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Palm Guy

Hi all, as promised, here are some of my seeds growing. To this day, 7 out of 10 have germinated in 6 days since sowing.

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cheers,

Mike

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RuB

Hello Mike,

I've get one little root this morning !

Only 7 days to get this wonderful thing! Speedy this Tahina!!

3 cm long!

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Wai`anae Steve

I ordered my 10 on Feb 21st.  That's 2 weeks.  Hope to see them soon.   :D

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Wai`anae Steve

(WaianaeSteve @ Mar. 07 2008,02:12)

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I ordered my 10 on Feb 21st.  That's 2 weeks.  Hope to see them soon.   :D

"Well shut my mouth".  They arrived today.  Soaking in water right now.

Been thinking of planting them in sealed containers with cinder on the bottom as I described w/other seeds.  That way no chance of breaking anything when taking out of the baggies.

What do you think?  Do they need a deep container?

I was thinking about using these:

Tall containers.

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Wai`anae Steve

OK they arrived on March 8th.  I began soaking in water and changed it about twice a day.  Today I began the sprouting process

First clean container.

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Then boil the Spag Moss that my Floribunda palms were packed in.

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Wai`anae Steve

Placed 10 seeds upon the moss which I let cool and then squeezed out most of the moisture.

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Then sealed it

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and placed it on a shelf in the green house.  Now I wait with heart in hand for nature to get to work.   :D

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Kris

Dear Steve  :)

thanks for the step by step illustrations of your seeds germination process !

lots of love,

Kris  :)

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PatientPalms

GROW TAHINA GROW!

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Eric in Orlando

I got 20 of them and checked and there are several here that are starting to germinate.

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PalmGuyWC

I'm Thainaed out!  They seem to be spread around the Earth now, so there is a great chance of survival.  Show me your Thaina in 3 to 5 years. ===> Sour grapes because I couldn't grow one in the first place.

Dick

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Dave-Vero

Tahinas for Orlando!  Cool.

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Jeff in St Pete

I received my 10 seeds today, 3 weeks from the time I ordered them, not bad!  

Steve, I really like your set-up and I am going to try something similar here.  I'm going to San Jose this weekend and I hope to find some sphagnum moss or coco fiber while I am there.  I can't find any seed germinating medium in Quepos.

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Jeff Searle

(PalmGuyWC @ Mar. 11 2008,14:09)

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I'm Thainaed out!  They seem to be spread around the Earth now, so there is a great chance of survival.  Show me your Thaina in 3 to 5 years. ===> Sour grapes because I couldn't grow one in the first place.

Dick

Dick,

     OK, next time your down my way, I should have one or two planted out. All indications say they should do fine for us here. NOW....the question is, I wonder when and where the first one will bloom and set seed in cultivation. If, in 20 years or so, I still have a chance to see this or hear about it. You know, the race has begun.   :D   Just a thought.....

Jeff

Jeff

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Palm Guy
Dick,

    OK, next time your down my way, I should have one or two planted out. All indications say they should do fine for us here. NOW....the question is, I wonder when and where the first one will bloom and set seed in cultivation. If, in 20 years or so, I still have a chance to see this or hear about it. You know, the race has begun.   :D   Just a thought.....

Jeff

Jeff

As Jeff said, LET THE RACE BEGIN!!! Kinda sad that we're already planning on this palms death...

I got 100% germination on my massive stock of 10 seeds... Thats under two weeks!!  Jeff and others...how are you making out?

Cheers,

Mike

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Palm Guy

I have all bets on myself for being the first to have a Tahina die...Although, I doubt it would be due to flowering if you know what I mean...;)

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PatientPalms

Too late Mike!  I have already had some seed turn to mush as they emerged...  :angry:

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Palm Guy

Dammit!!! you beat me to it! lol

Oh well, its not a race that I'd want to win anyways. Wil, I'm hoping that you have lots left. If my memory serves me you had 100 seeds.

Cheers

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Gbarce

Bill- do you have pictures of that mush??  what do you think went wrong??

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PatientPalms

Sorry Gene, No pictures...  

I said a few unrepeatable words at the green fuzzies that had eaten their way down thru the emerging radicle that were continuing to dine on the seeds guts...  Than I threw it in the bushes....

I think just a bit too much moisture...  We have had an unusual amount of daily rain for the season over the past couple weeks.

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Big50

Here are the mine germinated 4 of 5,in a few days the way to its container.

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Sorry for my bad english.

Regards.

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Walter John

(Big50 @ Mar. 15 2008,10:35)

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Here are the mine germinated 4 of 5,in a few days the way to its container.

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Sorry for my bad english.

Regards.

That's a classic photo.

Germination of a newly discovered palm, fantastic, don't worry about your words, the pic speaks for itself.

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Kris

Dear Big50  :)

a big hand to you_that's great results & great still too ! 39acdaad.gif

Love,

Kris  :)

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Tyrone

Go Big50!!!!

Tahina King.  :)

regards

Tyrone

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Tyrone

(PiousPalms @ Mar. 14 2008,07:59)

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Too late Mike!  I have already had some seed turn to mush as they emerged...  :angry:

What temp are you running? Sounds like too hot or too wet, or maybe a dud seed. Off of one infructense you may get a lot of good seed and a few duds. In nature most wouldn't germinate anyway. Maybe you lucked out a bit.

Best regards

Tyrone

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Palm Guy

Hi all,

Here is my two-week update. Looks Like Big 50 might be one of the first of us to get a leaf. Well done, how did you get them to grow so straight? My ones look like they had a few too many drinks. :0

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gsn

(Palm Guy @ Mar. 15 2008,08:40)

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Can't do better than that, 100% germination.

These seem to germinate pretty fast and fairly evenly. Hopefully they will continue to grow,and no one will have a major damping off problem. Best of luck to everyone who purchased these once in a lifetime (probably) seeds.

One thing to keep in mind is Bruno's pic of the root/radical at a very early stage in development. These need to be planted in  DEEP pots.

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Kris

Dear Michael Ferreira  :)

that fentastic & delightful visual.and i have a request to our memebers can you kindly point out what methos you have used,since if its baggie(ZipLoc Bags)i would love to quote your

narration with those stills in one of our seeds germination threads...

can you all be a bit more specific as to how you did it ?

thanks & love,

Kris  :)

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PatientPalms

(Tyrone @ Mar. 15 2008,07:11)

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(PiousPalms @ Mar. 14 2008,07:59)

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Too late Mike!  I have already had some seed turn to mush as they emerged...  :angry:

What temp are you running? Sounds like too hot or too wet, or maybe a dud seed. Off of one infructense you may get a lot of good seed and a few duds. In nature most wouldn't germinate anyway. Maybe you lucked out a bit.

Best regards

Tyrone

Tyrone, keeping these at anywhere from 75F to 90F...  I think you are correct, maybe the one that got mushy was just a dud... :cool:  I'm definately feeling blessed at the germ ratios I believe I am getting...  I'm guessing in a few months I will have a plant count...  I am doing my best not to disturb the seeds.  I really want to leave them alone and not check them, giving them time to grow undisturbed...  Patience is not my virtue.  Judging by everyones experinces, I am expecting real goood germ rates!  :D

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Palm Guy

Hi Kris,

Unfortunately, I did not take many photos of the germination process from start to finish. It would've been nice to have some more pictures for your educational posts on germination from which I myself have picked up a few tips(I still haven't been very successful with the Psuedophoenix species). However, I'll try my best to share my experiences with growing this new species.

1. Received 10 fresh Tahina spectabilis seeds in the mail on Thursday Feb. 28, 2008. The seeds had become available on RPS' website: www.rarepalmseeds.com on Feb 16,2008.

2. Soaked 5 seeds for 1 day and left 5 seeds unsoaked in the packet. No scarification was done as most of them arrived with a broken seed coat that was very thin, flaky and removable to begin with.

3. On Saturday Mar 1. I sowed the seeds using the following two methods.

Method 1:

  a. Placed 5 (2 soaked) seeds in a plastic bag containing the mix below:

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NOTE: It's IMPORTANT to pre-soak the mix in another container and squeeze any excessive water out. You should be able to squeeze 1 or two drops of water out of a fistful of soil, any more than that and you will have rot/fungal issues. Its also important not to keep the baggie in stong daylight doing so may lead to aglal problems.

   b. Placed the 'baggie' seeds in an oven with the pilot on. Temperatures in the oven ranged from 77F/25C to 95F/35C.

Method 2:

   a. Placed 5 (3 soaked) seeds in plastic cups containing the same mix mentioned above at a depth of about half the seed's diameter.

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   b. The cups were then placed in a makeshift germination plastic container with the lid closed as viewed in the below picture. I used heat mats to raise the temperatures. Temperatures ranged from 70F/21C from 12am to 6pm (when I was at work or sleeping) and 80F/26C to 85F/29C from 6-12pm. PLEASE NOTE: the below picture does not contain Tahina spectabilis seedlings. This picture was solely taken for reference purposes.

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NOTE: It is important to watch water levels when using this method as the seeds can dry out much quicker than using the Baggie method.

Results. Both Methods turned out to be equally successful. I did notice that the baggie method in the higher heat led to more rapid germination and root growth. Soaking the seeds seems to be irrelevant in the case of this species. I think heat and humidity are the two important factors and not to mention FRESH seed. I don't think anyone wanted to test seed viability duration with such a rare species (especially at 70EUR for 10, although I do understand the laws of supply and demand) but if someone has tests seed viability please post.  

All 10 seeds germinated in less than two weeks time. The first germination occurred in 2-3 days and the last to germinate happened after about a week and a half.

I hope this is comprehensive enough. My hands hurt from typing. I will talk to you guys soon!

Cheers,

Mike F

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Alberto

What is the ideal soil pH for Tahina. Have I to mix some dolomite to the soil?

  Thanks!!!

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Palm Guy

Hi Alberto,

The mix I used has a PH of 6.5 which is usually good enough for most palms. Most of the seed starter mixes have a lower PH/acidity due to the higher peat content. I used a rather unconventional mix for starting seeds because it's airy and allows the roots to grow with less restriction.

I remember reading somewhere Tahina grows near limestone cliffs, so  I would assume a mid-range to slighter higher PH7.5 to be ideal. But thats just a guess. I'm definitely not the Tahina expert. Perhaps either Dr. Dransfield or Bruno would be kind enough to fill us in on that one!

Cheers,

Mike F

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Kris

Dear Mike  :)

thanks a lot for your time..if every one shares their experience likewise on any of the palm seeds varities they try.and if this narration is well documented by IPS through journals & in their web pages it will be very useful for the future memebers to start walking right way with seeds germination..unlike me who had a real tough time knowing the right procedures...

lots of love to you_my friend  :)

Kris.

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Alberto

Thanks Mike!

I have 6 germinations out of 10 seeds,after 11 days at 30`C in cocos fiber.

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Pivi

Here's mine seed

After 9 days

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Wai`anae Steve

Ordering late my seeds are not as fresh as those early guys.

Day time temps in the green house are around 90 and nights down to low 70s.

10 days after placing in the closed container I have 3 sprouts.

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Big50

Hello, mine are already on their pots.

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4 tahinas on the right, the others are 4 coryphas umbraculifera.

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Regards.

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rozpalm

Most of my seeds have germinated as well after 10 days.  Right now they are in pots with about 4" below them of soil. Should I move them to a deeper pot given the size of the radical?

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Kris

Dear Big  :)

lovely informative visuals and they are all growing fine under your care.and those huge black plastic pipes,what are those or from where it is derived ? is it the drainwater pipes that carry sweage to the main connection,meaning is the underground laying sweage connection cut-away ?

if so,how have you closed its other end..is their perforation..if you have visuals of that it will be very useful to us... :)

thanks & love,

Kris  :)

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Big50

(krisachar @ Mar. 24 2008,01:15)

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Dear Big  :)

lovely informative visuals and they are all growing fine under your care.and those huge black plastic pipes,what are those or from where it is derived ? is it the drainwater pipes that carry sweage to the main connection,meaning is the underground laying sweage connection cut-away ?

if so,how have you closed its other end..is their perforation..if you have visuals of that it will be very useful to us... :)

thanks & love,

Kris  :)

Hi Kris, these pipes the raid Here underground for water,fit neatly inside the pots that I have at home and cut the pipe and put inside the pots,in this way is closed the Fund.

Sorry for my bad english,it is very difficult to my explain well.

Regards. :;):

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Gbarce

I wonder who will be the first to produce a leaf -- the race is on!!

Did I read it correctly that this palm skips the "strap leaf stage"  and produces a fan leaf immediately??

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