Need Advice To Maintain Healthy Roots 4 Young Coconut Tree

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Heres another curious fact. Why does the bergamot orange do its best along reggios southern coast? Not even in sicily spain greece and the rest of the Mediterranean does the bergamot reach its glory like in southern Reggio. Reggio is also top commercial producer of annona cherimoyas. Theres commercial mango plantations in vibo and reggio province. Huge avocado trees abound..pecan macadamias bananas white black sapote even jackfruits

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1 hour ago, veeman55 said:

Heres another curious fact. Why does the bergamot orange do its best along reggios southern coast? Not even in sicily spain greece and the rest of the Mediterranean does the bergamot reach its glory like in southern Reggio. Reggio is also top commercial producer of annona cherimoyas. Theres commercial mango plantations in vibo and reggio province. Huge avocado trees abound..pecan macadamias bananas white black sapote even jackfruits

Oranges are subtropical. Cherimoyas are from the highland tropics and generally don't do well in the lowlands where coconuts thrive. All the other stuff you mentioned grows in places like peninsular Spain and New Zealand, where there are no coconuts. Spain is one of the world's biggest producers of cherimoya and number one in mango production in Europe. Your friend no doubt lives in a mild climate by European standards, but it's far from tropical and lacks the necessary heat for coconuts. If mild and frost free winters were the only important factors, the southern California coast would be lined with coconuts...

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The airport is coastal (which is a good thing seeing as the water will be around 14/15 C) and just 1.5 km from center... If a thermometer is placed in a rooftop downtown you will get different values, but that is not how a climate  for a zone is measured, that is a specific micro climate for the balcony or a garden, but if you were do do the same in places like Lampedusa and Malta you would also get warmer values. There is a weather station in downtown Reggio in wunderground and there are two more in the southernmost parts, none of which have remained above 4C in the last 2 years, far from it, and in 2017 that part of Italy was not as affected as previous decades. 

Your friend does live in a very good climate for European Standards, but it is not a zone which has 4C as min records, not by any scientific account at least. Malta would be slightly better in terms of highs and lows (and especially record lows) and if you check their wunderground stations or their airport for the same 2017 event, they were way warmer. Malta records all time low 1.4 in their airport which is around 2.5/3 km from the sea, it is to be expected slightly warmer values near coast in terms of records.

That orange is also grown in Southern France, not known to be frost free. 

Anyway just my 2 cents, not much more to add in terms of climates, I think if your friend puts some effort he will be able to grow a lot of tropicals.

 

 

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8 hours ago, veeman55 said:

Heres another curious fact. Why does the bergamot orange do its best along reggios southern coast? Not even in sicily spain greece and the rest of the Mediterranean does the bergamot reach its glory like in southern Reggio. Reggio is also top commercial producer of annona cherimoyas. Theres commercial mango plantations in vibo and reggio province. Huge avocado trees abound..pecan macadamias bananas white black sapote even jackfruits

Mate, all of these plants can survive and fruit well in a climate much cooler than a coconut will survive in. I can grow all of these plants and have them fruit very well in my yard without a great deal of effort, however, a coconut is a different prospect all together. I can grow a coconut but as I'm several hundred kilometres south of where it will grow comfortably I have to work much harder creating an environment suitable for its survival, it can be done but the palm needs every bit of help it can get. I really hope you can get one going, I'm sure plenty of people here will be watching your efforts and wishing you well, as will I, but don't think because these other plants will grow that a coconut will too because they really do need special care in a non tropical climate.

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7 hours ago, sandgroper said:

Mate, all of these plants can survive and fruit well in a climate much cooler than a coconut will survive in. I can grow all of these plants and have them fruit very well in my yard without a great deal of effort, however, a coconut is a different prospect all together. I can grow a coconut but as I'm several hundred kilometres south of where it will grow comfortably I have to work much harder creating an environment suitable for its survival, it can be done but the palm needs every bit of help it can get. I really hope you can get one going, I'm sure plenty of people here will be watching your efforts and wishing you well, as will I, but don't think because these other plants will grow that a coconut will too because they really do need special care in a non tropical climate.

Agreed.  

I read all the aforementioned fruit trees and cacti grow even I'm Arizona. However, isn't jackfruit just as, if not a notch more tropical than a coconut?

 

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I threw some jackfruits seeds this February to an outside pot I have here in Lisbon in the backstairs of my flat. To my surprise they sprouted early summer if I recall, maybe they get 10/20 mins of direct sunlight everyday.

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18 hours ago, veeman55 said:

Malta Lampadusa Linosa are all exposed to crazy winter storms with howling cold winds and low temp windchills in the winter look at the past few years. One year the wind was so bad it carved up a friend of mines papayas on linosa

What does that have to do with temperatures? Only humans feel windchill, it doesn't alter what the actual temperatures are & if you are sheltered from the wind you get no damage anyway, my own back garden is very sheltered & nothing gets wind damaged there.

9 hours ago, Cluster said:

The airport is coastal (which is a good thing seeing as the water will be around 14/15 C) and just 1.5 km from center... If a thermometer is placed in a rooftop downtown you will get different values, but that is not how a climate  for a zone is measured, that is a specific micro climate for the balcony or a garden, but if you were do do the same in places like Lampedusa and Malta you would also get warmer values. There is a weather station in downtown Reggio in wunderground and there are two more in the southernmost parts, none of which have remained above 4C in the last 2 years, far from it, and in 2017 that part of Italy was not as affected as previous decades. 

Your friend does live in a very good climate for European Standards, but it is not a zone which has 4C as min records, not by any scientific account at least. Malta would be slightly better in terms of highs and lows (and especially record lows) and if you check their wunderground stations or their airport for the same 2017 event, they were way warmer. Malta records all time low 1.4 in their airport which is around 2.5/3 km from the sea, it is to be expected slightly warmer values near coast in terms of records.

That orange is also grown in Southern France, not known to be frost free. 

Anyway just my 2 cents, not much more to add in terms of climates, I think if your friend puts some effort he will be able to grow a lot of tropicals.

 

 

Yes the record low at Luqa airport is 1.4C & that is well inland, minimum temperatures at the coast are always 2-3C warmer than the airport, my nearest Met Office station has a record low of 4C (3.5C to 4.4C as it is a rounded figure). I rarely get lows below 10C where I live, yet I know a coconut would not last long as the daytime highs are not warm enough.

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3 hours ago, GottmitAlex said:

Agreed.  

I read all the aforementioned fruit trees and cacti grow even I'm Arizona. However, isn't jackfruit just as, if not a notch more tropical than a coconut?

 

Jackfruit grows and fruits just fine in California and Spain. Durian is an unrelated spiky fruit that is ultra-tropical. 

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19 minutes ago, Xenon said:

Jackfruit grows and fruits just fine in California and Spain. Durian is an unrelated spiky fruit that is ultra-tropical. 

Thank you for the info. Did not know that.

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2 hours ago, SouthSeaNate said:

What does that have to do with temperatures? Only humans feel windchill, it doesn't alter what the actual temperatures are & if you are sheltered from the wind you get no damage anyway, my own back garden is very sheltered & nothing gets wind damaged there.

Yes the record low at Luqa airport is 1.4C & that is well inland, minimum temperatures at the coast are always 2-3C warmer than the airport, my nearest Met Office station has a record low of 4C (3.5C to 4.4C as it is a rounded figure). I rarely get lows below 10C where I live, yet I know a coconut would not last long as the daytime highs are not warm enough.

Yeah record low for a more coastal station is probably around 3 C over a long period of years if measured with good standards, going by Lampedusa Airport Coastal station.

 

I think Jackfruits, Breadfruits and Durian are somehow related higher up in the family. Breadfruit and Durian are very tropical. 

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Folks its not all about weather stats theres more to it than numbers. You guys just look at the stats and not look at the whole picture.

The proof is in the flora that can be grown. You measure a location's possibility by its plants not by its weather stats. Its not all about numbers.

Southern california has a hard time in keeping cherimoyas and mangos alive for prolonged years because of hard frosts that have devastated their commercial crops which isnt the case with reggio. The highs may be higher but not the lows.

Reggio has similiar climate because the cherimoya has been growing there for hundreds of years.

Andalucia is just much bigger than southern italy thats why its the biggest producer of mango and annonas in europe. Bigger landmass more space to plant..common sense. But southern italy is no slouch ive seen large mango plantations on italys 39th paralell and tasted the mangos myself. Huge size central amercan variety avocados.

The bergamot may grow in france canary islands caribbean or even timbuktu but it is nowhere the fruit quality of southern reggio. Reggio area has 90% of the worlds production.

 

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And growing coconut palms is less about the minimum temperatures & more about maximum temperatures. Nowhere in Europe has winter average highs warm enough to keep a coconut palm alive long term.

I'm not sure why you asked for advice when you are not listening to any of it...

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8 hours ago, SouthSeaNate said:

And growing coconut palms is less about the minimum temperatures & more about maximum temperatures. Nowhere in Europe has winter average highs warm enough to keep a coconut palm alive long term.

I'm not sure why you asked for advice when you are not listening to any of it...

8 hours ago, SouthSeaNate said:

And growing coconut palms is less about the minimum temperatures & more about maximum temperatures. Nowhere in Europe has winter average highs warm enough to keep a coconut palm alive long term.

I'm not sure why you asked for advice when you are not listening to any of it...

 Im listening but you arent however your imposing your opinion.

We shall see whos right when that palm survives and the others along with it

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9 minutes ago, veeman55 said:

 Im listening but you arent however your imposing your opinion.

We shall see whos right when that palm survives and the others along with it

Hey, sometimes the "impossible" happens...

Regards from Southern California!

 

 

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