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freakypalmguy
On 9/17/2021 at 8:13 AM, Tracy said:

Only one of my two of this E. whitelockii x sclavoi hybrids is coning right now.  Last year was the first time for the male and this year I found out that my other one is female.

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Love to see a pic of the whole enchilada.

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Firepalm
On 9/17/2021 at 8:13 AM, Tracy said:

Only one of my two of this E. whitelockii x sclavoi hybrids is coning right now.  Last year was the first time for the male and this year I found out that my other one is female.

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Congrats Tracy! Beautiful.  I will try and get an updated shot of mine now that the cones and the flush are fully out.  

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Scott W

Looks like my female Multifrondis didn't make it.  Noted the cone breaking down and upon closer inspection found her to be rotten to the core.   Really not sure what happened, lots of factors could be at play.  

Hoping the seed turns out good....

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GeneAZ

Don't dig it up, though.  What you're seeing could be just the reproductive structure rotting away.  The caudex could still be intact.  I'd recommend cleaning away all the debris and keeping moisture off the apex.

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Scott W
On 9/22/2021 at 3:36 PM, GeneAZ said:

Don't dig it up, though.  What you're seeing could be just the reproductive structure rotting away.  The caudex could still be intact.  I'd recommend cleaning away all the debris and keeping moisture off the apex.

I cleaned her up but don't have much hope as the caudex was mushy.  But I'll wait and see what happens 

On a positive note, the Cycas thourasii is holding her seeds.  Noted a little scale which needs to be treated as well.

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Tracy
4 hours ago, Scott W said:

But I'll wait and see what happens 

On a positive note, the Cycas thourasii is holding her seeds. 

Have plenty of patience, as it takes a long time for them to reach the stage they come off and you can assess if any are viable.   Good luck with them Scott.

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Tracy

I've tried pollinating this Cycas tropophylla x micholitzii a couple of times previously without success, not even full size seeds grew in the past.  While I have no idea if this last pollination took, at least there are some positive signs this time with full size fruit/seeds produced.  This time I tried Cycas debaoensis pollen.  Patience will tell.

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GeneAZ
13 hours ago, Tracy said:

I've tried pollinating this Cycas tropophylla x micholitzii a couple of times previously without success, not even full size seeds grew in the past.  While I have no idea if this last pollination took, at least there are some positive signs this time with full size fruit/seeds produced.  This time I tried Cycas debaoensis pollen.  Patience will tell.

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Maybe she just wanted to be older first.

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freakypalmguy

E. transvenosus pushing that big cone out of the way. This is the time of year this plant always flushes so I get varying degrees of quality, depending on how the weather holds out over the next few weeks.

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Tracy
10 hours ago, freakypalmguy said:

transvenosus pushing that big cone out of the way. This is the time of year this plant always flushes so I get varying degrees of quality, depending on how the weather holds out over the next few weeks.

My Encephalartos transvenosus usually flushes a little earlier in the season, so not in such a precarious time weather wise for damage.  The difference could be that mine hasn't coned yet.  I have this sort of late season flush with my E laurentianus after pushing cones, but it did some strangely timed flushes even before getting to coning age.  Any plans to pollinate this girl you have?

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Tracy

This only pushed a flush on the large pup off on the other side this year and last year the main caudex skipped a year as well, pushing it's first cone.  This year I'm getting doubles. Last photo was about a month ago, when she was still holding the old cone with the 2 younger sisters pushing her out of the way.

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freakypalmguy
1 hour ago, Tracy said:

My Encephalartos transvenosus usually flushes a little earlier in the season, so not in such a precarious time weather wise for damage.  The difference could be that mine hasn't coned yet.  I have this sort of late season flush with my E laurentianus after pushing cones, but it did some strangely timed flushes even before getting to coning age.  Any plans to pollinate this girl you have?

Interesting, I thought it might be a transvenosus thing that was ingrained in its genetics, but I guess yours flushing earlier in the season squashes my theory. 
 

Yes, I was able to pollinate it with blue arenarius from a very blue plant. Playing the waiting game now, fingers crossed.

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Tracy
13 hours ago, freakypalmguy said:
14 hours ago, Tracy said:

 

Interesting, I thought it might be a transvenosus thing that was ingrained in its genetics, but I guess yours flushing earlier in the season squashes my theory

Do you recall if yours flushed earlier before it started coning?  Climate can play a difference as well, but typically people a little further inland and hence warmer earlier in the spring tend to have flushes earlier than mine do.  This is the reverse though, so I'll be interested if yours shifted to later flushes only after it began coning.  You may still be right about the genetics component to flush timing after taking that into account.

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freakypalmguy
On 10/6/2021 at 9:37 AM, Tracy said:

Do you recall if yours flushed earlier before it started coning?  Climate can play a difference as well, but typically people a little further inland and hence warmer earlier in the spring tend to have flushes earlier than mine do.  This is the reverse though, so I'll be interested if yours shifted to later flushes only after it began coning.  You may still be right about the genetics component to flush timing after taking that into account.

No, it has always flushed late season even before coning. Almost everything else at my place start early spring.

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Manalto

An update to my Cycas debaoensis flush, increasing by 100% the number of fronds on this plant. Patience...

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Is it too early to tell if this is likely to have multiple leaflet divisions once it matures?

As you can see, it's acorn-drop time for live oak. I wonder if they contribute nutrients to the soil.

 

 

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freakypalmguy
On 10/5/2021 at 4:55 PM, Tracy said:

This only pushed a flush on the large pup off on the other side this year and last year the main caudex skipped a year as well, pushing it's first cone.  This year I'm getting doubles. Last photo was about a month ago, when she was still holding the old cone with the 2 younger sisters pushing her out of the way.

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What did you end up pollinating her with? What’s your plan for the twins?

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Tracy
1 hour ago, freakypalmguy said:

What did you end up pollinating her with? What’s your plan for the twins?

Bradon had pollen from one of his male E horridus x woodii which was used on last year's cone.  The sinkers harvested from that cone are still in a bag that I need to clean but I planned on discussing pollen with Bradon for this pair when we get together.  My initial thought would be at a minimum use pollen from two distinct cones even if we did the same back cross again, but there is time to consider.  These have some growing to do yet and last year's cone wasn't receptive until January.

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freakypalmguy

Very cool, I agree with you, no sense in using the same on both. My cone was receptive in feb or march, I’d have to check my notes.

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Tracy
7 hours ago, freakypalmguy said:

My cone was receptive in feb or march, I’d have to check my notes.

Do you have a female E horridus x woodii too?  I don't know when E woodii male cones typically yield pollen (best estimate when the now extinct E woodii female probably were receptive), but my horri-wood seems pretty closely timed to when my horridus female cone is receptive which shouldn't be surprising given the shared heritage.

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freakypalmguy

No sorry I was talking about my transvenosus female.

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Tracy
1 hour ago, freakypalmguy said:

No sorry I was talking about my transvenosus female.

That makes sense given your late flushes on this species for you.  Many of the Encephalartos species have different timing, just look back through when photos were posted of different cones in this thread over the years.  I've already removed the male cone on a cerinus as it was decaying, while my longifolius cones are still growing and a trispinosis had shed pollen on its lower leaflets when I walked by this morning so is at its prime.

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freakypalmguy
1 hour ago, Tracy said:

That makes sense given your late flushes on this species for you.  Many of the Encephalartos species have different timing, just look back through when photos were posted of different cones in this thread over the years.  I've already removed the male cone on a cerinus as it was decaying, while my longifolius cones are still growing and a trispinosis had shed pollen on its lower leaflets when I walked by this morning so is at its prime.

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