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mike453

Bruce,

That is the same response I received from the USDA when I emailed them regarding these seeds, and lemurophoenix seeds. No special import permit needed

besides the regular agricultural permit I already have. They must be accompanied by a permit from the country of origin.

                                Mike

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Zac in NC

Mike- Are you planning to move someplace warmer eventually. Lemurophoenix in OH? Wow.

Thanks for the pics, guys. This is an interesting thread.

Zac

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mike453

(Zac in NC @ Mar. 23 2007,20:59)

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Mike- Are you planning to move someplace warmer eventually. Lemurophoenix in OH? Wow.

Thanks for the pics, guys. This is an interesting thread.

Zac

Zac,

I don't have any Lemurs, I had one germinate in November but it did not make it. I am hoping for more germinations. I would LOVE to move to someplace warmer, but taking care of my parents is more important. Untill I can move, I will just keep the power companys profits rolling in. At least they help heat the house in the winter :D

                           Mike

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calyptrocalyx&licuala freck

:) Hi Bruce

 If we go back to a thread ,"Super Agg" ,I was letting people know

theres a heck of a lot of changes soon to be inforced .

We're copping them right now,There Super lists of

what soon will be made uniform world wild.

Only if seeds are C.V, & be 2nd Generation can the be moved. Anything harvested in wild has a  'W' thats

the big Full Stop There,Only if ya want to move them

illeally and also, make a false statement, Well thats up

to who ever wants to do, But Be Very Careful.  

I understand what there telling you,But it's not working

that way at all. We've had some 'sp'  named ones completely removed

from what we use to be able to import,not on the list,

Now A submission must be made, money paid and along

time b4 anythings done.

{Still need to include movement advises}

Your guys U.S.D.A/ has being trailing things over here

4 ages.

Ask the officer to sign that paper work Stating that,

B4 He finds out He's not up to date,

Give him my Email I'd allow that,{ Of course get what you

need in writing First.} :)

       Regards Mike.E.

P.S.

Thats when seeds will go missing soon, don't get me

wrong guys, I know what there saying to ya and understand ,you may find more go than ever b4.

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Moose

Jerry,

This was the only picture of one of two palms that we saw. They were basically the same size also.

Christian,

This was definitely a Forest Coconut. It was confirmed by Pete Balasky, Bill Beatie( Australia) and our local guide. We saw Marojejya insignis growing up in the Marojejy Mtns. earlier. They are completely different in looks.

Ron,

This large speciman was one of only 2 palms growing in cultivation out in full sun. The area was a steep hill side, and where further up the mountain there is a small population in habitat growing.Bill, Pete and a guide has visited this population earlier on another trip.

This small speciman is growing in my yard, here in South Florida. It was planted about 4 years ago and is 2 feet tall now. It has been slow growing, but after removing some heliconia leaves away from it earlier this summer, it has responded well and is growing a little faster now . It is not the largest plant in the ground, but I am extreamly pleased and will be planting more in the ground next year. My soil is a rich organic type and gets plenty of water as needed.

Jeff - any chance we can get a new picture. It would be interesting to see how much it has grown in two years? rolleyes.gif

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Mandrew968

Just finished reading this thread and can't help but feel the same way Jeff does about Voaniola making its way into cultivation for the sake of its long term survival. Can anyone post photos of their palm? I gather this palm doesn't do too well in Southern California... Probably not so good in Florida either? Is Hawaii one of the only places it's making it? Australia, maybe?

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Mandrew968

Just finished reading this thread and can't help but feel the same way Jeff does about Voaniola making its way into cultivation for the sake of its long term survival. Can anyone post photos of their palm? I gather this palm doesn't do too well in Southern California... Probably not so good in Florida either? Is Hawaii one of the only places it's making it? Australia, maybe?

Where are all the collectors with this palm??? :indifferent:

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realarch

Here's a pic of my Voanioala, been in the ground for about a year now. Not as slow as I thought and so far an easy grow. Full sun, well drained slope, and of course lots of

rainfall.

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Mandrew968

Here's a pic of my Voanioala, been in the ground for about a year now. Not as slow as I thought and so far an easy grow. Full sun, well drained slope, and of course lots of

rainfall.

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Very nice, and thank you for the comments about it being easy for you. Anyone trying this palm in South Florida?

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Kim

I have seen Voanioala gerardii "growing" in two San Diego County gardens -- they were alive, and that was considered a victory by their owners. But they didn't look anywhere near as healthy as Tim's in Hilo. I have 2 in 5-gal pots in Hawaii -- one is growing noticeably faster than the other even though they are right next to each other (identical conditions). It will be interesting to see if that continues once in the ground.

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Moose

Kim - have they made it into the ground yet?

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akamu

:greenthumb: if anyone has pictures of the two in san diego gardens It would be great to see pictures and hear how they are planted thanks in advance

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Kim

Kim - have they made it into the ground yet?

Here you go, Moose: this is the larger of the two upon planting, December 21, 2012

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And the same palm more recently, July 23, 2013

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Pedro 65

Kim - have they made it into the ground yet?

Here you go, Moose: this is the larger of the two upon planting, December 21, 2012

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And the same palm more recently, July 23, 2013

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Kim, sorry to jump the cue and post before Moose, but the growth you get there is "out of this World", its already a "great looking palm". WOW, thanks for update. Pete :)

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realarch

Good lord Kim, what are you feeding that thing? That's some good growth for such a 's l o w' palm.

The one I showed a pic of earlier is chugging along, but hasn't had the growth spurt yours has experienced.

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Bill Austin

WOW ! KIm take thing is growing like crazy I am going down and show this to mine in the grown right now and tell it this what you are suppose to look like. NOW GET MOVING :rant::rant:

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Kim

it must be the Greta Garbo palm, "I vant to be let alone!" I'm doing nothing special for it at all, as an absentee grower.

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Pedro 65

Wonder if some roots have found that mound behind and said "right" its time for a "Home run" ? :)

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_Keith

Mahatma Gandhi ..."Live as if you were going to die tomorrow...Learn as if you were going to live forever".... but he probably meant to say Garden

Great quote

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Kim

My "fast" Voanioala continues to outpace its twin brother planted on the other side of the plastic. Both palms have access to that mound of soil, I suppose, yet this one is a relative rocket. I have no explanation except that there is variability among plants of a single species. -- AND this palm gives me a thrill every time I look at it! :)

...to be fair, all my palms give me a thrill. :lol:

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mike in kurtistown

If I can do it, anybody should be able to. I acquired three germinated seeds from California in July 2006. One plant died in the pot from budrot, but the other two were planted out in full Hilo sun, one in April 2012, the other in July 2012. The pic is of the larger one, planted in April.

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The plant always seems to be putting up a new leaf, but overall has not been a fast grower.

Of interest might be the one in the old Sullivan garden, imaged in December 2009:

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God knows what has happened to it since a developer bought the property.

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Hammer

Bump...

Any updates on this rare palm?  

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BS Man about Palms

I have seen some here and there, I have one plugging along  overpotted in a 15 gal. I can verify they appear to be cool hardy in pots, but once in the ground here in So Cal it seems to be a crap shoot... recent pics would be awesome.. I may even post mine..

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Hammer
10 hours ago, BS Man about Palms said:

I have seen some here and there, I have one plugging along  overpotted in a 15 gal. I can verify they appear to be cool hardy in pots, but once in the ground here in So Cal it seems to be a crap shoot... recent pics would be awesome.. I may even post mine..

I hope you do post an update.  Very curious to see how yours is growing.  

Found out last night that another SoCal Palmtalker has had one in the ground for a number of years and it is doing very well.  I will let him post his if he so chooses.  This is one that hasn't been mentioned before.

Bill do you think if it was planted high in very loose soil it would improve the odds in the ground?

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mike in kurtistown

Here's my larger one again, after three years. 5-gal bucket for scale.

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realarch

Hello All,

I posted this photo in another V. gerardii thread awhile back, last year sometime, but it's still spectacular. It's grown quite a bit since the pic Mike posted above

back in 2009. I should be able to update it's progress in a couple of weeks from now. 

Tim

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realarch

Here's an update of the 'slow as molasses' one in my garden, although it does seem to be moving a bit faster after 5.5 years in the ground from a 

five gallon pot. Still problem free and one of those palms you just leave alone. 

Tim

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NESH

This has to be the slowest plant in my garden!  Great story behind this palm.  In 2010 I was in Oceanside picking up basic king palms from Mark M and he was generous enough to gift me one as I was just getting into palms.  It went it the ground shortly thereafter.  I believe it came from Clark and it started in one of those citrus pots.  For some reason the palm was loose for first several years and wobbled but it appears to have settled in.  

 

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BS Man about Palms

Compared to the recent beauties posted recently, I'm almost embarrassed to post mine in its 15 gal pot. However since it sat outside all winter and I'm rarely actually embarrassed, here you go...

Tim, I like that we both used water bottles for scale today! hahaha

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Adam, as for your query, I suspect so, but still not sure what is best, or like Kim's palms, it will just take a superior one here to make it. Sadly, I may have had some of those years back from Clark. I picked up some big ones, paid dearly and was shocked that they would sit out all winter and just do fine and keep growing, but at some point they were sitting in the front yard and the weeds overtook them. When I finally spotted them again, they had gone too long without water. But even then they still hung on quite some time..

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BS Man about Palms

Nesh, I hate to say it, but from those pics it does not look like a Voaniola... maybe different pics would prove different. Looks very nice though!! Does it still have the seed nearby?

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realarch

Nesh, looks more like a Syagrus. Not a Voanioala.

Bill, we need to start using whiskey bottles.

Tim

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User00
6 hours ago, realarch said:

Hello All,

I posted this photo in another V. gerardii thread awhile back, last year sometime, but it's still spectacular. It's grown quite a bit since the pic Mike posted above

back in 2009. I should be able to update it's progress in a couple of weeks from now. 

Tim

 

thats great 

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quaman58
10 hours ago, realarch said:

Nesh, looks more like a Syagrus. Not a Voanioala.

Bill, we need to start using whiskey bottles.

Tim

It does indeed look like Syagrus, possibly botryophora; maybe psuedococos. Voanioala leaves split very early on. Nice palm regardless though!

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LJG
18 hours ago, NESH said:

This has to be the slowest plant in my garden!  Great story behind this palm.  In 2010 I was in Oceanside picking up basic king palms from Mark M and he was generous enough to gift me one as I was just getting into palms.  It went it the ground shortly thereafter.  I believe it came from Clark and it started in one of those citrus pots.  For some reason the palm was loose for first several years and wobbled but it appears to have settled in.  

 

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Jawad, the story is right, but the palm isn't. Maybe with all those palms you have planted the real one is still in that jungle,of yours somewhere :)

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Hammer
35 minutes ago, LJG said:

Jawad, the story is right, but the palm isn't. Maybe with all those palms you have planted the real one is still in that jungle,of yours somewhere :)

Are pseudococos and botraphorya slow growers when young?

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BS Man about Palms

Easiest way I could describe I think or look for is it IS a heeled palm that will try a bit to tiller down. The stem so far out o the ground and the non-bifid leafs was the clue.

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Hammer
38 minutes ago, BS Man about Palms said:

Easiest way I could describe I think or look for is it IS a heeled palm that will try a bit to tiller down. The stem so far out o the ground and the non-bifid leafs was the clue.

I was really hoping for a Voanioala.  I have a palm that is identical to Jawad's.  It is slooooow.  Got it from Darian's place.  In fact, I think you and Len tried to ID it the day I got it.  The thinking was a Syagrus or Pritchardia.  

But we were all scratching our heads.  So when Jawad raised Voanioala as a possibility, naturally I got STOKED!  Still struggling with the Syagrus or Pritchardia thought as this thing hasn't moved a muscle since the first Darian sale a few months ago.

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BS Man about Palms

Picture, my lad, picture! :)

 

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Hammer
3 minutes ago, BS Man about Palms said:

Picture, my lad, picture! :)

 

 

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quaman58

It has the look of Syagrus botryophora. Pritchardias obviously have the strap leaves when young, but usually begin losing them by this stage. Every Syagrus I've ever grown from seedlings are really, really slow; taking what seems forever to go pinnate. I have S. amaras that took 6-7 years to go pinnate. Botryophora & psuedococos seem to go pinnate within about 4-5 years, at least in SoCal. We're just a lot cooler than where they're from, so everything happens at a much slower pace.

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