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My Garden in Pyrgos...


Kostas

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Thank you very much for your kind comments! Great to know you don't get tired of it :)

Bonus update then! :)

Went to Pyrgos last weekend and took some photos:

Acrocomia aculeata

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Native Arisarum vulgare

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Back garden, Dicksonia antarctica, Reinardtia paiewonskiana, Ceroxylon amazonicum, Rhopalostylis baueri(Cheesemannii), etc...

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Reinhardtia paiewonskiana

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Gigantochloa atroviolacea

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Garden pathway...2,2m tall Ceroxylon amazonicum took over it...Well, it will soon grown above it!

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Cyphophoenix alba

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Zamioculcas zamiifolia

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Washingtonia robusta(Sonora), Trachycarpus fortunei, Bismarckia nobilis(Silver), Howea forsteriana

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Howea forsteriana and company....

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Syagrus romanzoffiana and Archontophoenix alexandrae canopy above the patio roof :)

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Veitchia joannis, Acantophoenix rubra, Encephalartos munchii(Blue) and Archontophoenix alexandrae trunk

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Archontophoenix alexandrae

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That's all I photographed this time :)

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Looking amazing there mate, well done!!!!

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  • 5 weeks later...

Thank you very very much Ante, Maxim and John!!! :)

Ceroxylon powers along really nicely and is starting to spread, hope my other C. amazonicum follow its bright example soon!

I went to Pyrgos for the holidays and thought I would post a few pictures!

Sabal domingensis

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Acrocomia aculeata seems to be establishing ok, the leaf is sturdy and healthy looking. The second one is long dead, growing point rotted out fast after its summer trip all the way from Florida bareroot

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Beccariophoenix alfredii

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Kentiopsis oliviformis establishing nicely. The necrotic leaf edges are from its summer trip from Florida

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Chambeyronia macrocarpa(Hookeri)

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Chambeyronia along with Neoregelia joannis

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Areca vestiaria. It's looking ok considering that all its sibling are long dead. It's actually opening a new leaf as well! Hope it lives

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Dypsis lastelliana

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Native Arum

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Carpoxylon macrospermum

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Livistona mariae

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Coccothrinax alexandrii ssp. alexandrii

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Strelitzia reginae

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Bismarckia nobilis(Silver)

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Syagrus romanzoffiana trunk and Howea forsteriana

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Kostas

What an amazing garden! And the variety of the palms is impressive. As I understand you don't protect the marginal ones like the areca vestiaria. Keep us posted and keep up the good job.

Stelios

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Thank you very much Ante and Stelios! :)

I don't protect anything in my garden in general as i am not there during the frost events. This time a frost is predicted during my stay in Pyrgos, so i may protect a few favorites if it indeed dips below 0C.

Continuing with the update....

Howea forsteriana

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Veitchia joannis entering its second winter in the ground. Really hope it survives long term, needs to bulk up some to better withstand the cold

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Acanthophoenix rubra

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Encephalartos munchii(Blue) and Archontophoenix alexandrae trunk

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View of the developing garden. Cryosophila wascewiczii visible in the middle :)

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Alocasia odora leaf

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Dioon spinulossum's and Cyphophoenix alba

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Pritchardia schattaueri at 1,20m tall now

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Cryosophila warscewiczii finally reached a good size!

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Bentickia condapanna doing well

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Archontophoenix alexandrae trunk

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...with Magnolia grandiflora in the background

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Alocasia odora, Dioon spinulossum and Cyphophoenix alba among others...

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Chambeyronia macrocarpa(Hookeri), 4years old from seed

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A few photos I took before leaving and haven't posted:

Female Cycas revoluta cone full of seeds! I pollinated it the past summer for the first time and it seems like success! I will be collecting them in a week or a month from now :)

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A side view of the back area of the area of the garden. Musa "Kandrian" and a few other banana cultivars dominate the vegetation with their stature :)

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A shot from under the Musa "Kandrian" mat during dawn. It's bunch is visible as well!

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Cant wait to see them again! :)

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Great garden full of amazing plants :greenthumb: I particularly love how you are trying so many tender palms, with great results, that is something I plan to do here :)

Malta - USDA Zone 11a

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Thank you very much for your kind comments! :)

Nate, looking forward to see your tropicals in Malta! You should be able to grow even more tender species :)

My folks went to Pyrgos for the weekend, for the monthly preventive treatment of the palms against borers. The look was way less greener than just a month before... I spoke on the phone with them and the garden probably had a 60-70% cold damage if not more overall....The thermometer registered -3C or a little less from the only radiational freeze of the year, in early January. This is the lowest it has gotten since i started the garden. There were quite a few surprises both ways, good and bad, but from what i hear, i am cautiously optimistic the vast majority has survived and will recover. The weather is quite good now and the highs are relatively good for growth, so hopefully all will eventually be the way they were within 1,5years, with a good enough recovery and look already by this fall. Lets see...

Photos of the damage will follow when i have them, probably tomorrow... Thats what happens when you have tropical dreams in a less than tropical place....But i can accept that and continue as long as loses are minimal. This cold front was quite close to the record low for the area and came in a surprising and sudden manner.

Some odd stuff: All 6 Howea forsteriana defoliated(or almost) but the newest leaf of Veitchia joannis is in decent shape(!?!?!).

Bentickia condapanna, Cryosophila wascewiczii and an exposed Ravenea krociana are undamaged while a big Monstera deliciosa is quite burned(!) Exposed Beccariophoenix alfredii are moderately burned, one under canopy is undamaged.

A Kentiopsis oliviformis is undamaged while a Chambeyronia macrocarpa right by it defoliated. A K. oliviformis in a different area but also under canopy, defoliated. Exposed Archontophoenix alexandrae also defoliated(or almost) from what i hear. Trunk and crownshaft is good on both, and so are the leaf bases and parts of the rachis. I especially hope the Archontophoenix are ok as they are nice and big plants that should flower soon...

Well, it was a -3C freeze or less....

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:sick: I am truely sorry, and yes casualties do look contradictory,, most the different response of Howea and Chambeyronia on one hand and and the Kentiopsis, Bentickia and the Veitchia on the other :bemused: Archontophoenix is beyond competition because it grew above most effective protection. I wish the best for it but I have to point out, based on my painful experience in the early 00's, that Archos of the size of yours do not die completely quickly, instead they die back slowly, as the initially still green crownshaft rots despite all rescueing efforts like beheading-disinfection treatment. What about your Acanthophoenix and Reinhardtia?

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Sad to hear Konstantinos.

Hopefully things will recover.

I know what you are feeling, some of my transplanted palms (due to a new wall construction) and some others facing its first winter here (and what a winter) got 70 to 90 defoliation rate...

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We all have severe damages this year. Lot of disappointments. A large list at my place. Specialy with Phoenix and Braheas sp. , dozen pulled spears, fried leaves, melted stems.......on the other side, its a fair chance for new seedlings from collections ;)

We will win this race!

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Thanks for the compassion, i am sure we all face similar situations and we aren't happy about them. I find myself quite cool about it, mainly because i have more important things going on in my life but also because its useless to worry or hit yourself for things you can do nothing about, things you cannot control. So, whatever will be, will be....I just hope for the best and i usually am ''hopelessly optimistic'' as Dave(DoomsDave) puts it :)

No outright casualties so far. So all are considered living till, unless they prove otherwise by falling apart. The good thing is we had 3weeks of dry weather immediately after the freeze, so this must have dried out all damaged tissue and helped keep rot away. The weather is and has been warm with the exception of that freak cold night, and will only get warmer according to the forecast, so hope the palms and plants recover fast and that the severely damaged ones push all damage out and don't get bud rot. They have been treated with nematodes for the borers, in a chitosan solution which is known to enhance the immune system of plants and trigger an upregulation of their defence mechanisms, specifically against fungi. This action is strong enough that its used instead of pesticides in commercial organic cultivation of plants, so they do get a boost.

Archontophoenix are not too bad. One has a green spear and some green parts left on the lower leafs while the other is more damaged but i don't believe it can be much more damaged as the last time they damaged, they damaged in a pretty similar manner, its just that the other one had the older leafs yellowed out some from previous frosts and possibly light K deficiency, so this probably does not help with its looks right now but i doubt its actually damaged too much. My folks say the spear is gray, but i don't remember its spear being green in the looks in general, plus its quite high up now. I can't know, i am not there to check. I will only get photos at best. I will get there and check myself in March and hopefully things will be on their way to recovery by then...

Acantophoenix rubra is fine, that was just a tad of a surprise considering to how Veitchia fared! But i know Veitchia can die from rot latter on if they were too stressed out, so i can't know how it will do till it grows some. But the others are definitely on the clear :)

Reinhardtia is burned from what i was told but some of the leaf petioles are green. My small one survived -2,5C last time with not much damage, so i think both Reinhardtia should be ok if they don't get rot. The big one has shown a strange tendency of the spear to mark from fungal infections, pretty mild but worrying in that they were not expected when they happened. My small one doesn't get fungal marks on the spear in general. Hope both are ok and recover fast! :)

Very sorry to hear that Rafael and Ante :(

Rafael,

At least your palms only defoliated and will recover, its the losses we mostly stress about... It was quite the ordeal you passed with the wall collapse though and the palms hanging over and falling, hard to watch, but it ended up very well with the new property! :)

Ante,

Wow, that is quite some serious damage you got there :( You must have gotten some serious cold this winter. Hope most recover for you.

Thanks for the encouragement Buddy, i also think so :)

This was a strange winter indeed. Warm in general but quite cold some night unexpectedly. And the stranger is that it didn't get too cold in Melissia. It was an ok winter for Melissia, although a coldish one for Athens in general. But in Pyrgos it approached the record cold temperature! Quite a bad one. It even burned the leafs on my Castanospermum australe which had never damaged before. Ah, and you know the crazy thing? My Mangifera indica is ok!!!!(!?!?!!!) And the Dioon spinulossum as well, while they had burned with the -2,5C they had seen in the past. Go figure....

I only hope everything recovers fully and preferably fast, and that no such cold happens again till my canopy closes. It still needs quite some years for that unfortunately as i am mainly using primary rainforest trees, which are sturdy, grow tall and huge, but are slow...the established ones are going fast now though, so things should speed up from now on. I still need to add a few more, probably this year.

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Kostas, I hope yous palms will recover. We always feel bad when we lose palms but like you said is

better to be cool about it. Only when you try and experiment you can learn what you grow in your garden. You can try again and this time you could give a little extra protection in the winter to the smaller or more sensitive palms till they get to some bigger size. Like this they could be more cold tolerant and

thrive there in Pyrgos. Don't give up on your tropical dreams. Your garden is already very impressive.

Stelios

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Thank you very much for the encouragement Stelios :)

Protecting palms is difficult as i am usually away from them during the freeze events and you can never be sure when it will freeze or not as temperatures fall below 0C very late at night or the morning hours just before sunrise, so its not easy to know or sure and have someone cover them up either, especially since nights usually start with quite high a temperature, even if a freeze will happen some hours latter. I just check predictions which usually are worse than what actually happens(this time they weren't though...) and thus i am reluctant to ask favors for covering the palms. Of course if i was there, i wouldn't mind running out in the middle of the night protecting a few palms. Still, with so many sensitive palms, which to chose to protect and which not to? Not an easy to choice, with specimen, impressive palms on the one hand that are difficult but worth protecting on the one hand, and small and tender stuff that would appreciate a help in making it till they grow some and can handle more cold. i would probably only do the small and very sensitive ones but then i tend to leave things be and fight it out. But yes, Veitchia joannis, Carpoxylon and Cocos nucifera, those i would gladly protect as i so want to see them grow and thrive :)

Thanks for thinking the garden is impressive. It was starting to look particularly good this fall with many many species on the verge to start looking like something, getting impressive size and looks on them but this winter hammered all the good foliage. Hope to see them recover fully and grow strong and bigger by this year's end :)

I got the photo material and things look somewhat better than described thankfully. Most palms, if not all, have green and good leaf rachis or at the very least, petioles(and spears), so they should live and push new growth. Some have spears ready to open, some are already opening a spear and others have already pushed good and visible new growth on partly opened spears, with a very visible green/brown contrast where the spear was closed and where it was already open when the freeze hit. So, overall survival is looking good so far and the majority should recover, hopefully with not much or preferably no setback. From what i see in the pictures, maybe there are no fatalities other than some very few that could be expected any winter, like a random seedling death(from rot, frost, whatever). I can't see the important parts of 4 plants i especially care about but judging by how other specimen of their species fared and by the other species, they should be live too. By mid-summer, i should have a clear view of what is recovering and what is probably not going to.

Archontophoenix alexandrae seem like they should live to grow taller and flower, damage doesn't seem to worrying and its been a month since the freeze with great growing temperatures. Both have spears than should be opening soon and giving a huge boost on photosynthesis :)

Well, you are mostly gonna see brown stuff looking very much alike, but here are the photos for those caring to see how the different species fared:

Howea forsteriana under Washingtonia robusta(Sonora)

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Livistona mariae, Alcantarea imperialis and another with a strange name i never quite remember but quite tropical

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Bismarckia nobilis(Silver), a true winner, not a spot from the cold!

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Dypsis lastelliana already recovering

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Neoregelia joins looking perfect but Chambeyronia macrocarpa(Hookeri) barely holds a leaf but should live

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Hyphaene compressa barely damaged, it looks about as it looked entering winter. The previous winter was its first and defoliated from the rains as it wasn't used to the conditions, its leafs rotted alive with the rains and humidity. It was slow to recover and entered winter like that but at least did not mind the rains this year, so its adapting and should pull through fine i think. Slow but steady

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Beccariophoenix alfredii, the only one that remained undamaged of the 3 i have in the ground

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Encephalartos concinnus, undamaged

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Acrocomia aculeata also remained practically undamaged and continues its recovery from arriving very dry the past summer

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Cycas micronesica(Rota)

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Sabal dominguensis proved its species ID by damaging some from the cold

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Another Cycas micronesica(Rota) in recovery from repeated damage by dogs...

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I am not sure what marked the Washingtonia robusta's, it can be a deficiency, it can be leaf fungi from the rains, frost damage, or all together. But they did mark in a way they don't usually do. Seems like frost/cold happened badly as you will see in the pictures to follow, some species were hammered while they weren't supposed to, i mean, they even handle the winters in cold Melissia ok but they damaged in Pyrgos!!!

Thanks, glad you like the B. alfredii, it was nice this one didn't mark for a change! :)

Beccariophoenix alfredii with some damage

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Musa 'Kandrian'

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Kentiopsis oliviformis at the canopy edge and right beneath Dicksonia antarctica leafs, defoliated...

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Looking to the back garden...At least Syagrus romanzoffiana stands tall and undamaged among the dead banana leafs and deciduous trees. I am growing evergreen trees on my side to compete with the deciduous ones and give me a closed evergreen canopy that will protect from future frosts but it needs quite a few more years, the trees are still only saplings

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Rhaphidophora decursiva burned well but not anywhere important, just leaf blades. Looks like most of my Monstera deliciosa....Lepidozamia hope burned some as well

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Rhopalostylis baueri(Cheesemannii)

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It is late today, so I will be back tomorrow. This freeze has put you imo in front of new challenges and helped you distinguish at least which spss may need some frost protection in the future and which can fare on their own and it gave me reason for some consideration. To be continued!

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When i post all the photos, you will see the strange ways this freeze affected the various species, from hardy to very tender. Its kind of amazing in all its sadness...And its great to know some species i considered really marginal, may actually be hardy enough to make it long term, hopefully.

Reinhardtia paiewonskiana seems like it will be ok, leaf rachis, petioles and spears, all ok! :) The Ceroxylon amazonicum visible behind has only very slight burn

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A view of the back garden again. You see half burned Dioon spinulossum, Rhopalostylis baueri(Cheesemannii), burned Howea forsteriana(its not all burned as it looks in this picture though, other leafs have green parts) and unscathed Syagrus romanzoffiana, Sabal domingensis, Livistona mariae and Persea americana if you look really closely

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Beccariophoenix alfredii in front, Howea forsteriana on the back, Hedyscepe canterburyana to its right and Rhopalostylis baueri(Cheesemannii) to its left then Castanospermum australe. Philodendron bipinnatifidum is unscathed, the leaf is probably a little twisted from strong winds and rain

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Howea forsteriana already opening a new leaf :)

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Zamia neurophyllidia, Cibotium glaucum and Hedyscepe canterburyana to the right...

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Cycas multipinnata, Prestoea acuminata car. montana, Kentiopsis oliviformis, Chamaedorea elegans, Chamaedorea tepejilote(Blanco) and even Ceratozamia miqueliana(!) are damaged

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Monstera deliciosa, Chamaedorea tepejilote(Blanco), Prestoea acuminata car. montana, Chambeyronia macrocarpa(Hookeri) and Zamia neurophyllidia

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Eoiphytes are damaged as well...

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Dictyosperma album var. rubrum looks like it's probably gonna live :) Notice the leaf to the right belonging to a Parajubaea cocoides: even this is slightly damaged!

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Castanospermum australe seems to have lost a good meter or more, all of its newest growth, to the cold. This is the very first time it damages while it has seen down to -2,5C before

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Thank you very much Jurica! :)

I hope things are ok at your place!

A little Green Oasis! Ceroxylon a amazonicum, Dioon spinulossum, Cyphophoenix alba, Pritchardia schattaueri, Xanthosoma violaceum, Cycas multipinnata and Mangifera indica(!!!)

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Cyphophoenix alba, along with Dioon spinulossum and Philodendron bipinnatifidum

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Dioon spinulossum remained undamaged while this same specimen defoliated at -2,5C the last time. Cyphophoenix alba(at least all of these retained 1 good leaf each, that should feed them through the recovery process) and Pritchardia schattaueri alongside it

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Cryosophila warscewiczii and Bentickia condapanna look like they practically escaped damage. Cryosophila didn't damage the last time with -2,5C either :)

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Archontophoenix alexandrae... Pretty much defoliated but rachis are normally colored and spear seems ok colored too. It's been a month since the damage with good growimg temperatures, and I know Archontophoenix blackens any damaged tissue pretty fast if it doesn't dry out, so I think it should be fine! Spear is big and close to opening, so it should get a boost of energy as soon as it opens it :)

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The other Archontophoenix alexandrae should be fine too, even retained some green leafs and spear is also big and close to opening! :)

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Encephalartos munchii(Blue), Archontophoenix alexandrae trunk(normal) and Howea forsteriana leaf

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Acanthophoenix rubra and Veitchia joannis(seems Howea did its thing on this one...) :)

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Howea forsteriana...Just check out that totally heathy green leaf there out of all the burned leaf mass. Does it get crazier than that? I mean, it's not protected by anything overhead, it's as exposed as any other brown leaf...But this one is Green!?! And no no, it's not just partially green, it's a fullly healthy green leaf. Ok, Howea, show us some more magic :)

Syagrus romanzoffiana can be seen behind

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Another Howea forsteriana next to Syagrus romanzoffiana's trunk. This one retained some inner green leaflets and I hear a green leaf as well tucked in somewhere on the back side. Stangeria eriopus(Forest Form) below didn't care for the cold

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Potted stuff, mostly various banana cultivars and Plumeria, some palms too on the other side like Pseudophoenix vinifera and Caryota gigas. Plumeria seem fine and bananas should recover unless rot sets in. The palms I can see, are fine too mostly. The Avocado seedling didn't care...

Washingtonia robusta(Sonora) seen behind

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These were the photos, I was able to check most species(more than mentioned) from a glimpse of leafs and petioles. So far a all I can see the leaf rachis of, they are green even in the more tender species, so I am hopeful all will recover if they are not rotted out by heavy rains or damaged by animals when trying to recover. Thankfully almost all have green spears or are pushing green, which should keep them from having bud rot problems from the rains. And thankfully, the forecast is for warm growing weather and not much rain :)

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