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This is the main drag down the palm jungle. Good thing I love being outside and working in the yard, it's a huge amount of work. There is so much more to see then just the main path, so many beautiful palms from every corner of the planet. iphone11 and people know how to improve the quality on video, choppy and blurred from time to time. Hope you all enjoy

New member, but have been getting some good info from everyone on this site for a while. Started getting some palms a few years back and got inspired to start a bigger garden. In DeBary FL, about 30 miles north of Orlando. Progress so far: 2 B. Alfredii, one on the left planted from a 15g in June 2022, other went in this week from a 25g. Archontophoenix Cunninghamiana planted from a 7g in November 2021. Side yard has a couple of flamethrowers, Chambeyronia Oliviformis, another king palm, Lanonia Dasyantha, Caryota Obtusa, Chamaedorea Radicalis x Cataractarum (most likely) and Chamaedorea Microspadix. Plenty of other tropicals mixed in, big fan of Plumerias. Always run the risk of a hard freeze, but taking advantage of some high oak canopy and looking forward to a dense jungle look in a few years time.

I planted the first palm at my new house today. It was a 45 gallon monster with about 3 foot of trunk that had wayyy outgrown its container. Phoenix sylvestris is the species. probably weighed 500lbs. That pygmy palm was there from the builder and is getting ripped out to install a patio, so I don't count it. Edit: Photo working now!

Here are photos I took from SFBG! This is a unique climate and one of the few public gardens where you can see Plectocomia himalayana, Lepidorrhachis, and Juania! Full album here Plectocomia himalayana Ceroxylon quindiuense and Jubaea chilensis Rhopalostylis sapida Juania australis Lepidorrhachis mooreana

I was passing through El Cajon, CA and stumbled across this beautiful palm garden. They are probably the healthiest Parajubaea I have seen in California! Photos of palm garden here

yeah I dont have an unobstructed view far enough from the palm to get it all in a frame without distortion. The crown is a lot wider than I expected, between 30-35 feet is a guess. Id estimate its about 30' tall.

Sorry Dave, been traveling a lot and not been here in a bit, but here you go. Probably 5' of trunk and sadly the crown getting tall enough my house no longer blocks the southern exposure.. thus some small burning. Pic taken today.

Marojejya darianii. Just a killer palm. Tim

I now have 6 Jubaea chilensis seedlings and one Jubutia. I will likely keep these potted to at least 5 gallons before planting them in the ground along the forests edge. I am located just north of San Antonio, but at over 1,000 feet above sea level, my nights are cooler and my daytime humidity is much lower. I am hoping that these can survive my zone 8A or colder winters, and the Dallas area survivors have brought me some solace. The Jubutia is the 1 gallon pot on the left.

@Mr. Clark Welcome to PalmTalk! Because of where you are located, you can grow practically anything. That said, if you want to get the nursery "into the black" as quickly as possible, you'll want to get yourself a guaranteed revenue stream with stuff that can grow fast and wholesale just as fast to commercial and government customers. Residents also buy most of the palms below and many of them are outside of the typical "Phoenix/Syagrus/Washingtonia/Sabal/Butia" that wholesalers have relied on in the past. Roystonea regia (Royal Palm) and Cocos nucifera (Coconut Palm) are an easy sell to consumers. Down your way they are common, but Royals are increasingly being used here to replace the more disease-prone Syagrus romanzoffiana (Queen Palm) and Phoenix species. The aforementioned Beccariophoenix alfredii is increasing in popularity rapidly from Jacksonville down along I-95 and the entire I-4 corridor. Mules are the even-hardier pinnate palm for cooler areas. Our municipality plants both everywhere. A good family of palms to sell includes Veitchia arecina (Montgomery Palm), Adonidia merrillii (Christmas Palm), Wodyetia bifurcata (Foxtail Palm), and Carpentaria acuminata. Where you are located and in most of South Florida, any of these can grow anywhere. In Central Florida, Christmas Palms and Foxtails sell quickly for residential landscaping and hotels. Veitchia are more of a novelty here, whereas down your way, they line streets and are planted near buildings. Carpentaria is more of a dark horse of the family, but is a good palm for areas that require a Veitchia look with a smaller crown. If you hybridize Veitchia and Wodyetia, you'll get the highly-coveted "Foxy Lady" palm. Another good family of palms to include is Bismarckia nobilis (especially the silver variety) and at least Latania loddigesii (the Blue Latan Palm). Bismarckia is popular throughout almost the whole state and grows pretty fast once the root system is in place, and I've increasingly seen Blue Latans used in milder areas near me, like Winter Haven and Palmetto. Another easy seller is the Archontophoenix genus, especially Archontophoenix cunninghamiana and Archontophoenix alexandrae. Collectively, King Palms are very desirable and the supply is way lower than the demand. Archontophoenix cunninghamiana becomes viable somewhere around coastal JAX or St. Augustine. Archontophoenix alexandrae tends to do better a bit further south, but you'll still have a market for them in roughly 2/3 of the state. The Chambeyronia genus, which has now swallowed the Kentiopsis genus, has a lot of popular, chill-tolerant crownshaft palms you can sell to 2/3 of the state. The big sellers would be Chambeyronia macrocarpa (all varieties), Chambeyronia oliviformis, and Chambeyronia pyriformis. The Chrysalidocarpus (a.k.a. Dypsis that grow in Florida) genus tends to sell decent. Probably the most sold is Chrysalidocarpus lutescens, but Chrysalidocarpus decaryi probably isn't too far behind. Chrysalidocarpus leptocheilos, Chrysalidocarpus pembana, and Chrysalidocarpus lanceolata would sell better if they were more commonly available. These grow a bit more slowly than most of the other palms above. With the arrival of Lethal Bronzing in Florida, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the Livistona genus. In particular, Livistona decora is a prize for municipal planting here. Livistona nitida, Livistona mariae, Livistona australis, and Livistona chinensis are also planted frequently. These also tend to reach mature size at a later time than some of the tropical and subtropical options above. This list is a bit myopic since these are primarily what is bought along the I-4 corridor and areas either further south or with similar microclimates along I-95, but it gives you a way to operate at a profit in a shorter amount of time and still provide a unique inventory to most of the peninsula.

I got more information from the nursery man, who planted this palm in November 2019. I inquired about the use of various fungicide's recommended by connoisseur, Steve Stern. None of these has been used on this specimen. That stated, it would probably help substantially if they were used. During this time frame, the minimum temperature recorded at PBIA was 37°F. Low 40°F (43F) temperatures nearly every year at the airport during this time frame. At all times, the median temperature well exceeded the necessary Koeppen temperature required for tropical rendering. In fact, most months median temperatures were closer to 70°F than the required 64.8°F. This palm is located at latitude, 26.93° north. It is in an area surrounded by water not far from the ocean. However, I would not describe it as "flourishing". It reminds me of the Newport Beach Coconut. The browning tips of the Palm are evident. This is definitely a very ticklish palm that requires close attention for success in southeast Florida.

Saw this nice Ravenea albicans a few days ago

Here are 2 of mine. My largest is too hard to get a good picture of. This one is solitary: this one is clumping: and here’s a photo with both of them: here are a couple that I bought at Chrysalidocarpus Sp. Mayotte that show that “white triangle look”. This first pic shows it’s growing so fast that’s it’s busting off fronds while still green: here’s another: and here’s my favorite of all the tristichous hybrids, Chrysalidocarpus Robustus Hybrid (most like crossed with Lanceolatus):

Hi there, a short update of my N. fruticans. The bucket is permanently filled with water, from time to time up to the (pot's) brim. It is constantly pushing new spears - so it seems to do well. I"ll keep you posted - Lars

I’ve known about these palms in my area for a very long time but just felt like posting a picture of them today while I’m on a walk. Such incredible palms which have definitely seen some very cold temperatures over the years. Only if these were easy to come by! Here are also some pics of a mystery palm (it is unlabeled). Looks like a mule but I’m no expert at identifying these hybrids. Regardless, it is a beauty.

Syagrus oleracea.

Between the green leaves and fairly slim trunks they all look like mules or possibly ‘Jubutyagrus’ IMHO. Most Jubaea x Butia are heavier trunked even if F2 or F3 generation. F1s can also vary but here’s an extra thick specimen growing in FL:

I just trimmed these 3 they are in more sun

Dypsis baronii “black petiole” enjoying the sun exposure.

Have a few Jubaeas left for sale small one starting at $150 ,$225,$275,$325,$375 and $475 for the largest

If you are growing for profit, the common, easy care, fast growing stuff sells by volume. Most people just want the same easy stuff that grows with little effort. But if you are doing it as a fun hobby, the sky’s the limit. If I had a “for fun”, in zone 11 Florida, small nursery….. I’d grow stuff that I was interested in, was less common, and that I think would be good to see more of in my area. For me that would be Copernicia, Coccothrinax, Pseudophoenix, Serenoa, Thrinax, Leucothrinax, Lantania, Chambeyronia, Satakentia, Dictyosperma, Beccariophoenix, Allagopterra, a few Dypsis/Chrysadidocarpus, Coonties and a couple other Cycads, and my favorite less common crotons and bromeliads. These would be things that grow well in the area without ICU-level care, but are still interesting enough and eye catching.

Purchased a couple of Metallica champs for the garden they will be group planted I have some good specimens already in my garden but you can never have enough chamaedorea in the garden especially this beautiful little palm there wa# also two Caryota maxima in the order as well I also have two giant specimens in my garden so I know they grow well

This is the most it has ever grown this early . I know it's because I kept the incandescent lights on it with the blankets into April , and I forced it to grow faster . It is almost respectable and it's only April . I know many have seen this palm , but it is my baby and I have been so impressed with its growth . I say I'm in 7B but I'm actually a few hundred yards into 8A now . But I'm sure I'll have more 7B temps in the future . Sorry I don't have Shaylen modeling . Will This picture below was earlier when I just took off the blankets :

Over a year update!

Pretty color on Cyphophoenix elegans.

This elephant foot Howea forsteriana caught my eye as I removed a couple old leaf bases this morning before work. Double Cyphophoenix nucele photobombing. Does anyone else have a Howea with this fat of a trunk?

Yes. This is my office. It's where I put palms that need more sun than I can provide at my house ten minutes to the south. Good on you for identifying the Parajubaea. I have had professional nurserymen accuse them of being 'Mules' (a cross between Syagrus romanzoffianum and Syagrus schizophylla. There are more interesting things as well - they just aren't as big.

A motley looking palm when a juvenile so far a strong grower the two I have in the greenhouse not sure what winter will have to say about how strong it will be if it survives the cold weather time will tell I guess but a nice looking palm when young that’s for sure

Planting the first baby in its permanent location. First Washy from scratch is now ready to rocket!

After a relatively mild winter but night temperatures consistently below freezing, the palms did well. We only had a couple nights in the teens with next days below freezing but otherwise, very stable temps. The Trachy, Brazoria and Needle, unprotected except for some lights barely used, are pushing a lot of new growth. I fed all with PalmGain about a month ago. The Trachy is still recovering from that winter hit a year ago…a lot of frond damage but with this milder winter, I think it’s almost recovered all the fronds it lost. It has more flower spathes than ever…maybe 12 or so…the Brazoria is a little on the yellow side but it’s a much lighter blue green than the Trachy and Needle so maybe the comparisons make it look a bit off. The protected Medi completely recovered from the winter a year ago but even with lights and complete cover a few segments did suffer but no whole fronds and really not even worth mentioning… The smaller trunks are the most aggressive right now but the big trunk is almost back to normal though fronds seem smaller than the lesser trunks. Another view with the never protection McCurtain… And finally the other Needle in the shade. The sunny Needle needs some cleanup but this one is so naturally protected with its Holly tree canopy and its backup embankment…only needs some low hanging fronds removed… So that’s it…will feed all again in late May and watch them grow. This more normal winter without so many temperature rollercoaster seems to have really given the palms a break.

I was noticing that my C. Lastelliana were putting out what looked like quad leaves compared to my Pembanas which are bifid. Today I noticed that they are actually tiny pinnate leaves. I have not seen palms produce a pinnate first leaf before. Is this normal?

My daughter and her husband have been doing landscape design and installation for a long time. She knows a lot about palms, she's my daughter lol. Most of her clients in very expensive areas are new here from up north. They know nothing about palms and generally go for the cheap common stuff. The rare exotic stuff just is a small market for palm nuts in general. I had talked Jeff S (forgot the last name) had his rain forest collection said he had to do other stuff like hedging and broms to turn a profit, exotic palms take to long and to few buyers, I had sold stuff online, rare stuff and people don't want to pay up for a slow growing palm that u put 5 years into,

Bizzy finally snapped out of zombie phase and is pushing a spear again. This is my survivor that made it through the last 3 polar vortexes (although I had to cut it after the previous 2). This year it went unprotected at a low of 19.8°.

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Photo Group 6: There are markers for various landmarks throughout the garden as the paths twist and turn around planting beds made of stone. At the back of the garden, there is another lake and a 500-year-old Live Oak. The Pet Cemetery is a nice touch for Stephen King fans.

Well they are not seedlings any longer. I often hike in a valley that over 100 years ago had a lot of sugar plantation worker going deep to work on water supplys ?they must have liked avocados for lunch or snacks as there are a few dozen trees growing along the 4 mile trail. Strangely most that produce fruit produce pretty good fruit. Can't think of one w/BAD fruit. But there are some really large trees that have never had fruit that we can see. We hike the area all year and from say August to late October we pack out pounds and pounds of fruit of all kinds of shapes. Some round some pare shaped. Some a little stringy, some a little watery but worth packing on your back for miles. Back in 2015 I picked up one that had began to sprout and planted in along the trail. It's in a dry area and is now about 6' tall w/a spread of 6 feet. No sign of fruit. It can go months during the summer w/little or no water. Back in 2019 I did the same from a different tree much deeper in the valley. Today it's about 10' tall w/a spread of 6 feet. Also no sign of flowering. This one gets A LOT more rain but might go a month or two dry in the summer. Picture of this one below. Both are growing in deep shade and will probably never see direct sun.

I disagree. Mine were defoliated in the 2022 Christmas Freeze (min 19F, trunk protected), by December 2023 they were both back to looking fantastic again. (Granted, they have both been defoliated again but are putting on good growth now. Low was 18F with trunk protection again). Starting with the front yard Queen. First pic was when it was cleaned up on February 18 2023. Next pic is on Jan 2 2024. I had not gotten a pic of it in December, but it still looked pretty good. Pic 1: Pic 2: Next is the back yard Queen. First pic was taken February 18 2023, the day it was cleaned up. It had NOTHING, much less to start with than the front yard Queen. Second pic is December 3 2023, with a crown that looks pretty good. Pic 1: Pic 2: So basically, Queens can recover much faster than you think. A Queen that receives no help in its recovery process will obviously take much longer than Queens like mine, which were helped thru the process and were back to looking pretty good again by the end of the growing season.

Well, here are a few photos - thought I had a better arial that showed the palm crop but cant seem to find it. The main crop is infront of the empty row in the drone shot I did find. Thanks again for all the great ideas - got some homework to do now!

April 17 2024 update I finally planted all three of the cocos I still had in pots back in March as it has been much warmer and less wet. I now have a total of 4 cocos in the ground. My first coco and most special is the front north facing one. It has pushed out many new fronds each ever so slightly bigger than the last. I have to travel for work a lot and whenever I get back there are what looks like burns so I suspect it isn’t being watered like I instructed.. anyways I expect great things from this one this warm season. These 2 I planted inside the greenhouse south facing the most prime spot in my lot. I want actual coconut fruit as soon as possible so if they want extreme heat I can give them that 😁 particularly the reddish one is very vigorous you can see it produces quite a root system in only 4 months. this one I planted in my very prime south facing garden bed with many companions for microclimate. This one was the slowest growing of them all but it is finally starting to look more normal. I also just received 3 more 😁 so 7 in total. They have the slightest bit of a base root but nothing more. I’ll probably plant them in late summer like my first coco but they’ll be in actually good spots.

here we go. New home. They said to water it every day, twice, morning and night. 15 min each We are in Nevada The palm (central part) is more then 10 ft high

League city queens somewhat damaged

Yeah, those sp. mayotte hybrids are ridiculously fast. Here’s one in my Hilo garden that I bought as a 4” plant about 6 years ago. It’s probably 25’ tall now. This one has the most upright form of the several of these that I have. Sorry the photos are not the best.

Under watered and WAY over-pruned but it can certainly be revived.

One of my two Syagrus campylospatha starting to flower 😁

On this day April 17 in 1794, the Father of Palms, Carl Friedrich Philipp von Martius, was born. Today is International Palm Day, a day to recognize the plight of endangered palms, their fragile ecosystems, and their roles in the environment. Join us in celebrating palms!

I'd agree with the other comments on Sylvesters. They are getting wiped out here in Orlando now, and I'm about to remove an infected one in my front yard. Personally I'd avoid anything Phoenix, as it's not clear what other species are at severe risk. As far as other palms go, you could look at it as two categories: Easy sale "common" palms like Queens, Livistona Chinensis / Nitida / Decipiens / Saribus, Mules, Rhapis Excelsa "Lady Palms," Foxtails, some Dypsis/Chrysalidocarpus Lutescens, Bismarck, Fishtails, Pindos, Kings, Ptychosperma Elegans, etc. Those could be easily sold any time, but you wouldn't make much on them...they are more "commodity" palms that are grown by a LOT of nurseries. But it could make sense if you need a minimum acreage or sales volume to qualify for tax breaks. "Unusual" palms that may command higher individual prices, but are either slower growing or less in demand. Those are the sort of "collector" palms that we like here. In Zone 11 you could grow almost anything, and much faster than in zone 9 or 8. So you could grow Arenga Engleri, which commands biiig prices in Jacksonville. Or unusual tall palms like Arenga Pinnata or Attalea Cohune. Beccariophoenix Alfredii is another good one that should grow pretty quick in SFL. Any of the Copernicia would be good, as well as other interesting palms like Kerriodoxa Elegans, lots of options in the Licuala group, some of the "other" Syagrus like Schizophylla and "Coco Queen" Schizophylla x Romanzoffiana, etc. Many of these are "easy grows" if they don't see freezing temps, and could be shipped to Zone 10-9b areas easily. Overall maybe a mix of common and unusual is a good choice. But avoid Sylvestris.

Here's my White Triangle today, I'd guess about 5-6 years in the ground.

rostrata is flowering