms that dont like hot humid heat. and what part southern california ? by the sea or in the hot desert ?

florida is very good for hot humid palms. and what part florida ? miami, key west, orlando, or north florida ?

hawaii ? what altitude and dry or wet side of a island ?

southern california - not good for adonidia, cocos nucifera, some veitchia

florida - not good for rhopalostylis, howea, jubea

hawaii - not good for desert palms, cool climate palms.

this is not some competition ! what is the climate, is what it is !

better to ask about one palm.

Edited by Cristóbal

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PalmatierMeg

I'm with Cristobal

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syersj

Where is South Texas in this survey. I would argue that Deep S. TX is better than SoCal for some palms (outside of the 50 year freeze).

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Dypsisdean

That's like asking which is better for people. Every person has different things that make them happy. Palms are no different.

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DoomsDave

If you're going by the number of species you can grow, I'd say Hawaii, hands down.

It lacks the extreme heat and humidity of Florida, which means you can raise Jubes, Braheas, Rhopies, etc. there. At the same time, it never, ever gets cold, ever, unless you GO up to the top Mauna Whatever. You can also raise Pigafetta, Cyrtostachys, etc., which won't make it in the long run in Florida.

Hawaii kicks [butt] for palms over the others IMHO. No question about it.

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bubba

I am with Cristobal!

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oliver

Forget South Texas - for anyone that has been to Jeff Markus' nursery or seen the stuff that Bo has, there is absolutely no question that Hawaii wins (over anywhere else in the world as far as I can tell) 90% of palms are from tropical regions and Hawaii is far closer to tropical than anywhere on the mainland. As far as South Texas goes, I believe that our biggest problem is the summertime heat vs the winter cold. This is also true for South Florida. More species die here in the summer than in the winter. I would bet on Hawaii (windward side of the big Island) as one of the best places to cultivate palms anywhere in the world.

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rozpalm

With the exception of Matty, you guys are far too pragmatic! :asleep:

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sonoranfans
If you're going by the number of species you can grow, I'd say Hawaii, hands down.

It lacks the extreme heat and humidity of Florida, which means you can raise Jubes, Braheas, Rhopies, etc. there. At the same time, it never, ever gets cold, ever, unless you GO up to the top Mauna Whatever. You can also raise Pigafetta, Cyrtostachys, etc., which won't make it in the long run in Florida.

Hawaii kicks [butt] for palms over the others IMHO. No question about it.

I am with Dave, Hawaii rocks for palms. But really florida and socal are great places to grow palms, I'd take any of the 3 and be happy :drool: .

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Kim

Cristóbal wins the stuffed teddy bear. Fortunately there are enough species successful in a variety of climates, so we all get a chance at our own version of paradise.

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:mellow: Ok, that was a nice thing to say, but I think I'd prefer Hawaii, thank you very much.

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Manolitus

Everybody that lives in So. Cali wishes they lived in South Florida.

Everybody that lives in South Florida wishes they lived in Hawaii.

Everybody that lives in Hawaii wants to stay there.

Any questions ? :)

Manny

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BS Man about Palms
Everybody that lives in So. Cali wishes they lived in South Florida.

Everybody that lives in South Florida wishes they lived in Hawaii.

Everybody that lives in Hawaii wants to stay there.

Any questions ? :)

Manny

Close Manny. I wish my palms lived in So Flo, but "I" like the climate better here. Other than that, I agree.

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Moose

There is no answer without creating a controversy and/or hard feelings.

I pick Thailand :drool:

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Shon

I'd take the Gold Coast.

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Geoff

There is always some place better in the world... but seriously... you can grow maybe 450 species in California, most which look unhappy or struggle or are so slow only your distant relatives may glimpse a mature version, and perhaps that many or more in South Florida with at least most growing to maturity in just a half dozen years or so... but well over 2000 in Hawaii with few having any problems at all... hmmmm. What sort of no-brainer question was this?

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Moose
Everybody that lives in So. Cali wishes they lived in South Florida.

Everybody that lives in South Florida wishes they lived in Hawaii.

Everybody that lives in Hawaii wants to stay there.

Any questions ? :)

Manny

Manny - I suspect that your theory may be accurate.

No questions. :)

Ron.

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John in Andalucia

I will go with Hawaii - but yes, Batman can practically fly, whereas Spiderman sticks to walls.

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bubba

I love Hawaii and California(Arizona is sweet also) but going global, how can we forget Australia?

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Daryl
I love Hawaii and California(Arizona is sweet also) but going global, how can we forget Australia?

Not to mention Central and South America, Pacific Islands, SE Asia etc...

Daryl

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rozpalm

Bubba, the OP said in the US. Maybe we should settle this with some good ol' fashion college football? :P Nah, on second thought, that's too easy for us.

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Jeff Searle

Bubba & Daryl,

Did you read the topic heading? It only mentions three areas in the United States. Maybe another topic should include all areas of the world.

Jeff

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Daryl
Bubba & Daryl,

Did you read the topic heading? It only mentions three areas in the United States. Maybe another topic should include all areas of the world.

Jeff

Oh well, guess I got carried away...I should read more carefully before offering my comments... :unsure:

Daryl

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John in Andalucia

With respect to the ambiguity of OP's question, I'm also with Cristóbal. Not that I live in the US, but a few parameters wouldn't have gone amiss.

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bubba

Jeff, I agree but it veered. First time I have seen a topic veer on this Board! Then Ron(Hurricane) brings up college football with a negative implication about my Alligators! The Horror!

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epicure3

Shouldn't even be a debate here.

HI #1

FL #2

CA #3

Based on number and variety of possible species grown.

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rozpalm
Jeff, I agree but it veered. First time I have seen a topic veer on this Board! Then Ron(Hurricane) brings up college football with a negative implication about my Alligators! The Horror!

Bubba, I was standing up for your Gators, unless you don't think they can hang with USC. I wish my 'canes could hang with either team, but I know better.

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Borgy230

Of course of these 3 Hawaii would be best, but why even mention California in the list? jeeze, arent there already enough Wash. and CIDP in the world already!?

haha

Rob

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epicure3
Of course of these 3 Hawaii would be best, but why even mention California in the list? jeeze, arent there already enough Wash. and CIDP in the world already!?

haha

Rob

Hmmm....I think that was a jab. Pistols at dawn.

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trioderob

the reason I posted this is that I am new to palms, but in no short order I have found that the big island is

the spot. palms that people are saying grow sooooo slow in san diego sure dont seems to grow slow in hawaii

hanging out at rancho soledad and talking to poeple there was an "eye opener "

(thank god my favorite palm by far is a jubaea !)

Edited by trioderob

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sur4z
Jeff, I agree but it veered. First time I have seen a topic veer on this Board! Then Ron(Hurricane) brings up college football with a negative implication about my Alligators! The Horror!

Bubba, I was standing up for your Gators, unless you don't think they can hang with USC. I wish my 'canes could hang with either team, but I know better.

But...it still is all about the U!!

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DoomsDave
Bubba & Daryl,

Did you read the topic heading? It only mentions three areas in the United States. Maybe another topic should include all areas of the world.

Jeff

All that notwithstanding, I defy anyone to beat Hawaii!

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pogobob
There is always some place better in the world... but seriously... you can grow maybe 450 species in California, most which look unhappy or struggle or are so slow only your distant relatives may glimpse a mature version, and perhaps that many or more in South Florida with at least most growing to maturity in just a half dozen years or so... but well over 2000 in Hawaii with few having any problems at all... hmmmm. What sort of no-brainer question was this?

Yeah palms are a waste of time here in SoCal, it amazes me that so many of us pretend that they grow successfully here and even make the effort! :lol: I wonder why anyone who has been involved with palm growing and facination with photography of palms can't extract themselves (Geoff) from their own personal palm ghetto and head to the greener side of the fence? If your lifes work consists of crying about frozen or sundried palms than I guess I believe you should try cactus.

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Mark Heath
Jeff, I agree but it veered. First time I have seen a topic veer on this Board! Then Ron(Hurricane) brings up college football with a negative implication about my Alligators! The Horror!

Bubba, I was standing up for your Gators, unless you don't think they can hang with USC. I wish my 'canes could hang with either team, but I know better.

But...it still is all about the U!!

Actually,,, it's all about the "O"!!!!! :winkie: Just kidding!! I agree, it is all about the U,, of F!!!!!!

Go Gators!!!!! :)

My vote is Hawaii as number 1. Should'nt be a debate at all!!! But i would still prefer to live in S.Florida though,

been there, done that, and loved it!

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epicure3
There is always some place better in the world... but seriously... you can grow maybe 450 species in California, most which look unhappy or struggle or are so slow only your distant relatives may glimpse a mature version, and perhaps that many or more in South Florida with at least most growing to maturity in just a half dozen years or so... but well over 2000 in Hawaii with few having any problems at all... hmmmm. What sort of no-brainer question was this?

Yeah palms are a waste of time here in SoCal, it amazes me that so many of us pretend that they grow successfully here and even make the effort! :lol: I wonder why anyone who has been involved with palm growing and facination with photography of palms can't extract themselves (Geoff) from their own personal palm ghetto and head to the greener side of the fence? If your lifes work consists of crying about frozen or sundried palms than I guess I believe you should try cactus.

Boy, when you're right, you're right. I'm going to cut these guys down today. I'm tired of wasting my time.

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Moose

I love then guys the prove the naysayers wrong! :wub:

Ron. :)

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