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Discussing: Neoveitchia brunnea


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Hi all,

Many people know of its popular cousin N. storckii but is anyone growing brunnea? Feel free to add any pics.

Cheers,

Mike

Michael Ferreira

Bermuda-Humid(77% ave), Subtropical Zone 11, no frost

Warm Season: (May-November): Max/Min 81F/73F

Cool Season: (Dec-Apr): Max/Min 70F/62F

Record High: 94F

Record Low: 43F

Rain: 55 inches per year with no dry/wet season

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I wish! I don't think it's ever been available here in Hawaii. At least not since I moved here in 1995.

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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I wish! I don't think it's ever been available here in Hawaii. At least not since I moved here in 1995.

Me too! They look like pretty cool plants. I wonder why they are not cultivated more... I struggle just to find pictures on the web.

Michael Ferreira

Bermuda-Humid(77% ave), Subtropical Zone 11, no frost

Warm Season: (May-November): Max/Min 81F/73F

Cool Season: (Dec-Apr): Max/Min 70F/62F

Record High: 94F

Record Low: 43F

Rain: 55 inches per year with no dry/wet season

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I wish! I don't think it's ever been available here in Hawaii. At least not since I moved here in 1995.

Me too! They look like pretty cool plants. I wonder why they are not cultivated more... I struggle just to find pictures on the web.

Could you post a few links to pix? I don't think many of us have ever seen one. I know I haven't.

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Ken, here is about the only link I could find containing a pic of Neoveitchia brunnea:

http://www.virtualherbarium.org/psg/flagsh...ia-brunnea.html

Michael Ferreira

Bermuda-Humid(77% ave), Subtropical Zone 11, no frost

Warm Season: (May-November): Max/Min 81F/73F

Cool Season: (Dec-Apr): Max/Min 70F/62F

Record High: 94F

Record Low: 43F

Rain: 55 inches per year with no dry/wet season

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N. brunnea is only native to a few islands in Vanuatu, notably the island of Pentecost (sp?). You need permission from the leader of the native tribe to travel there, so I am told. It looks like N. storckii with a green pseudocrownshaft. It would be great to add to a collection though.

Christian Faulkner

Venice, Florida - South Sarasota County.

www.faulknerspalms.com

 

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Last year I had a friend who was studying in Port Villa and I asked her to try to interest some of the botany students to obtain some seeds for me.

The only reply was that people do not like to go near that palm as it is known as a devil palm and is very dangerous and has much superstition about it. It seems that Pentecost Island is one of those places with wild stories and strange powers associated with the place.

This palm is said to pass on a deadly stomach illness to anyone that touches it. The elders maintain that evil spirits fed on its fruits and that it can kill a man.

So I could not get anyone to go there for it's seed.

Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

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I have been to Port Vila, which is a cute little town, but I'm sure Pentecost Island is a whole different story. That's where bungee jumping was invented! I'm sure many of you have seen it on Discovery or National Geographic. In a ritual to celebrate the Yam harvest the men throw themselves off this very tall tower, head first, hoping that the vines they've tied to their ankles will break the fall inches before they would otherwise hit the ground! Not sure what the connection would be to the N. brunnea, but any place where people do crazy stuff like that just because they're happy with their yams is probably a place that is, well...different! :lol:

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Interesting stuff Fiji. The attached link has similiar info but I didn't think that it was so infamous in that region.

I wonder if there could be a scientific explanation as to why merely touching a palm would cause illness. Maybe some weird disease causing insect inhabits the palms habitat? I could understand if the seeds were poisonous and they got sick by eating them. It's most likely BS. Hence, my agreement with Bo's conclusion.

We might have to call MythBusters and get them to do an experiment! And while their there, get them to bring back some seed.

Michael Ferreira

Bermuda-Humid(77% ave), Subtropical Zone 11, no frost

Warm Season: (May-November): Max/Min 81F/73F

Cool Season: (Dec-Apr): Max/Min 70F/62F

Record High: 94F

Record Low: 43F

Rain: 55 inches per year with no dry/wet season

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I have been to Port Vila, which is a cute little town, but I'm sure Pentecost Island is a whole different story. That's where bungee jumping was invented! I'm sure many of you have seen it on Discovery or National Geographic. In a ritual to celebrate the Yam harvest the men throw themselves off this very tall tower, head first, hoping that the vines they've tied to their ankles will break the fall inches before they would otherwise hit the ground! Not sure what the connection would be to the N. brunnea, but any place where people do crazy stuff like that just because they're happy with their yams is probably a place that is, well...different! :lol:

It's all relative :mrlooney:

I'm always up for learning new things!

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N. brunnea is only native to a few islands in Vanuatu, notably the island of Pentecost (sp?). You need permission from the leader of the native tribe to travel there, so I am told. It looks like N. storckii with a green pseudocrownshaft. It would be great to add to a collection though.

I'm wondering how you go about getting permission from the leader of the local tribe without having first gone there to see him. I'm assuming he doesn't have email. Maybe the postman has a twice monthly appointment or something.

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Corey Lucas-Divers

Dorset, UK

Ave Jul High 72F/22C (91F/33C Max)

Ave Jul Low 52F/11C (45F/7C Min)

Ave Jan High 46F/8C (59F/15C Max)

Ave Jan Low 34F/1C (21F/-6C Min)

Ave Rain 736mm pa

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I've seen those high-diving maniacs on television documentaries. They were no doubt the same people responsible for the phrase, "face plant".

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I seem to recall the percentage of fatalities is quite high. Maybe it's part of the "leader's" plan to keep the island's population in check.

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Corey Lucas-Divers

Dorset, UK

Ave Jul High 72F/22C (91F/33C Max)

Ave Jul Low 52F/11C (45F/7C Min)

Ave Jan High 46F/8C (59F/15C Max)

Ave Jan Low 34F/1C (21F/-6C Min)

Ave Rain 736mm pa

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With all these great stories, I really want one now. I heard that Bill (Pious Palm). would really like to go on an exotic palm excursion. Maybe we could all chip in and provide him an all expense paid vacation to this island so long has he comes back with enough seed for everyone. ;) Bill you in?

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Ron

Wellington, Florida

Zone 11 in my mind

Zone 10a 9a in reality

13miles West of the Atlantic in Palm Beach County

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Great idea, let Bill go. He can take his bible and use it as protection from the natives and from the Devil Palm.

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Corey Lucas-Divers

Dorset, UK

Ave Jul High 72F/22C (91F/33C Max)

Ave Jul Low 52F/11C (45F/7C Min)

Ave Jan High 46F/8C (59F/15C Max)

Ave Jan Low 34F/1C (21F/-6C Min)

Ave Rain 736mm pa

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This is getting interesting (and goofy).

Is there any chance someone knows of one outside the island?

All we need is a few seeds and a few years and we can have this sucker growing all over.

I will see if Kingfish can stir things up.

I DIG PALMS

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By stir things up, you mean parachute on the island armed to the teeth? :lol: I don't mind dying for a palm cause. I am a likable guy, but if they start shooting arrows and what have you, I have no choice but to defend myself. Let me do some research......Im not afraid of a "Devil Palm".

Christian Faulkner

Venice, Florida - South Sarasota County.

www.faulknerspalms.com

 

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I can see Christian's skull on the end of a stick of the Devil palm being carried by the natives during a tribal ritual....another western white man attempting to conquer the Devil Palm! :evil:

Rick Leitner

Fort Lauderdale, Florida

26.07N/80.15W

Zone 10B

Average Annual Low 67 F

Average Annual High 84 F

Average Annual Rainfall 62"

 

Riverfront exposure, 1 mile from Atlantic Ocean

Part time in the western mountains of North Carolina

Gratefully, the best of both worlds!

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  • 2 months later...

We would have to send Ryan with Christian so we could get a blow by blow photo essay!

:floor:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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We would have to send Ryan with Christian so we could get a blow by blow photo essay!

:floor:

Ryan's busy potting up....... :lol:

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Ryan is working ? Now there is a photo opportunity!

:floor:

Best regards,

Ron.

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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On 2/11/2009 at 8:02 AM, rozpalm said:

With all these great stories, I really want one now. I heard that Bill (Pious Palm). would really like to go on an exotic palm excursion. Maybe we could all chip in and provide him an all expense paid vacation to this island so long has he comes back with enough seed for everyone. ;) Bill you in?

How in the devil’s realm did I miss this?!  

 

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In the last decade, someone must indeed have parachuted into the island. There are nice examples in Hawaii now, but sadly, I missed out on the opportunity to snag one.

Somebody post a pic of your palm!

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Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
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Just planted 9/10 seeds received from Germany.  3/9 had white fuzzies on the endocarp, hit em with Captan50 and stuck em in the soil...  prayed over the devil seeds.   :evil::innocent:^_^

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Big group of very mature ones at hoomaluhia, next time Iʻm there Iʻll snap a few photos. but they are

so tall, not real distinctive. 

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On 1/22/2020 at 6:48 AM, colin Peters said:

Big group of very mature ones at hoomaluhia, next time Iʻm there Iʻll snap a few photos. but they are

so tall, not real distinctive. 

Wished I had spent time wandering around this garden when I was over Laie for the Global ‘Ulu summit...  next time!  Eager to see pics!  

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