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What is this?  Polyandrococos?

DoomsDave

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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Howdyall:

When Matty & Bill (BS Man about palms, chicklets, etc.) came to visit, I gave them the tour, including the deep, dark bowels of my Death Camp.

We found this palm, in the shade, and Bill thought it might be a Polyandrococos?

If so, I guess it needs to go in the sun, post-haste . . . .

ID, anyone?

dave

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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And, a close-up of the base . . . .

(SHoe's a 12" (30 cm) long American size 12 . . . .

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

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Dave,

  Like Ryan said, I agree it looks like P. caud. Does it have a silvery/white on the underside of the leaf? If so, then it's the real deal.

  I found that as a small plant, they do need some shade where ever you plant it. Eventually, they can handle the full sun.

  Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Jim in Los Altos Grand Master

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Hey Dave,

Not sure what you've got there but I'm not seeing a Polyandrococos caudescens. Here are two pics of one one mine that's about the same size as the palm in your picture. Notice the fatter, almost oval leaves.

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Looks like the same palm to me, just yours has been well taken care of while Daves has been trying to eke out a living at Daves Death Camp!  ???

PS- Yes its silver under the leaves.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

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Dave,

     Trim some of that brown off the leaves, straighten her up, add some fresh potting soil and get some nutricote( Dynamite brand,sold at Home Depot) fertilizer in there! Keep in the shade, and well watered. Off you go now........ :)

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Danny- I've noticed that a lot of Ceroxylons have a"silver crease" as it were, on the front of the leaves also. From an early age to boot.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Jim in Los Altos

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Call me stubborn but I'm still not seeing Polyandrococos. The one I have pictured in my earlier reply above started out in that pot in very neglected condition and it still didn't look like Dave's palm. The longer, more upright petioles on Dave's remind me more of something else, possibly Ceroxylon or is this a variation that may be characteristic of some Polyies. Either way with a little tender loving care Dave's palm will show its full potential in a few seasons.

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sunset zone 16

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Oh yes, its doing the "sideways growth" thing too, that should rule out Ceroxylon.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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I totally agree with Jeff.  Look at the underside and you'll know.  Polyandrococos have that wide leaflet when juvenile and the underside gives it away.

Phil

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Gileno Machado

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Amigos:

I guess Polyandrococos is now considered Allagoptera caudescens. This is a species native to my area but it is seldom seen in habitat now. The underside colour is almost talc white and this is the distinguishing key to ID. The zebra spear is also unique among other palms. Maybe the size and shape of the initial leaves can vary according to the exposure status where the palm is growing. I've had mine in partial to full sun since I've bought them as seedlings.

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(Jeff Searle @ Nov. 12 2006,17:28)

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Dave,

     Trim some of that brown off the leaves, straighten her up, add some fresh potting soil and get some nutricote( Dynamite brand,sold at Home Depot) fertilizer in there! Keep in the shade, and well watered. Off you go now........ :)

Hey Phil- or other So Cal folks with "repotting experience"  (one would think I would know)   If you chose to "repot" a palm that may be struggling a little and the "pot/palm" will be staying outside, is it OK to pot up now, or is springtime a better time?

I have plenty to pot up, and was thinking of using the greenhouse, but then it would be WAY too small!!

Help? Comments?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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You know Bill, sometimes you can pop a palm right out of the pot and place it in a new one and barely bother a root. In which case, I don't think it matters. Then there are times when it seems like all the soil just falls away. Shock and Awe---not a good move for a touchy rare palm with winter around the corner. IMO

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Bump!  and Thanks Dean, any others?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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