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Butia x Cocos


edbrown_III

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Is this for real Ed? I've been wondering if this was possible and how long it would be until it came into existence. What zone is he in? Do you have more Photos to show of this palm?

Palms are life, the rest is details.

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As near as i can reckon it is--- only other remote possibility is Butia x pseudococos as this is in the yard but sure looks cocos like in person

I cant seem to post other photos but will do so soon

Best regards

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Is this for real Ed? I've been wondering if this was possible and how long it would be until it came into existence. What zone is he in? Do you have more Photos to show of this palm?

I am in Orlando Florida, zone 9b. Thanks Ed for posting new pics! If anyone wants to see more that i took, look at my thread,, Reserected,, my Cocos have come back!! The thread was transformed to the BXCocos thread! I will say though that Ed took some pics while i was holding the fronds open, so those would be the best pics to see just how wide the strap fronds are!

Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

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Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

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LEMMIE AT IT LEMME AT IT!!!

Look at that beuty! Is that for real!? If it was really crossed with a butia doesnt that mean that its tolerance for wet and cold weather just skyrocketed!? Let us know how it does.

Meteorologist and PhD student in Climate Science

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I don't understand. Is it or isn't it a Cocos butia hybrid?

Edit: OK, I hadn't read the other thread about Mark's place. So it's never directly stated but from what I understand this plant sprang forth from a batch of Butia seed from Mark's property, on which there's mulitple flowering Coco's around? So this is an unintentional hybrid, if it's a hybrid at all, correct? Looks cool man!

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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photos from last August ---- not the palm went through this bad winter.

Best regards

Ed

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Thank you for the updated picture Ed. That thing is rad looking. I can't tell from the pics, but are the petioles armed? It just can't be straight Butia, unless it's some wicked mutation. I wish we could fast forward it a couple of years so we would know for sure, but I guess we have to be patient, darn it.

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

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Could it be Butia x S. amara? I'm just wondering what other large strap leaved Syagrus it might be before believing it's a Coco hybrid.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck. That hybrid definately looks like what I would imagine what a Butia X Coconut would look like. In fact, it seems to have more Coconut qualities than I would expect. If they can germinate a 2000 year old date palm seed, I suppose anything is possible.

Dick

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Kai,

NEVER, since I think this was a fluke. It's very hard to hybridize some palms, and I would think Butia X Coconut would be one of the most difficult. A hybrid like that would always be very rare.........and very expensive. I hope I will be proven wrong.

Dick

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Richard Douglas

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I still can't believe my eyes! :drool:

When will the first (hybrid) nursery pick this up and make business out of this? ...anybody?

Just need fresh Cocos pollen. Anyone have any???????????????????? Our Butias are ready.

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I see alot of Butia in it, not sure on Cocos; many juvenile Syagrus will hold "diamond" shaped fronds, amara does this until headhigh at least. Tho I must admit if this be true even I would have to possess one of these...

- dave

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Thank you for the updated picture Ed. That thing is rad looking. I can't tell from the pics, but are the petioles armed? It just can't be straight Butia, unless it's some wicked mutation. I wish we could fast forward it a couple of years so we would know for sure, but I guess we have to be patient, darn it.

The petioles are not armed Matt, so that is good! Not even a hint of thorns!

Also, i have a large Syagrus Amara but it is'nt flowering yet, so that is'nt it. Yes Matty, it was an unintentional hybrid,,

you see, i leave the cleaned inflorescence open to the air and i pollinate the second day of anthesis, that way i don't waist pollen. I would have to pollinate twice if i did it any other way. There are only two flowering Butias on my property and i keep all inflorescences in check so i don't get contamination from Butia pollen.

Like Ed stated, the only possable palm that could've pollinated it other than the two large flowering Cocos is the Syagrus Pseudococos hybrid. I have many of intentional hybrids w/ that palm being the pollen donor and none of them look like the supposed BXC.N.

I live in the country, 3 1/2 acre tracts and my neighbors have a few Queens but that is it.

Like i have said before, if i cant get a visit from Larry Noblick, then i guess i'll have to wait untill it flowers to truly ID it!

Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

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Could be another mutant Butia like Butia capitata var. strictior or Butia capitata var. orodata... ?

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Whoops, I already know that they can do DNA verification with pretty much anything, I meant a commercial test for plants.

Jason

Gainesville, Florida

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Mark, Can you update us on this palm? :drool:

Hey Scott,

I did a test this past nasty winter. I did not cover the above hybrid to see what the cold tolerance would be. Unfortunatly

it did not have any damage what so ever. I have a BXS.Costeae which has recieved about 50% burn during these last two bad winters. Seeing the Cocos is cold tender i would imagine that i have a mutant Mule. Just a guess but to be certain i will study the inflorescence when it finally produces one.

Here is an updated pic that i just took, please disregard the date on the pic. I need to correct my cameras date!

I have some seedlings that i produced (BXCocos) and i am waiting for them to grow.

Mark

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Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

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Mark, Can you update us on this palm? :drool:

Hey Scott,

I did a test this past nasty winter. I did not cover the above hybrid to see what the cold tolerance would be. Unfortunatly

it did not have any damage what so ever. I have a BXS.Costeae which has recieved about 50% burn during these last two bad winters. Seeing the Cocos is cold tender i would imagine that i have a mutant Mule. Just a guess but to be certain i will study the inflorescence when it finally produces one.

Here is an updated pic that i just took, please disregard the date on the pic. I need to correct my cameras date!

I have some seedlings that i produced (BXCocos) and i am waiting for them to grow.

Mark

Mark,

Thanks for the update! It is a very nice looking palm.

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4 hours ago, Kris said:

Yes,even iam curious...as to how its doing now.

even if it is a pseudophoenix x butia it is still interesting.

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I also was impressed with this photos . I´d like to know how this palm looks today....

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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What did the seed look like on this palm?  Was it more or less a Butia shape and size, or was it quite different?

Edited by David York

UK zone 8b/9a. No heavy frosts. Occasional -6c. Dull wet winters. Cool summers.

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