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Pics of Huge Sabals...


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Last time I was at South Coast Palms I was floored by how wide the spread was on a couple of Gary Wood's Sabals. I thought it might be interesting to see a bunch of them as a thread here. Photos with people for scale are even better. Any species works - bermudana, riverside, yapa - all the monsters.

I'm at work, and will check through my photos and post them when I get home.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

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Not that I have any pictures, or that this is even really that relevant to the request, but as someone from the west coast of Florida, I am always struck by the height of the sabals growing wild closer to the east coast (like the St. John's River basin area). I don't remember exactly which road it is (I think there are several), but driving across the state, through the flat marshes and then suddenly seeing these enormously tall stands of cabbage palms--it just always makes my eyes pop out.

Eric

St. Petersburg, FL

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I bought a few sabals from Gary about 10 yrs ago.... below is a picture of a sabal that was labeled Riverside. The fronds on this palm are about the size of a S. Mexicana. It's been extremely fast growing for a sabal but it has a unique characteristic of the fronds and petioles yellowing as they get older but only on one side of the palm. You can see this in the first picture.

Also have a sabal that was purchased as 'unknown/possible burmudana' and it has been slower growing but has huge fronds. I don't believe it's a burmudana, maybe it's Blackburnia. I'll have to get a picture of it tomorrw and post there after... Jv

Sabal Riverside pics:

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Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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One of my favorite genuses......

look forward to lotsa photos.

JV, on your Sabal I like the orange petioles. do you have a photo of the trunk region? looks like a nice palm.

I only have seedlings at this time of sabals

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

North Florida Palm Society - http://palmsociety.blogspot.com/

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Luke,

This seems to be the only pic of the trunk I have at this time... as you can see it still has all of it's boots on. This much trunk in 10 yrs growth from a 2 leave seedling. Jv

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Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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Terry,

For leaf size, I think Sabal bermudana is pretty good. Also, Sabal "riverside". You can view the riverside at the bathrooms at the tennis courts in Morley Field in S.D. But, for majestic leaf size, Coryphas win hands down. One leaf can cover a VW bug. I remember the first time I saw one in person at Lyon Arboretum in Honolulu during a rainstorm. I thought if only we could cut one and use it for shelter. I would cover 20 people from the rain.

Phil

Sabal burmudana

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Corypha

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Jungle Music Palms and Cycads, established 1977 and located in Encinitas, CA, 20 miles north of San Diego on the Coast.  Phone:  619 2914605 Link to Phil's Email phil.bergman@junglemusic.net Website: www.junglemusic.net Link to Jungle Music Palms and Cycads

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Great pics JV and pg6922 - that's what I'm talking about!

I couldn't agree more regarding Corypha, Phil. Let's build a greenhouse big enough to house one here in San Diego. Make it tall enough for a few Pigafettas while we're at it.

Here's Gary Wood's Sabal maritima, followed by a couple of big Sabals at the Quail Garden.

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

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Wow that Maritima looks a lot like the 'riverside' I have here.... wonder if that is truly what I have??? Is it also rather fast growing? Thanks, Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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Heres a few.

tall Sabal palmetto, just after they were over trimmed, in an Orlando yard

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S. casiarum x palmetto in a local yard

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S. domingensis at Bok Tower Gardens, a few months after the 3 2004 hurricanes

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S. causiarum at the Edison Estate in Ft. Myers

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Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

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Here is some here at Leu Gardens

S. causiarum

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S. yapa

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S. domingensis

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Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

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S. guatemalensis

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S. bermudana

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S. blackburniana

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S. uresana

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Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

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I have a few sabals, they grow well here with <6 hrs of direct sun perday. Too much arizona sun at the hottest part of the dry season will cook em, but they can take 5-6 hours of hot sun(@115F) in the dry part of the year. Here is a palm that I bought as sabal blackburniana this morning at sunrise with an octoberfest for scale. In the desert, sunrise tends to cast a blue light quickly followed by intense yellow as the sun clears the horizon. I saw the parent palm at the local nursery, its pretty big.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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and here is the fruit, kind of large and a bit pear shaped at the connecting stem.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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Here is my sabal bermudana, sorry its too densely planted for the beer bottle, but its about 11' overall height. Its not as wide and the fronds arent as large as my aka blackburniana.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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and the bermudana fruits are notably smaller.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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Here are the shots of my bermudana....

Jv

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Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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Here is one of my two Sabal mexicana. For scale the adjacent low section of the fence is about four feet - 120 cm - in height. I have two about the same size. The small palm just in front of the S. mexicana is a Sabal uresana that I started from seed 5 years ago. The palms crowding the S. mexicana on the left are Acoelorraphe wrightii.

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JTW

http://www.palmsocietysouthtexas.org

PADRE ISLAND

Barrier Island on the South Texas Coast

N 27 36'38"

W O97 14'21"

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Here is a shot of two Sabal mexicana in Weslaco, Texas. The taller one, closest to the building, is said to be the tallest S. mexicana in Texas. This tree had grown somewhere else and the property owners wanted to get rid of it. Tad and some of his associates moved the tree to this location which is an Audubon Soc establishment.

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JTW

http://www.palmsocietysouthtexas.org

PADRE ISLAND

Barrier Island on the South Texas Coast

N 27 36'38"

W O97 14'21"

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Dear Terry :)

Lovely topic And by favouriate amoung sabals are SRS & Texas Sabal (Mexicana)..

Dear Phil :)

In your post 7,the 2nd still stating a 'Corypha' appears to me as Copernica Hospita...? :hmm:

Here is a still of a Talipot Palms..

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Lots of love,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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Sabal maritima seems like an overlooked species compared to other Sabals. What a beast.

Jv - On Dave's Garden, the photo of a Sabal riverside is also actually S. maritima (first link). The second link looks like another shot of Gary Woods

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/124756/

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/146646/

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

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Thanks for the links and info. Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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lookin good,tomsky! sabal must do really well in norcal,good choice!

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

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great photos everyone! this thread is delivering.

may I also suggest the Fairchild Sabal photo page: http://palmguide.org/images.php?family=are...amp;genus=sabal

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

North Florida Palm Society - http://palmsociety.blogspot.com/

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Great photos. Is S. blackburniana really S. domingensis?

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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this sabal is diffrent than the native S. palmetto seen in the back left of the photo. this at St Marks, FL on a balmy January overcast day.

I have posted before and no conclusion was reached on what it was. possibly domengensis or casusiarium or a hybrid with palmetto.

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Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

North Florida Palm Society - http://palmsociety.blogspot.com/

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BigFrond,

Interesting looking sabal pictured there... seems to have a very open crown. Like the trunk as well. Does any one have access to fresh seeds from a casusiarium? Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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The 2 palms in jon's post are the I think state of Texas record holder as tallest sabals, they were moved with 90 inch tree spades by Gulf Coast Contracting!!

Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.

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this guy lives at my office.

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The weight of lies will bring you down / And follow you to every town / Cause nothin happens here

That doesn't happen there / So when you run make sure you run / To something and not away from

Cause lies don't need an aero plane / To chase you anywhere

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this sabal is diffrent than the native S. palmetto seen in the back left of the photo. this at St Marks, FL on a balmy January overcast day.

I have posted before and no conclusion was reached on what it was. possibly domengensis or casusiarium or a hybrid with palmetto.

It used to be that the fruits were used to distinguish sabals. Bermudana and palmetto have fruits that are 8-12mm, round and black. Domingenisis and causarium have larger fruits(as do mexicana, uresana). My "blackburniana has fruits that are purplish brown and measure 14-17mm when ripe. I assume some of the smaller ones are dehydrated, happens here. Because of these observations on the fruit, and the size of the fronds(5 1/2 feet of petiole, 5' fronds as a late stage juvenile) of my blackburniana, I doubt its a sabal palmetto. The parent palm has larger fronds/petioles. I am pretty sure its not a mexicana, or uresana, but the other two are possibilities. It is also possible that sabals just grow huge out here. The one pictured above, ~12+ in overall height, was planted as a 24" box with no trunk in spring '05.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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Good show on the photos Eric Frito et al..

Heres one of my fav orite Sabals S. domingensis-- collected from seed in D.R. in 88'--- I is testing photos sizes so my appologies if this is a missfire.

Best wishes,

Ed

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