Syagrus X Butia

[PalmGuyWC]

Has anyone seen a Syagrus X Butia cross, using Syagrus as the mother tree? I remember years ago visiting a palm society member who lived several miles north of Tampa. It's been a while back so I can't remember the owners name, but he speculated that it was a Syagrus X Butia cross.

As I recall the palm looked mostly like a Queen, but the petiole bases were very wide where connected to the trunk. It also had a lot of fiber or excelsa growing from the base of the petiole. I wasn't interested in hybrids then, so I didnt' pay much attention, but as I recall the fronds were plumose like a Syagrus.

A Queen X Parajubaea would make an interesting cross and I believe it's possible, also a Syagrus X Jubaea.

Dick

[MAUSER]

Has anyone seen a Syagrus X Butia cross, using Syagrus as the mother tree? I remember years ago visiting a palm society member who lived several miles north of Tampa. It's been a while back so I can't remember the owners name, but he speculated that it was a Syagrus X Butia cross.

As I recall the palm looked mostly like a Queen, but the petiole bases were very wide where connected to the trunk. It also had a lot of fiber or excelsa growing from the base of the petiole. I wasn't interested in hybrids then, so I didnt' pay much attention, but as I recall the fronds were plumose like a Syagrus.

A Queen X Parajubaea would make an interesting cross and I believe it's possible, also a Syagrus X Jubaea.

Dick

I had thought, but I do not like working at heights. Maybe in the future ...

I'd like to see any pictures of these crossings.

[PalmGuyWC]

Murcia,

I have a Syagrus X(Butia X Jubaea) but it's small and in a container and not much to look at yet. I have a spot picked out for it, but I have to remove a couple of rose bushes. I'll photoghraph it later in the summer when it's grown a few more fronds. So far it has flat fronds that droop on the ends and on one plain.

Dick

[Kris]

Dear Dick

you have made my imagination run wild ! I like the idea...

And eager to see visuals from your & other's garden of these hybrids !

Love,

Kris

By the way will they put out huge trunks...?

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi Kris,

There are numerous threads on the board discussing hybrids with pictures. Go to search and type in "hybrids." Many of them are photos of small palms because they are so new. It will be a few more years until we know what they will grow into. Merrill has some nice photos of his mature hybrids.

Dick

[sonoranfans]

Has anyone seen a Syagrus X Butia cross, using Syagrus as the mother tree? I remember years ago visiting a palm society member who lived several miles north of Tampa. It's been a while back so I can't remember the owners name, but he speculated that it was a Syagrus X Butia cross.

As I recall the palm looked mostly like a Queen, but the petiole bases were very wide where connected to the trunk. It also had a lot of fiber or excelsa growing from the base of the petiole. I wasn't interested in hybrids then, so I didnt' pay much attention, but as I recall the fronds were plumose like a Syagrus.

A Queen X Parajubaea would make an interesting cross and I believe it's possible, also a Syagrus X Jubaea.

Dick

I'd sure go for a syagrus x parajubaea, it might be the ideal desert canopy palm tree. Unlike the large phoenix it wouldnt be hazardous to trim, should grow quite fast, and take the heat better than the parajubaea. Homeowners need to see something different here to develop an appetite. The syagrus arent dry tolerant and tend to look ratty, the phoenix tend to be relatively slow and too armed with nasty thorns, some type of heat resistant parajubaea cross might be the ticket here. My PVT seedlings are just about the most dry/wind tolerant seedlings I have ever had, now if only they would grow and thrive in the heat.

Edited March 18, 2009 by sonoranfans

[PalmGuyWC]

It gets very hot in Walnut Creek in the summer with temps. often over 100 F. My Butia X Parajubaea grows like crazy in the summer heat, in fact it's the fastest growing palm I have. I realize it gets very hot in the desert and your nights are warm/hot too. It does cool off in Calif. almost every night, however B X P is growing nicely in Orlando and Houston.

I also get good growth from Parajubaea T V T in the warmer months too. Just about everything quits growing here about the middle of Nov and doesn't resume growth till about now.

There is a good chance there will be some Syagrus X Parajubaeas in the near future.

Dick

[sonoranfans]

It gets very hot in Walnut Creek in the summer with temps. often over 100 F. My Butia X Parajubaea grows like crazy in the summer heat, in fact it's the fastest growing palm I have. I realize it gets very hot in the desert and your nights are warm/hot too. It does cool off in Calif. almost every night, however B X P is growing nicely in Orlando and Houston.

I also get good growth from Parajubaea T V T in the warmer months too. Just about everything quits growing here about the middle of Nov and doesn't resume growth till about now.

There is a good chance there will be some Syagrus X Parajubaeas in the near future.

Dick

Dick,

Are butia/parajubaea crosses available anywhere you know? That one could work very well here. I believe that hybrids are the key to expanding the use of palms as landscape trees in the subtropics, including desert areas. We have about 90 100F+ degree days a year for reference. Our hot is also very dry in april through june, and the PVT is really tough in the drying winds. WHen it is dry here(till beginning of july) it gets quite cool at night, about a 30-40 degree drop from the daytime high. When the monsoon hits, its kind of tough, sometimes only cooling off to 88-90F overnight. Queens hate the dry/hot season, but love monsoon season, (heat + moisture) they grow like crazy, and the PVT genetics might handle the dry/hot when it cools off at night. This makes a syagrus PVT cross sound especially intriguing in the desert. Butias seem not to like the heat here, they slow down alot, but especially hate the dry/hot, so a cross there sounds interesting as well.

Tom

Edited March 18, 2009 by sonoranfans

[PalmGuyWC]

Tom,

Patrick Schafer may have some Butia X Parajubaea for sale. In fact I think he is the only person who has them. His E mail is PLS@Hughes.net and his phone is 707 895-3722. He has some other neat cocoid hybrids too.

My Butia X Parajubaea gets early morning sun but is shaded in the late, hot afternoon and it seems to love that spot.

Dick

[Mark Heath]

I have had the pleasure of touring Merrill Wilcoxs' garden, and let me tell you he has an enormous Syagrus X Butia!

Let's hope that he chimes in and shares a pic for all to see!!!! I was blown away!!! What a beautifull palm!! You will not

be dissapointed!

I have never been able to perform that one particular cross after trying a few times, maybe i'll try again!

[Kris]

Hi Kris,

There are numerous threads on the board discussing hybrids with pictures. Go to search and type in "hybrids." Many of them are photos of small palms because they are so new. It will be a few more years until we know what they will grow into. Merrill has some nice photos of his mature hybrids.

Dick

Thanks dear dick,i must say that you,merrill & tim are pioneers in this field..since you all have taken palm growing hobby to the next level..i.e trying to create newer varities & forms ! Keep up the good work

Love,

Kris

[Kris]

I have had the pleasure of touring Merrill Wilcoxs' garden, and let me tell you he has an enormous Syagrus X Butia!

Let's hope that he chimes in and shares a pic for all to see!!!! I was blown away!!! What a beautifull palm!! You will not

be dissapointed!

I have never been able to perform that one particular cross after trying a few times, maybe i'll try again!

Dear Mark

thanks for the intreasting information,even iam eagerly waiting for the visuals of that beauty...

Love,

Kris