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How old are the J. caffra (ballpark) when they split?
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Agree . I have some I’m growing from seed . They are barely Starting to Leaf out . Meaning showing tiny spikes barely poking through soil . Slowest this far I’ve grown from seed to show anything above the soil
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I just picked up some heat lamps and their fixtures for this winter. I only need one of each, however it's always good to have the items handy. Once the temps drop below 8C, the 125w brood lamps activate.
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Thanks for the info. They honestly look like twin golden coconut palms. Just gorgeous!
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Slllloooooooowwww . My smallest was a small one gallon still had strap leafs and one mature leaf. I would say now it’s about 15 gallon size and I’ve had it for 6 years . But the first year I planted it , it about died on Me thought it was a goner . Dug it back up After it was in the ground a year and relocated into a pot for a year and nursed it back . Then the following year back into the ground and it likes its new spot . Been there for Probably 3 years . The bigger one was a small 15 gallon when I got It . That one I don’t notice it getting bigger until I look at pictures .
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Jubaeopsis caffra .
WaianaeCrider replied to JubaeaMan138's topic in DISCUSSING PALM TREES WORLDWIDE
Must be as I bought them from someone who has access to seeds. Can't remember where they came from. -
What's the growth rate on J. caffra?
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Hybrid creation: Butia odorata x Parajubaea torallyi var. torallyi F1
OC2Texaspalmlvr replied to Jonathan Haycock's topic in COLD HARDY PALMS
Yeah I can't wait to put it in the ground. My container ranch is busting at the seems haha T J -
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So awesome!!! Not bad growth either from a 2 gallon pot. I always figured these didn’t do well in Hawaii ? Is there others in Hawaii?
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We are here in Rome for a few days and just visited the Botanical garden today. In the palm garden they had some nice CIDP, very tall washingtonias, sabals, butias, livistonas, a queen, a brahea and some orher varieties but the most amazing was a massive jubaea chilensis. Very impressive was also a nannorrhops ritchiana that seems to be very old.
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@Hyde, I have not seen Brahea armata look orange or red, but the photo you posted is Brahea edulis. Still the seeds of Brahea edulis and Brahea armata are typically rounder like the photo of Brahea edulis here: Sometimes armata seeds are a bit more oval shaped but they aren't as dark or elongated as yours. One of the longer seeds you have resembles a Phoenix dactylifera seed but it would have a slit running from one end to the other which I don't see. These fruits can be orange or reddish in color. Here is an example: Phoenix palms are dioecious so you need a male and a female to produce viable seed. If what you have is from a Phoenix palm (which are pinnate and not palmate) you likely have a hybrid with one of the other Phoenix palms that you listed - no way to tell until you sprout it.
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Fall/WInter weather in the PNW talk.
Paradise Found replied to Chester B's topic in WEATHER / CLIMATE
Yup the rainy season has started along with fall foliage. Time to start dreaming of next spring and continue taking care of your baby palms in the house. This palm was planted back in 1994 the very first one as a 5gal, now I have over 40 of them. -
Yes they are all seedlings! I may have to bring the seedlings inside cause the bags are very thin so the soil would freeze very quick and it stays very cold a couple months but that makes me worry about little pest that have found their way into the soil like spring tails or whatever into my house. I'll put the fan on under the porch on freezing nights, cause I'm sure that it would freeze through if I left it out in the open and move it back in the sun in the day! Thanks!!!
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Well, it does make a big difference in price if there is trunking height, Rod! Diameter, or width, is not a limiting factor at all. Quite the contrary, trunking cycads are proportionately more expensive. Cycas from Australia usually have narrow trunks compared to Enceph and Dioon. So 6 inches wide and 10 inches tall for cairnsiana would be enormous and should go for quite a premium! For example, I have a Dioon merolae with four feet of trunk, but it is 9 inches wide. I'm not selling it for 900 bucks which I bought it for 25 years ago. It was 9 inches wide when I purchased it but is now so much more important and botanic garden quality. But there is a more limited market for larger rare cycads; for the most part, this is the realm of the most advanced collectors or specialized dealers in this niche -- many of whom are active on this forum. Have you approached anyone at our Desert Botanic Garden to see if there's any interest? They have pretty deep pockets in normal times. COVID may make this a bad time to sell for best prices. Maybe not, considering the outrageous interest in all sorts of plant collecting these days: e.g., Philodendron spiritus sancti small propagations going for 10,000 dollars on ebay on very competitive bidding.
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Can I cut off suckers from Pigmy date palm
Fusca replied to PalMnoob's topic in DISCUSSING PALM TREES WORLDWIDE
Hi PalMnoob, welcome to Palmtalk. There are several threads here regarding separating Phoenix roebelenii successfully. They are not suckering palms although there is a rare variety that does sucker. Usually suckering "pygmy date palms" are just several solitary plants growing together in the same pot as was the case with the photo in the thread below. They are VERY commonly sold this way in the US as triples or quadruples. If you do have a suckering Phoenix palm it is most likely a hybrid of roebelenii with Phoenix reclinata or Phoenix dactylifera which are both suckering palms. Phoenix palms hybridize easily. -
Can I cut off suckers from Pigmy date palm
quaman58 replied to PalMnoob's topic in DISCUSSING PALM TREES WORLDWIDE
I found the post interesting, because generally cultivated pigmy date palms are solitary. However, the wild version is indeed clustering, a trait that was somehow lost during it's mass propagation. (Or so I remember reading). I recall Floribunda had some clustering versions that it was selling a few years ago. So, if it is indeed clustering and not simply dropping seeds that are germinating (happens a lot with mine), then simply lopping off the unwanted ones with a clean saw will work. Some people apply disinfectants afterward, although I never have and have had no issues with infection. Hope this helps a bit.. -
I haven't noticed any bugs on them or anything but I'm thinking the soil might be too compact as well which I don't know if that could cause problems but I have the worst luck with palms and soil, I'll try and get some of those and give them a try thanks!
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Wow, those two are incredibly close. In fact, when I first saw the pic, I thought it was another species (something suckering), but now think it is Howea/Kentia, which IS a solitary species but frequently grown as multiples. From my own experience, I think they grow better as singles, not multiples. Having said that, I've read that they are not somewhat temperamental when you mess with their roots. If you do separate as suggested above (I like the idea or using water, maybe a hose to help with this), I would NOT do this in October, I would wait until the Spring when days are getting longer and it's more humid. It they were mine, it would be in May or June and then they'd go into a shaded protected, outdoor area until they acclimate to the operation. PS., Nice to see it got to a good home!
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I have this link of the Palm House where the following palms are kept. I am certain the black seeds are Trachycarpus but the other big one with rather harsh bark and such which had rather big red fruits and looked kinda Trachycarpus is confusing. You see I have Trachycarpus Wagneriaus seeds here that I am germinating and they look very different, a bit bigger than regular bean shaped Fortunei but different. I wish I had photos. But I think it has to be one of the ones below. Link: https://www.mainau.de/en/attraction-detail/attraktion/palmenhaus.html It says... Here are some of the species that you can discover: Phoenix canariensis (Canary Island date palm) Phoenix dactylifera (Date palm) Phoenix rupicola (Cliff date palm) Phoenix reclinata (Senegal date palm) Phoenix roebelenii (Pigmy date palm) Sabal palmetto (Palmetto palm) Washingtonia robusta (Mexican fan palm) Brahea armata (Blue hespar palm ) Livistona australis (Australian fan palm) Livistona chinensis (Chinese fan palm) Bismarckia nobilis (Bismarck palm) Trachycarpus fortunei (Chusan palm ) Trachycarpus wagneriana (Wagner’s windmill palm) Chamaedorea elegans (Palour palm) Areca catechu (Betel nut palm) I wonder if it is this Brahea armata palm? It looks rather similar.. The seeds looked similar but a bit more dark yellow red perhaps, Looking here: https://www.palmerasyjardines.com/en/species-catalogue/palm-brahea-edulis/ Below is a recent seedling of the Trachycarpus in the bag that have sprouted (little black seeds that look like a bean) and I put them in a larger coffee cup pot.. On the second picture where you see two plants in such coffee pots (the one on the left (smaller) is Trachycarpus Wagneriaus that I have also grown
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Scott is correct - the seeds are much too small for Bismarckia. Meg is also correct - the seeds on the right are definitely Trachycarpus, but can't be sure what species. I think fortunei, wagnerianus and princeps look the same with purplish/black fruit - I've never seen other species of Trachycarpus but don't know of any with red fruit as you described. Do you have any photos of the palms? Were they both fan palms (palmate)? The ones on the left don't look like they are palm seeds from a cold hardy palm. My first thought was Butia which are pinnate (can have red colored fruit and shape/size seems right) but I don't see the 3 holes that are typical of Butia. Chamaerops often have red fruit and are about the size of the seeds on the left but the shape doesn't look right to me as they tend to be more round than oval. Photos of the mother palms would help a lot.
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BTW, these are not small palms, at least here in Hawaii. The shovel with orange handle for scale. No input on zone pushing, I’ll let others offer info on that subject. Tim
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It will grow successfully in the coastal areas of Miami, no problem. Of course, those areas are now considered zone 11,now. Cyrtostachys and other cold-sensitive species are succeeding. Salacca definitely like warmth and water.
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How the Great Texas Freeze of 2021 Will Effect Your Gardening?
Axel Amsterdam replied to Collectorpalms's topic in COLD HARDY PALMS
Bump are these undamaged grey agaves ovatifolia’s? -
Can I cut off suckers from Pigmy date palm
PalMnoob posted a topic in DISCUSSING PALM TREES WORLDWIDE
I have a pygmy palm I believe, that has many spawns coming off of it. Just wondering if I can saw them off and that it will be OK? I have attached photos. It was purchased when it was very tiny as a single trunk. I counted at least four trucks. I would like to keep the bigger ones and cut off the small ones. I wouldn’t even know how to go about doing that. -
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I can personally attest that they are very difficult to grow in Seattle. I consider myself a great gardener and good palm grower and I have killed 4 large Parajubaea torralyi var. torralyi now. My Butia x Ptvt is doing phenomenal however.
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