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Here are pics of my Rhapis: excelsa: humilis: multifida:

Thanks @joe_OC that would be appreciated. A correction - I went back and added up the receipts for these and total price was closer to $5,000 (not $6,000 per title). However with the hired third-party help I had to use to get these down 2 flights of stairs and into that terrarium, there was a few hundred on top of that. At that time, Moon Valley had quoted me $2,200 for 2 excelsas which were actually bigger, with white glove delivery and planting in my terrarium included. I had provided them over a dozen photos of pathway to basement and terrarium, and that was included in their price. This is especially frustrating as I grew up with nothing and earned every dollar I have. About 4 weeks after getting these, I was diagnosed with a terminal disease and 10% of my bone marrow remaining. That got down to 5% in 2019. So as you can understand, I am addressing this late for a reason. Thank you everyone for the input, I value all of it and greatly appreciate and respect your knowledge!!

Michael, Hopefully, you will be able to resolve the issue with the seller. If you do end up keeping the excelsa, we can definitely help get them healthier.

Update to this thread... I found them on google maps. Will be making a trip out there this weekend with the wife and kids. Looks like it's about a 42 mile trek through the desert from my house.

This really puzzles me. It is upsetting to think a "well known grower" would knowingly sell a buyer the wrong palm at such an inflated price. Heck, even if they were R. humilis, it's an inflated price, in my opinion -- though prices for palms vary around the world, and I'm used to Hawaii prices, which are relatively low. (I have a small R. humilis for which I paid less than $20, typical of my spending habits.) But you said the seller was obtaining the palms from another source -- did you actually see the palms before your purchase? And how did you determine what you were buying? I mean, the difference in appearance is striking enough for even a neophyte palm enthusiast to recognize. Did you research the palm before encountering the seller, or did the seller steer you toward this palm? "Buyer beware" is an operative concept, but not an excuse for a seller to mislead a customer. I wouldn't spend that much on a palm unless it was viable seed of a double coconut, Lodoicea maldivica! Make that 2 seeds!

And the second tree 4ft away is blooming. Hopefully I get some seed set...

And one of mine, Bill. 'Psychotic Reaction'; 'Calcite' x 'Bravo'. Extra large inflorescence.

An unregistered hybrid; Billbergia 'Domingos Martins' x 'Beadleman'. This guy thrives in full coastal sun.The strappy leaves are leftovers from it's days in lower light.

I have good news for you all, I shook the coconut and I actually heard and felt a bit of water "swishing" around! It's in the yard now, we'll see what happens!

Ok. Clearly I’m bored and I love palm trees. In Particular fascination with king palms. Even though I have all King Palm variety in my garden, and even multiples of all of them. But what i do not have, or I seem to have not seen any one ever done; is grow A Combination of The Veriety in one growing location...... one would think just grab some small Seedlings and they should grow no problem. They all King palms and great root structure n growth. Im sure someone must have tried this, but I am gonna do it!!! Because I’m bored, and I love Palms. I choose to do just a combo of 3 cause as we know Palms Grown in Odd Numbers look best. And I’m having trouble finding small Seedlings of Myolensis, it anyone out there knows someone please let me know. Here is what I am gonna do : 1 ga : Maxima 1ga : Purpurea 1ga : Teracarpa (Jungle Music Hybrid Maxima) In my next Attempt if i can find some Myolensis Seedlings, I am gonna do : 1ga : Myolensis 1ga : Purpurea 1GA : Tukeri Thoughts? Crutiques? Knowledge? If this goes well, and clearly I just like to think Outside the Box, I hope this brings a new way of People Growing More King Palms ! Good luck during this Covid Crap Trying to stay busy and Stimulated

I’ve got a cataractarum that I’ve had outside since I moved in, it didn’t do much growing as it was in a drain-less pot. Finding a spot for this bamboo could be challenging as my “best” spot is the south wall that gets full sun. If anything, I’ll throw a frost blanket over it. Zone pushing has kind of been my game exclusively. I like testing boundaries.. what can I say!

As a 4-5 yr old I grabbed two handfuls, to give the "pretty plant" to my mom... We were on a cross country trip from CA to FL in about 1952-53, and no glue or duct tape for many, many miles.... I still remember it... And as a fisherman, I've had to remove fish hooks from my body too many times to count. Butch

Spreading Like Plague.. Warn anyone ( and everyone ) you know...

Seifritzii. Microspadix looks very different.

Moon Valley is basically the worst at anything related to plants. I have no idea how they're in business. They're all over here in Arizona.

Why is Rhapis Humilis such an expensive palm? I just haven’t heard of any palm costing even remotely close to this. I’m very new to this and genuinely curious.

This is awful. I’m appalled. I understand your desire to not embarrass or slander if in fact you did receive what you bargained for... but I hope you realize now that you were ripped off (I’m not afraid to say it, a spade is a spade). This is a small community, I personally would appreciate if you would share who you purchased these palms from, to both protect future buyers and to give the seller an opportunity to speak up and make right a wrong...

Note Joe's photos. R. excelsa has praemorse leaflet ends ( jagged ends, as if bitten off) and R. humilis has acuminate leaflet ends (comining to a smooth point)

The short answer is no. You won't see any CIDP's in the Pacific Northwest until you hit Gold Beach along the Southern Oregon coast. It's a 9B zone and is regarded as having the most northerly CIDP's in North America. I have driven the entire coast and that's where the big ones start. Interesting article below. https://www.desertnorthwest.com/articles/oregon_coast_adventure.html Here's a pic of one of the Gold Beach palms from last October.

Randal -- Hello and welcome to PalmTalk. You have posted your question in the wrong forum. I suggest you contact PALM MOD using the messages tab (envelope shape) at the top of the page and request to have your question moved to the main forum Discussing Palm Trees Worldwide -- you will get many more replies there!

Whoa. That's quite the price tag for R excelsa. I hope you can get your money back!

In Dec 2018 I purchased 2 Rhapis humilis from a well-known seller in the San Diego area. They were almost $6,000 and that was after heavy negotiation. They did not have them in-house but were getting them from some nearby grower whose name they did not disclose. Much to my surprise, late last summer the larger one produced seeds! Although you can't see them in the pics now taken 10 months later, you can see the empty pieces the seeds were on. Now this goes against everything I understand about Rhapis humilis seeds not existing, since they can only be reproduced by separating the canes. I emailed the owner of the nursery last month and he said "My suspicion is that they were male flowers that fell." I'm not sure what he means because they were distinct round brown balls - maybe 1/8 to 1/4" in diameter - hundreds of them which fell from these branches you see in the pics. The trees have thinned out incredibly (meaning, hundreds and hundreds of fronds have died) since owning. This is especially apparent on the smaller tree. However when I received them, they both had comparable fullness, just different heights. Did I get humilis or are these excelsa?

Sabal palmetto is the most hurricane proof tree around here. Surprisingly, coconuts, especially thriftily grown ones with thin trunks snap like match sticks in a good blow.

The best spot in my yard has been reserved for tomatoes for the past 17 years. Hodgepodge of soils from old pots and fertilizer high in PK give us about 35 jars of marinara and plenty of fresh. They have to grow amidst a ton of tillandsias but don't seem to mind. One of today's picks; Grandaddy Bush - 13.2 oz. Reimer seeds has super quality.

Just noticed a flower starting on mine. Didn't think I would see that yet but very interesting to see. This palm is definitely going to have a thin trunk but starting to look great. I know I probably won't get seed but still cool.

Hey everyone! Today I went out to a nursery in Bronson (one of the best around for variety and volume of plants that will grow here) and I ended up with a Bamboo Palm. None of the plants there are labeled, and I’m a novice with Chamaedorea so hopefully somebody will be able to confirm if it is Seifrizii or Microspadix. Also, any suggestions of where to place it in the yard? and a little bonus, a very nice and slender Canary Island Date on US 27 in “downtown” Williston. Mature CIDP are very uncommon in this area, but there are a few tall ones in downtown Ocala as well.

D. Decipiens has been on my radar lately!! My previous years I never understood the general Dypsis PT obsession, but Decipiens hardiness and appeal has me wanting to try it here!

Totally, Darold! You have seen my yard - very little of what I have "grows here."

I used to be very conservative about zone pushing, but now my position is that "We will never learn anything new by heeding the conventional wisdom". So what, if the conventional wisdom is correct 9 times of 10? We seek the tenth, exception to the rules. I am so old that I remember when no one knew about the frost hardiness of Dypsis decipiens.

Looks like you might be 8b - I don't know much about FL climate zones, but if you do get that cold, that's probably an indoor plant for you at least part of the time. Microspadix and radicalis are the only two Chamaedorea I would think have a shot in 8b.

In my mind I don’t necessarily clump Houston and Texas in with the southeastern US. I feel like we’re the middle ground between the southeast and the southwest. But from a climatic perspective it’s hard to separate Houston from the rest of the northern gulf coast (i.e. the southeast). Anyways, since no one’s responded I thought I’d share a picture of my new specimen. I like that the trunk has a lot of girth for a small plant. I hope this means it’s going to close resemble the Parajubaea and less the Butia.

Dypsis Lafazamanga, it’s amazing how fast this plant has been. I have another, planted shortly after this one, that I am about to pull out of the ground because it never looks good. Maybe I got lucky with this one? 2 years in the ground from a 4” plant.

Thank you everyone for your comments of confirming they are excelsa. Here are some additional photos I took this morning. The first 2 are of the smaller plant (on the right side) and next 2 are of the larger plant (on the left side of terrarium). If the smaller plant looks sick you, that's because it is. When I got it, I was perplexed to find the leaves carefully trimmed in many areas. Only after a while did I discover why that is - they are chronically going brown and dying. I spend many, many hours myself cutting the ends about every 60 days so it looks presentable. For the comment about price markups etc. and how they correlate with service of planting and so forth. This purchase did not involve any service. I did pay for delivery, which was curbside. I actually had to hire people separately, unexpectedly. Myself and partner were able to bring them down 2 flights of stairs, but we were unable to lift them up the 2 ft needed to go into that terrarium. We used an app to hire people later in the evening and long story short, it was a choatic day from the time the plants were dropped off at sunrise, to when we got them in position. I reiterate, this was curbside delivery. For the comment about steering towards humilis - the seller did not steer me towards any specific species. I contacted the seller after finding them as an authority for Rhapis humilis on Google. I inquired as to their current inventory of them and they replied with these 2 they had available. They did provide pics from a distance and of course I trusted they were what they said they were. You can see the space requirements and aesthetics of this terrarium, I specifically sought humilis because I desired their mature height (higher than excelsa) and less full look. Before I post the name of the nursery, I am going to await a response from him within the next day or two. I emailed him over 4 weeks ago about the seeds and he never responded. It was until I emailed him again a few days ago asking why he didn't respond, that he replied saying they were probably male flowers (which didn't make sense to me, since they were distinct balls that fell off).

… and before that a lot of female flowers and not only male ones as in case of the first two inflorescences of my L weddellianum N°1308.

The flowers are slow to develop on the Hechtia glauca. I'm still waiting for them to open but the inflorescence has pushed out a bit further. THe pup appears to be malformed after running into the adjacent rock while being covered by the parent plant. I was curious if Hechtia are monoecious or dioecious so looked it up. Apparently they are doecious, so I am curious if I have a male or female plant. Probably difficult to assess until the flowers actually bloom.

Highly recommend this seller. Bought some Pelagodoxa seeds recently. Order shipped within 1 day, friendly service, cheap prices. Arrived quite quickly despite current tough situation with local post. Shipped in moist vermiculite, so seeds are in great shape. Great service overall

When Hurricane Andrew hit Miami, and Fairchild Tropical Gardens, I know the Hyphaene’s were still standing. There’s an article on the devastation in old issue of “Principes” (Palms) with Borassus laying on ground, on front cover.

Thinking Pachycereus.. As far as removing spines.. luckily, these should be easy since the spines themselves don't possess downward facing, sawtooth-like grooves that help them stay attached to skin, clothing, etc. ..And no, there are no "poisonous" cactus spines. The only thing one might be cautious of is that the spines can collect dust/ bacteria which might enter the wounds they create.. You can apply something like Hydrogen Peroxide / Neosporin after removing any spines ( w/ Tweezers ) to help prevent any potential infection. Get stuck by my Cacti all the time w/ out issue. While this rarely happens, there are cases where you might talk to a doctor if spines are difficult to remove/ lodged deeply under the skin. Hope this helps.

https://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=ACWR4 The USDA shows it too

Hi Cody, No, they are trash! Coconuts need to have at least some water in them to germinate. The sprouts feed off the nutrients in the coconut water for about the first 8 months or so till they have enough roots developed. I have never heard of a dry coconut germinating. John

My first guess is that this is a small population that had probably escaped into the wild from cultivation, and has since adapted to the local area. The sample sheet listed was from 2011, but it had to have been posted recently officially.

Literally just popped overnight! Nothing for 2 months - then BOOM! It's been 110F+ for the last 3 weeks here.Don't be afraid to give these some heat! They obviously can take it. aztropic Mesa,Arizona

I got the 45 gal chambey coming this weekend with some smaller things. Hole dug already

This is one purchased from Multiflora Enterprises as a 5 gallon in summer 2018. It was almost 6 ft tall at the top of the leaves, now is over 12 feet tall at the top of the leaves. It started under canopy of taller Archontophoenix but is now getting afternoon sun as it catching those palms and in another year will pass them by.

Just in time for the first Tropical storm / Hurricane

Neoregelia 'Burnsie's Spiral'

@Susie's Garden Welcome to the forums! Hopefully no hurricanes this year for anyone so you don't have to find out. I'd definitely check the tissue around the hole to see if it is spongy. If it is, definitely remove.

@Susie's Garden, welcome to palm talk! I've had a damaged palm fall over and take out the power to my house. But it was cut near the base and about 70 feet tall, and it wasn't a Sabal or a Washingtonia. In any case, I'll accede to the greater experiences of the gentlemen from hurricane country. On the other hand, if you decide to remove, we all will be full to the rim like a cup of Brim with suggestions for replacements!

Susie, Welcome to PalmTalk !