Syagrus hybrid schizophylla

[Jim in Los Altos]

This is a recently planted 20 gallon Syagrus schizophylla X romanzoffiana. I've seen some slightly older ones (a couple of years older) and they were soooo beautiful. This one set me back $200.00 so I hope I'm not disappointed. I don't think I will be based on her looks already. Anyone else have experience with this one?

[Jeff Wilson]

Jim, these are really nice hybrids.

If Mike Evans in St. Pete has a photo, he has one that is mature with several feet of trunk and seeding. It is an awesome palm that seems to surpass both of its parent species.

Jeff

[BS Man about Palms]

Hey Jim, here is mine. It was one of the few left that was a 5 gal so I paid much less, we'll see. As I metioned some time back, Jack Ingwerson had done the last crosses and they had 24" box sizes for sale....MUCH more costly!

Joe Palma bought one, maybe he could post a pic. His looks pretty nice

[BS Man about Palms]

OK Jim-

 I noticed you have the same pic for BOTH your Syagrus threads!   One must be wrong!  ???

---oops, dial up- I see you corrected. This thread has the right pic.

[cfkingfish]

This hybrid is actually is named Syagrus x montgomeryana. I believe it was first described from Geri and Dave Prall's specimen in Cape Coral, Florida.

[BS Man about Palms]

Christian-

I had read that too.

I think the last "west coast batch" was done by Jack over 5 years ago.   From what I understand, its not an easy cross, I dunno.

[amazon exotics]

Hello, I have seen Geri & Dave's and Mike's cocoqueens. Both are awsome. G & D's tree is huge. These trees are beautiful and seem to be very hardy. You can expect a great tree fairly quickly, these trees grow fast. Does anybody know about  germination of the seeds?

[Mike Evans]

Sorry for the late post, I missed this one until Jeff notified me.  Here are some older pics that were posted before.  And BTW, it is spectacular now.  This has been shade grown under a centry old Live Oak.  I harvested ~ 30 seed from this Syagrus x montgomeryana.  They have been planted in container ~1 month now, w/o any results.  Christian, you may be correct about being sterile.

[NatureGirl]

Does anyone know about cold hardiness on this one? At least as hardy as a queen I would guess?

[redant]

Nice palm. Which way is the cross typically done or does it matter? I have both plants so this could be interesting.

[Ken Johnson]

To cross palms just rub 'em togeather when the are sexually active, either way or both!

I have had some and have seen many. They are variable in shape and size (like VFoxes) but I bet they are all "cool hardy".

[Mike Evans]

(redant @ Sep. 28 2006,15:41)

QUOTE

Nice palm. Which way is the cross typically done or does it matter? I have both plants so this could be interesting.

The cross that I have were from the schizophylla side.  I planted ~ 25 schizophylla seed & only 1 came out crossed.  It was all natural.  I actually did not know what it was until it got larger.  I got the mother palm from your neck of the woods Ken,  Redland.

[BS Man about Palms]

JoePalma should post a picture of his... Joe? are you listening?

Bill

[Jeff Wilson]

(NatureGirl @ Sep. 28 2006,15:10)

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Does anyone know about cold hardiness on this one? At least as hardy as a queen I would guess?

The hybrid S. x montgomeryana can't nearly be as hardy as a regular Syagrus romanzoffiana aka Queen. Syagrus schizophylla, while not a complete wimp, doesn't appreciate a great deal of frost and cold. S. schizophylla is probably a warm 9b to low 10a palm, so I'd surmise the hybrid is probably hardy in 9b only which extends north of Orlando in Florida. Mike has his in shade, and that palm is beautiful. It's under an old oak so it most likely hasn't had to endure any frost. I'd guess that S. x montgomeryana would be okay in temps to 26F. Lower than this it might see some cosmetic damage. Now with frost.....just don't know......

Jeff

[Joe palma]

Ok, Ok, BS. Sorry, I was snoozing....

Nowhere near as nice as Mikes (really nice palm Mike!) but here it is before I planted it.

It's grown a bit since being in the ground and I need to get some snap shots of it now.

[BigWaveDave]

Full sun in Lake Forest, Ca.

[BigWaveDave]

A beautiful palm.

[Walt]

I have an old nursery owner friend in Hardee County, Florida, that has some hybrid syagrus palms. He showed me these palms in January 2004. I'm sure they are larger now.

The below photo shows how they looked in January of 2004, with the owner standing to the right:

by waltcat100

[BS Man about Palms]

Thanks Joe AND Dave!

BS

[Joe palma]

Looks like Dave's is growing a bit faster than mine is!

I better go fertilize it! ::

[Eric in Orlando]

It is a beautiful hybrid. I saw some nice specimens at a tree farm several years ago in W. Palm Beach.

Here is a specimen we are growing at Leu Gardens;

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cydonia....42

[SunnyFl]

Oh lordy, Eric, that's a bodacious palm!  What a beauty!  How old is it - and how long has it been there?

[Eric in Orlando]

That was planted in Jan. 2001, a big 1 gal. plant. That photo was from Jan. 2006 so it is a couple feet bigger now. It is just starting to get clear trunk and even produced a couple of inflorescences this summer.

[Eric in Orlando]

I was out with the camera and got a current photo of the Syagrus x montgomeryana today;

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cydonia....57

[Eric in Orlando]

try again, scroll down it is the last photo on the page;

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cydonia4510/al...318166747#page1

[Eric in Orlando]

Last time, this link should work. That gallery wasn't working so I moved it to an old album;

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph.....src=ph

[SunnyFl]

Glad to see this thread got bumped back up as I almost missed it.  

Great pic Eric!  Such a beautiful palm - this is the S. schizophylla / queen cross?    

That was planted in Jan. 2001, a big 1 gal. plant. That photo was from Jan. 2006 so it is a couple feet bigger now

And somehow we missed it - where is it located in the Garden?  Our last trip there ended up being a bit rushed, so I didn't get to see all I wanted to.

Mike in FL, yours is a beauty too - how big do you think it's going to get? as tall as a queen?

Is anyone selling these palms btw?

[Eric in Orlando]

Yes it is a S. schizophylla crossed with S. romanzoffiana. It is in the Palm Garden near the big clump of Bambusa oldhamii and the big Sausage Tree.

[Don Little]

wow very nice pics.  Did someone say where you can find this palm on the west coast?

[merrill]

S. coronata X S. romanzoffianum [s. X camposportoana] is a fertile hybrid. which improves the likelihood that Syagrus x montgomeryana might also be a fertile hybrid.

Best Wishes,

merrill

[Rafael]

Has anyone already found seeds of this palm?

RPS do not mention.

[Alberto]

How looks the reverse cross (queen x S.schyzophilla)?

I brought pollen from northeast Brazil last year and I crossed it with a tableland queen here in my garden.

(the one that had a frond atacked by black weewils) Fortunately it´s a young palm( flowering the second year) so I could reach it with a lather. Butias are far easier to pollenate!! To emasculate,to wash,to spray,to bag,remove the bag,pollenate,bag again.........

Now there is a big bunch of seeds.

I hope it will inherit the hardiness of mothers side.... (cytoplasmatic inheritance from mother tree + DNA from hardier tableland queen) I´m curious about the offspring!

[amazon exotics]

I make these hybrids and I use the Schiz as the mother. I think both ways will work, but its harder to work on a ladder with a tall Queen.

[PalmGuyWC]

This old thread was posted just before I joined PalmTalk, so guess I missed it. I like this smaller growing cocoid hybrid, but I'd like to know how much cold they will take without foliage damage. I'm not going to pay $200 for a palm that might not make it in my climate.

Rick Leitner in Ft. Lauderdale has one that has bearing viable seeds for several years. Apparently it is self viable, but it remains to be seen what the F2 hybrids will grow into. Patrick Schafer has germinated some of the seeds from Rick's tree.

Has anyone tried crossing Butia with S. schizophylla? If possible that cross should be considerably more cold hardy than with Syagrus.

Dick

[Alberto]

How many future Queen X S.schyzophilla you can tell?

[Alberto]

Closer

[GreenIslandPalms]

I missed this thread as well, but glad to see it got bumped. Is there any updated photos from the guys who posted pics from 4 years ago? Here is a couple that I am growing. I have heard that they have taken temps as low as 23F without damage and the 5 gal's I am growing took 26F this year fully exposed with no damage, so they may have some hardiness for colder areas.

[Kailua_Krish]

S. coronata X S. romanzoffianum [s. X camposportoana] is a fertile hybrid. which improves the likelihood that Syagrus x montgomeryana might also be a fertile hybrid.

Best Wishes,

merrill

They are selling F2s on EBay and I bought one so I sure hope it is! It seems to look a lot like a hybrid (still strap leaves). It saw probably around 26 with heavy frost before I chickened out, dug it up, and moved it in for the winter. It did that thing where the leaves get darker, wet, and spotty after this so I thought the leaves were toast (why I panicked and dug it) but the leaves recovered. I have an S.schyzophilla growing indoors so I should be able to make an F1 of this and cross it with Butia in the future.

-Krishna

[Gileno Machado]

How many future Queen X S.schyzophilla you can tell?

Geeeezz...I want to try a few of these Jerivaricuryrobas too...

[Palmzilla]

Here is my hybrid!!!!!!!!!!!! :drool: