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palmazon, 6 Jun 2007
Posted 6 Jun 2007
Thanks for the plug.
Three things I want people to know:
1) It's just getting started. It has a long way to go.
2) Anybody and everybody can add pics, info, and commentary. It seems tricky at first, but you can't mess up. So give it a try.
3) We are striving to have the highest quality palm pics on the web. Don't miss noticing that clicking on most any pic will zoom in or increase the quality, depending on your browser.
Visit often, we are adding pics and species daily.
Please do feel free to contribute as much as you want. We've got lot's of cool high quality pics that are being added to everyday. We need more descriptions though.
So, if you have any info about Habitat & Distribution, Description, Culture, or Curiosities, click on the "edit tab" and add something.
MattyB, Palmpedia Sysop....or Cyborg I can't remember which.
One of the coolest ideas that Dean came up with regarding Palmpedia is that it's unlimited in how many new ideas can be added to it.....it's infinate.
Sorry, didn't mean to type "we" so much. This is not my baby, but Dean's creation. I'm just learning how much fun it is to play with it and want others to join in and share their knowledge and check out the images/info.
Posted 7 Jun 2007
"We" is the exact right work. "We" as in "everybody." That is the concept of a wiki. It is bigger than anyone person, and hopefully it will have a life of it's own created from input by everyone.
??? Really great, but what about authors? For example...how did my picture of Coccothrinax moaensis in habitat jumped from PACSOA to Pampedia? How was the author's name (me!) lost during this jump?
Also, I shot the picture by Moa, (... moaensis!), in Cuba but the Palmpedia says it is in SW Florida ???
Sorry for "jumping" so suddenly about the picture of C.moaensis.
I should have started by writing that I am positive about this wiki project, and I will surely contribute. I had talked about this with Dean before, so I just jumped, but I like what it is growing.
But what can we do to prevent picture grabbing and lack of authors' acknowledgement?
Carlo, it looks like Christian (CFKingfish) posted the shot of C. moaensis. He probably just got some pics confused in his computer.
As far as how to prevent picture grabbing and lack of authors acknowledgement.....? I really don't know. It's the internet. If there's a picture out there then anyone can copy it, manipulate it and post it anywhere they want saying it was theirs. I think that's just the nature of the beast (the internet). In this case, the issue is being brought up to the administrators who can then follow up and make sure the correct actions are taken. I'll make sure Dean or I check it out.
Carlo and all,
As Matt mentioned, "picture grabbing" is a fact of life on the internet. It is more of an issue with wikis because everyone is posting, and monitoring is difficult, but not impossible. In fact, one of the strengths of the wiki is that everyone is also a monitor, and everything is easily traceable, as this instance shows.
Please, correct the credits for your pics and give yourself credit if you will allow their usage. If not, alert me, and I will delete them. I don't think you have permission to delete pics. The PACSOA pics I will delete, since we do not have permission, and should never have been allowed. The wiki policy states copyright material is unallowable. It is obvious that this should have already be understood.
Thanks for your appreciation of the potential for the wiki, and for your alert as to the pic in question. I also appreciate the fact that you are obviously checking out the wiki enough to notice these things.
If you will notice, all of the recent pics have a watermark added, just for this reason. Also, a few other pics were already caught and unallowed for this same reason. I wish I could have caught these. If you allow us to keep your pics up, and you wish watermarks added to yours, please let me know.
So the day I would die the evil wikipedians will come at night and publish all my palm stuff wildly as if it came from nowhere
I see. Go ahead and keep the picture with a watermark with my name. It was taken in habitat, in Quemado del Negro, Moa, Cuba, in October 1998.
A question, will Palmpedia be linked somehow to the regular Wikipedia?
Plants featured on Wikipedia are growing impressively too.
Check the general palm page:
And the Caribbean palm genera are especially well covered because there is a special wiki project on the Caribbean flora.
Carlo, the beautiful thing about wiki's.....I just added Palmpedia as a link in the Arecaceae section of Wikipedia. Thanks for the great suggestion.
Yeah, I have edited Wikipedia a bit here and a bit there in various languages.
Hey man, the non-english wikipedias are almost empty and full of mistakes. The Spanish one is depressive, it has less articles than the Italian or Polish one.
(MattyB @ Jun. 07 2007,14:26)
Some ways to try solve this :
One measure to prevent the linking of images from other sites is by configuring Apache, this also helps to save bandwidth.
To keep author acknowledgments in a wiki, I think, a copyright template can be created, but not sure.
Posted 8 Jun 2007
Wikis are definitely something we will be seeing more of in the future, for all sorts of things. They are not easy to setup and maintain, nor are they as user friendly as forums. However, I think they would be a good thing for anyone to become familiar with, as they are an excellent reference platform.
I think it would be more appropriate if anyone has comments, suggestions, or questions about Palmpedia or wikis in general, to post them on the Palmpedia Project discussion page over on Palmpedia. I will be happy to field questions there.
Posted 2 Jul 2007
So Matty's getting settled in the new house, moving tons of soil, AND helping out with Palmpedia! Amazing.
Posted 10 Jan 2011
Now this is a site with some real & usable information !
One can spend hours clicking around.
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