[MattyB]

I was at a job site near downtown San Diego and I saw a tree that I thought was Delonix regia across the street. When we left the jobsite I drove by that way to check it out. It turned out to only be a Mimosa tree, so we moved on. We were driving down Island St. at 25th in Sherman Heights, just west of Grant Hill. I was explaining to my Dad that in these old neighborhoods there are some hidden botanical treasures, when all of a sudden, BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









There were lots of flowers on the ground too. This area never gets anything other than rainwater. What a treat.

[Jeff Searle]

Matty,

Is this tree not very common in So-cal? If so, is this considered good size?

Jeff

[joe_OC]

Hey Jeff,

I can say that it is not common in Orange County... I have not seen one of that size, so I would consider that a large tree.



Joe

[Jeff Searle]

joe_OC, on Aug 8 2008, 01:24 AM, said:

Hey Jeff,

I can say that it is not common in Orange County... I have not seen one of that size, so I would consider that a large tree.



Joe

Joe,

Thanks! I just assumed that they grew out there and got pretty large. They are a nice tree.

Jeff

[TikiRick]

MY favorite flowering tree....always drawn to the reds and oranges.
I would imagine that since SoCal is fairly dry, it would lend to doing well there.
However, your winter night lows, I would think would stress the species.
I assume, Matt, that this area this tree was in suffered from record cold--freezing temperatures--last winter? It looks great, regardless.

[bubba]

The Regia Delonix is truly a Carribean native and for it to grow in a Meditteranean climate is an outstanding accompolishment.Dave also posted a nice one in his neighborhood.I have seen a poster from Arizona show Royal Poincianna's growing from Northern Mexico to Northern Phoenix and even Tucson.It would be great to get an update on these specimens after the 2007 freeze.Great find!

[MattyB]

I've never seen a Delonix here, in person, growing outside of a plant enthusiasts garden. And this is by far the largest I've ever seen. If I can get mine through winter I think I can get it up to a pretty good size fairly quickly using water and fertilizer. It's such a fast grower in summer. Mine is 6 feet tall, branching, and very beefy for a plant grown from seed only 13 months ago.

[pohonkelapa]

matt from what you told me about this tree you didnt think it recieved ANY care at all.maybe thats the trcik,just plant one in a good spot & walk away...

[MattyB]

Yeah, I think you're right about that in the winter time. But it responds really well to water and fertilizer in the summer. So maybe you can keep your "tricks" to yourself....if you know what I mean.

[pohonkelapa]

i SAID "walk away..."

[LJG]

The issue is two fold. 1) They need heat to flower and grow. The ones in SD that do well seem to be growing in city areas. Lots of ambient heat and no real chance of freeze. 2) They need it dry in winter. It rains in winter here. So it is hard to get these trees to this size. Unless you have a place like Gary Levine, where he stops all watering in winter and gets lots of heat in summer. I think MayyB will have a good location too.

Matt, good luck with yours. Anytime I planted out small, they died back to far and never fully recovered. Last year I bought one and in winter put it in the garage. It still had major die back. But now it is growing fast and has been pruned up. I hope it does not get too tall because I want to over winter it in my greenhouse and get it ready for spring planting. The trunk is about as big as your fist now. So it has some wood so should be able to handle winter 2009.

Jeff, growing these things is like two steps forward and one step back. I have found that after winter, the growing points die. New grow comes out well below. So if I grow 3 feet in summer, winter will kick it back a foot and half. This is my experience anyway.

[MattyB]

Thanks Len.

By the way, Hunter's Nursery in Spring Valley has a couple of these in 24" or 36" boxes. they're well overhead, maybe 12' tall. The lady who was working there didn't even know what they were.

[pohonkelapa]

you musta been in the taco shop across the street...

[Urban Rainforest]

Matty, You've given me hope for my 15 gal. That tree is friggin awesome !!! The first one I have seen bloom in San Diego. I bought mine as a 1 gal. and it has made it outside through 2 winters. Thanks for posting!
Steve

[Palms1984]

Matty B:

What a great discovery! Wonderful pictures!

I think that D. regia may be close to the Commercial St. tree.

I have several pictures in photobucket.com of trees I know of in
Southern California. I have recently added new pictures.
Check them out.


The link is: http://photobucket.com/
Username: andyplantman
Password: plumeria (lower case)



Here is a couple of pics from the Commercial St. tree

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[Shon]

I think I can see one blooming in Leucadia right 5 freeway on top of a bluff. I'll double check on the way home tomorrow. Good you stuck with something a little more hardy like a Satakentia Matty.

[LJG]

Serious? I will have to make a trip. If I get there and they are just Jacarandas I will be mad Matt.

MattyB, on Aug 8 2008, 01:02 PM, said:

Thanks Len.

By the way, Hunter's Nursery in Spring Valley has a couple of these in 24" or 36" boxes. they're well overhead, maybe 12' tall. The lady who was working there didn't even know what they were.

[Peter]

Actually to be accurate, the Delonix is a Madagascar native, and not from the Caribbean.

[bubba]

Peter,You are right but it was reported that there were more Royal Poincianna's in Miami than the entire country of Madagascar.It is kind of like the Maleleuca,that is from Australia but has taken over the Everglades.

[cagary]

MattyB, on Aug 8 2008, 09:02 PM, said:

Thanks Len.

By the way, Hunter's Nursery in Spring Valley has a couple of these in 24" or 36" boxes. they're well overhead, maybe 12' tall. The lady who was working there didn't even know what they were.

Matty,

Is that the nursery off the 125 in Lemon Grove on Sweetwater? Do you happen to know what they want for a 24" box?

Thanks!

Gary

[Walt]

When I moved to Highlands County, Florida, in 1997, I was told the USDA hardiness zone was 9a! Then I started finding lots of zone 10 flowering trees and shrubs. I then realized said trees dictated what the zone was, and not the climate pundits.

In the below slide show (which drastically needs updating as most photos are five years old) there are some local Delonix regia trees.

http://outdoors.webs.../72530466IDwHsN

[bubba]

Walt, Great trip!It is amazing what can be grown in 9a!

[Palms1984]

I couldn't resist! I went to Hunter's Nursery in Spring Valley to see the two D. regias
in pots. One is in a 15 gal. for $139.00 and the 24" Box is $495.00 which is approximately
12' tall. Both trees suffered a little bit of frost damage in Jan. 2007 according to the women
that works at the nursery. They were very nice to let me take pictures of the trees. I will post
them for people who are interested. The owner of this nursery keeps the two trees away from
any other tree that resemble a mimosa-type-leaf.

I also went to see Matty B's recently discovered D. regia in Sherman Heights, San Diego. It is
a beautiful tree located about 1/2 mile from the Commercial St. D. regia. It is quite possible
that the person who planted this tree could have given the previous owner's the of the Commercial
St. house their tree.

The history of the Sherman Heights tree according a neighbor who's lived across the street from the tree
many, many years is: The man who lived in the house brought back the seeds from Acapulco, MX. He started
several trees. The tree was planted appoximately 10 - 12 years ago. The man watered the tree every other day
during the summer. And it has been blooming appoximately since the tree was four years old. Unfortunately, the
man who planted the tree passed-away six years ago...so none of this can be substantiated.




The smaller D. regia is on the left and is about 5' tall. It looks very small in this picture.

[Dave from So-Cal]

One nice thing about a dry winter . . .

Here it is, La Habra, California, scream, run around the block (f7ully clothed)

[LJG]

That pictures shows the 2 steps forward, one step back I was referring too. You can see the old growing points and how far back it died before new growth started.

Palms1984, on Aug 10 2008, 08:25 PM, said:

I couldn't resist! I went to Hunter's Nursery in Spring Valley to see the two D. regias
in pots. One is in a 15 gal. for $139.00 and the 24" Box is $495.00 which is approximately
12' tall. Both trees suffered a little bit of frost damage in Jan. 2007 according to the women
that works at the nursery. They were very nice to let me take pictures of the trees. I will post
them for people who are interested. The owner of this nursery keeps the two trees away from
any other tree that resemble a mimosa-type-leaf.

I also went to see Matty B's recently discovered D. regia in Sherman Heights, San Diego. It is
a beautiful tree located about 1/2 mile from the Commercial St. D. regia. It is quite possible
that the person who planted this tree could have given the previous owner's the of the Commercial
St. house their tree.

The history of the Sherman Heights tree according a neighbor who's lived across the street from the tree
many, many years is: The man who lived in the house brought back the seeds from Acapulco, MX. He started
several trees. The tree was planted appoximately 10 - 12 years ago. The man watered the tree every other day
during the summer. And it has been blooming appoximately since the tree was four years old. Unfortunately, the
man who planted the tree passed-away six years ago...so none of this can be substantiated.




The smaller D. regia is on the left and is about 5' tall. It looks very small in this picture.

Misc_pla...pics_302.jpg

[Palms1984]

First of all the twig die-back from the previous pic was from the 2007 freeze...according to the woman
at the nursery.

I think anyone interested in planting D. regia shouldn't listen to negative comments from anyone.
Try the tree in an area that receives a lot of heat and sun as long as it doesn't get below 28 degrees
more than once a year. The larger the tree, the hardier it will become.
One will never know if it will grow, unless you plant it.

[LJG]

Maybe I read your post wrong, but I sure hope you are not talking to me. I have tried growing this tree for a few years now. Almost everyone who has tried will tell you these are not easy grows in SoCal - hence they are not avenue trees here in SoCal. If it is an easy grow, you are someone link Gary Levine that lives in about the best place to grow this tree in SoCal. Also, do not misinterpret words of experience, caution or advice as "negative comments". Without these people go into things blind. I am glad every time I am warned about a borderline plant. Gives me guidance in how best to prepare for it in my garden.

And the die back was 2007? That is almost 2 years ago!! That is terrible recovery. Even in 24 in box.

I agree with your comment on "One will never know if it will grow, unless you plant it.". If I did not believe in this, many of the things I have would not be where they are in my garden or greenhouse.

Palms1984, on Aug 12 2008, 01:36 AM, said:

First of all the twig die-back from the previous pic was from the 2007 freeze...according to the woman
at the nursery.

I think anyone interested in planting D. regia shouldn't listen to negative comments from anyone.
Try the tree in an area that receives a lot of heat and sun as long as it doesn't get below 28 degrees
more than once a year. The larger the tree, the hardier it will become.
One will never know if it will grow, unless you plant it.

[Palms1984]

Len:

"I agree with your comment on "One will never know if it will grow, unless you plant it.". If I did not believe in this, many of the things I have would not be where they are in my garden or greenhouse." I agree with you 100%...everyone in Southern California should try this tree if interested.

Andy

[MattyB]

You're right Len, about how lame a recovery that plant is making if, in fact, the damage was from '07. But in my experience with most dicots, and specifically Delonix, that once they get rootbound they just suck at growing. A continuous bump up in pot size is required for healthy growth. This plant should be in the ground about 3 years ago in my opinion. You should try that with your Inga edulis. I know you said you've been trying to train them into a nice tall tree with not much luck. They are loosers in pots too. Plant it and if it sucks after a few years then kill it dead with a karate chop.

[LJG]

Matt said the same thing. The tree is shaped nicely. Now I do not have room. Come by with a trailer or way to get a 24 in box into a truck and it is yours. Nice tree.

My Delonix has been bumped up once a year. 5 -> 15 last summer. 15 -> 24 In box this year. 24 -> Ground next spring. I find almost all my tropical trees hate the pots. But I personally believe they need to be grown up to prepare for SoCal and give them the best chance at survival.

[Justin]

From the original post, how big would you estimate the mowing strip is?

The reason I ask is that I've always thought about planting a Poinciana in between my two garage doors, letting it grow over the roof and driveway. I could cut out a section of the driveway for the tree, meaning that it would be surrounded by concrete and planted next to a south facing wall - seems like a good place.

Anyone think this is viable? Not viable? Would the roots start to break up the surrounding concrete?

[Palms1984]

Matty B.

I do agree with you. The Hunter's Nursery D. regias should have been planted in the ground
at least a few years ago. Most trees in the Fabaceae or (Leguminosae) tend to do poorly in pots
and grow very slowly. I guess I consider myself fortunate, because I have an Inga edulis in a 20 gal.
terra cotta pot. It fruits and grows very quickly as I'm constantly cutting it back...ironically it
has been in the same pot for ten years. Only once has its roots grown into the grown...and
that was this summer.

[MattyB]

Justin, it was the same width as the sidewalk. So that's either 3 or 4 feet, I'm not sure which. Put a root barrier along sides so the roots have to go down. I've seen this done at construction projects where they plant trees in hardscape planters.

[KONADANTOM]

Aloha – I’ve admired many magnificent mature Poinciana trees. I’m not sure how aggressive these buttress tree roots can become over on the U.S. mainland, however I would not plant this particular tree right next to sidewalks / driveways / houses here on Big Island. The web article referenced below states:

“Use it as a canopy tree for large boulevards, or as a front yard lawn specimen. However, its relatively short, stout, smooth, gray-colored trunk produces buttresses with aggressive surface roots. On older trees, these roots can damage masonry and may hinder mowing and understory planting. This is not a storm sturdy tree, so be prepared to pick up fallen branches following strong winds.”

http://lee.ifas.ufl....alPoinciana.pdf

Dan Ashley on “the Big Island” of Hawai’i (Danni en “la Isla Grande” de Hawai’i)

[Palms1984]

Konadamtom:

I have noticed the trees here in Southern California don't seem to have the many surface-rooting problems that are so common in the
tropics. I think it may due to lack of summer rains that the trees' roots may go deeper in the soil (just a guess). Even on the large tree
at Fullerton Arboretum that has been obviously in the ground for many, many years -- it shows no surface roots and I think it even gets
regular water in the lawn. I'll attach a picture of the Fullerton Arboretum tree trunk at soil level.

[Palms1984]

Here is a full picture of the large Fullerton Arboretum Royal Poinciana from trunk view
of previous posted picture.

[KONADANTOM]

Palms1984, on Aug 19 2008, 07:44 AM, said:

Here is a full picture of the large Fullerton Arboretum Royal Poinciana from trunk view
of previous posted picture.

Misc_pla...d_2__240.jpg

Aloha and Mahalo for showing us the photos of the large Fullerton Arboretum Royal Poinciana. A specimen with that stout a trunk here on Big Island would be showing off some sturdy buttress tree roots. I like the look of buttress tree roots, and saw some amazing ones during our IPS Biennial in Costa Rica. Unlike Big Island, Costa Rica has many poisonous snakes - and they enjoy curling up for a nap in the decaying plant debris which collects in those big pockets between the buttress tree roots.

Aside from admiring some very large Royal Poinciana specimens here, I also like the smaller ones growing along the Queen K Highway between Kailua-Kona and the Kona Airport - it looks like someone periodically prunes back the branches to keep the trees "topped" at a height of about 8 feet. As a result, there is an umbrella of downward-arching branches which glow bright orange when the trees are in bloom.

[Palms1984]

Konadamtom:

I have seen many Delonix regia trees in Hawai'i--The Big Island, O'ahu, and Kau'i. I'm from Kalihi Valley, Honolulu, HI. I've always admired
the large beautiful trees at the main library in Honolulu. They do alway seem to have the large surface roots...even in Ewa Beach, where it is
usually very dry they seem to have many surface roots. I'm still not sure why the California trees don't seem to surface root. Maybe someone
has the answer.

Mahalo nui loa for posting your comments.

Andy

[Tyrone]

There's lots of Delonix in my area, and around Perth. Most Madagascan things do well here.

regards

Tyrone

[Palms1984]

Tyrone:

Please post some of the pictures of the D. regia trees in bloom in your area if you have any. I'm sure many people on this thread
would love to see pictures. I know it's still winter there in Australia, however, maybe when they're in bloom again.

Do the trees bloom in spring or summer in Perth?

Thanks.
Andy