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..This tweet from Scripps Oceanography today, and yesterday's SST readings via "State Of The Ocean" data from Southern CA. say it all..  Have been hearing about the 65+ Dew point readings across coastal San Diego county lately.   Data from the  State of the Ocean site is Sea Surface Temp. anomalies, not the actual temps recorded.

From Scripps twitter page..
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State of the Ocean SST anomaly data from 8/2/2018 across S. Cal. 
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 With this summer's stubborn high pressure looking to set up on top of the region again over the weekend and possibly through all of next week.. could Scripps record that magic number of 80F? ..Must admit i'm a little envious regardless.

Keep in mind the Sea surface temp/anom. readings being seen atm are not El Nino related.. On a side note, north of Pt. Conception, current SST anomalies are normal or below normal (cold as heck).

-Nathan

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Very interesting. How does this higher water temperature effect high and low temperatures? Does it effect humidity levels? I hope SD is not becoming “hot and humid without that wonderful feel of outdoor air conditioning”!

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3 hours ago, bubba said:

Very interesting. How does this higher water temperature effect high and low temperatures? Does it effect humidity levels? I hope SD is not becoming “hot and humid without that wonderful feel of outdoor air conditioning”!

Funny you mention it, apparently the temperature didn't fall below 74F at the airport in San Diego last night, beating the 72F min. temp record recorded a that location back in 2014.

Another tweet from the San Diego NWS on Aug 2nd read something like " The temperature at 10:45am at San Diego Airport is 81F, doesn't sound too impressive but the dew point is 70deg, that would be muggy...."

From simple observation, id say the higher water temps would keep work to keep overnight lows across the coastal spots 2-5f ( maybe more) degrees warmer, especially when you add in the increased dew point / humidity readings... similar to what happens in Florida when there is just enough of a breeze to move that moisture onshore,  just on a more localized scale since once you get further inland, drier desert air mixing in when some of it moves west over the mountains in the evenings might beat back the moister air influence from the coast. 

When it has been around, it seems like the marine layer hasn't really had much effect on overnight temps, possibly helping to keep them up, if anything... Still, its impressive to look at the coming week's pin point forecasts for spots like Oceanside and Carlsbad, La Jolla and Coronado, and see suggested overnight lows in the mid-upper 60s to low 70s with or without a marine layer.  

Will be interesting to see what water temps do the rest of August / beginning of fall since there is still a few weeks to go before they normally peak in California, plus whatever influence the suggested turn towards El Nino might have ( adding more + warm water to the pipeline from down south, if it happens).

Fyi, for anyone wondering, no, even if water temps did hit and stay at / around 80F for a few weeks, the depth of the warmer water wouldn't be / doesn't currently appear to be enough to support a Hurricane.  Tropical storm..  better than average potential for heavy rain from such a system, if one approaches?.. possibly.  

As far as a trend, certainly a possibility but i myself want to see at least 5-7 more years of information before drawing any conclusions. Recent reports of Hammerhead Sharks, and yet another live Sea Snake (Yellow Bellied) turning up on a local beach ( Jan.11th, 2018. near the 18th street lifeguard tower, Newport Beach ) outside of El Nino-influenced conditions are intriguing however.

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I would prefer SD to continue “not muggy and with continued out door air conditioning”. If you want muggy, you can always travel inland to the Glades and hang out in Jerome, Frog City or Immokalee (in particular the shores of Lake Trafford just west of the prison).

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2 minutes ago, bubba said:

I would prefer SD to continue “not muggy and with continued out door air conditioning”. If you want muggy, you can always travel inland to the Glades and hang out in Jerome, Frog City or Immokalee (in particular the shores of Lake Trafford just west of the prison).

:greenthumb: I'm sure many locals might agree, though i'm sure most are enjoying swimming / surfing in the water there this summer.. If you have ever had the  ..ahem, "pleasure"  of swimming in the Pacific along most of CA, and points north this time of year, you'd likely think a dip in the waves off Coronado were heaven at the moment..  Heck, i once thought a swim at La Jolla cove was "warm" when i visited back in the early 90's. Pretty sure water was only in the 60's at that time..

Compare that to spending most of my summers at the beaches in /around Santa Cruz where water temps were flirting with 60f, if your were lucky.. Even luckier were the days the fog didn't roll in by 5pm and you got to enjoy the beaches there under the stars..

As far as Florida, yes.. no doubt the many trips made to some nurseries near you were sweaty.. let alone exploring John Pennekamp St. Park with a bad sunburn acquired in Venice while following the Tamiami down the west coast to Key Largo years ago.  Still, i do miss being able to walk / run the beach at 12am on Treasure island when i lived in Largo however..
 

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Silas,

All your points are spot on. You know the territory. As a Floridian, I understand and agree with your point on surprisingly cold Pacific water temperature and it’s effect when you are sporting in it. Got ankle deep a few years ago while staying at the Del in the middle of summer before a 180.

I take for granted perfect turquoise warm ocean water year round and great coral reefs. Waves are not Pacific style except when Hurricanes churn off Carolinas. I do not understand how Florida can produce a Kelly Slater.

 The “out door air conditioning”effect and lack of muggy conditions in California is boldacious for a Florida boy. It is perfection for me. The grass is always greener!

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Another day, another SST record broken.  Water temp of 79.34F / 26.3C off Scripps Pier today.

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Last week I was working inland near where I live and apparently it was 105 and the dew point was 78. Sure felt like it. I'm used to dry here.

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17 hours ago, Chris Chance said:

Last week I was working inland near where I live and apparently it was 105 and the dew point was 78. Sure felt like it. I'm used to dry here.

I saw that Imperial was in the 90's, with a 79-80Deg Dew Point at 2am yesterday ..a heat index of 106F.. at 2am:blink: Yuck!

We actually cooled off (was only 102F,  some call that "sweatshirt weather" here, lol) yesterday. Maybe only 100 today. Received *actual* rainfall at the house and had one heck of an electrical storm Tuesday night. Set 4 houses and some Washingtonias ablaze over in Mesa / Gilbert.

 Round 2 last night produced sprinkles at the house but winds in the 60-75mph range. The Mesquite in our front yard was moving around as though a 300lb Linebacker were trying to push it over.  Was bad enough that there were waves of dust / sand blowing over the street, almost the same effect you'd see in a Whiteout during a Blizzard. Could hear chain saws going around 11pm down by the Hospital. Looked like someones car parked over there got damaged also. 

Round 3 possible tonight. Storm Predtn. Cntr. has us under a "slight risk" for severe storms.. Haven't seen them put us under the "Yellow" category in awhile. Could be interesting.

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4 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

I saw that Imperial was in the 90's, with a 79-80Deg Dew Point at 2am yesterday ..a heat index of 106F.. at 2am:blink: Yuck!

We actually cooled off (was only 102F,  some call that "sweatshirt weather" here, lol) yesterday. Maybe only 100 today. Received *actual* rainfall at the house and had one heck of an electrical storm Tuesday night. Set 4 houses and some Washingtonias ablaze over in Mesa / Gilbert.

 Round 2 last night produced sprinkles at the house but winds in the 60-75mph range. The Mesquite in our front yard was moving around as though a 300lb Linebacker were trying to push it over.  Was bad enough that there were waves of dust / sand blowing over the street, almost the same effect you'd see in a Whiteout during a Blizzard. Could hear chain saws going around 11pm down by the Hospital. Looked like someones car parked over there got damaged also. 

Round 3 possible tonight. Storm Predtn. Cntr. has us under a "slight risk" for severe storms.. Haven't seen them put us under the "Yellow" category in awhile. Could be interesting.

Man living in Vegas that was one of my favorite things was the monsoons. Sometimes they can be downright scary but amazing at the same time. I have a slight chance at seeing a thunderstorm in my area the next few days and I hope we get one. About a month ago we had some nice lighting but no rain. Seemed like it just went around my city.

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9 hours ago, Chris Chance said:

Man living in Vegas that was one of my favorite things was the monsoons. Sometimes they can be downright scary but amazing at the same time. I have a slight chance at seeing a thunderstorm in my area the next few days and I hope we get one. About a month ago we had some nice lighting but no rain. Seemed like it just went around my city.

Agree, when it decides to rain, instead of just throwing around dust, Monsoon season is great, especially the smell of the Creasote Bush after the rains clear out.  Pouring atm with lots of lightning. Am hoping everyone out there gets in on more action also, A, to help w/ the fires, and also get some water for everyone's gardens. I know all of S. cal did almost as bad, if not worse as we did last winter, rainfall-wise.. Hoping this winter is wet. 

Btw, just saw.. water off Scripps Pier hit 79.5F earlier and the outer Buoy off Torrey Pines clocked an SST reading of 81.3F at 5:30pm Will be a record for anywhere in CA. coastal waters if confirmed. Crazy..

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Are these water temperatures making it very humid there? We have the same water temperatures here in New York and it’s felt like a jungle.

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4 minutes ago, cm05 said:

Are these water temperatures making it very humid there? We have the same water temperatures here in New York and it’s felt like a jungle.

From all the reports i have seen, and talking to family friends in the area, it seems so. San Diego has been breaking overnight low records ( warmer than normal ) since the start of the month. Thinking areas further north along the Orange County / Los Angeles County coastal spots have been close as well though it seems, at least according to the NWS in San Diego, and Daniel Swain's ( Author of the Weather West Blog) twitter feed, San Diego has been the "hot" spot atm..  I'll have to look at the NWS Los Angeles Twitter page to see if they too are seeing the same recent increase in their low temps ( id imagine so). 

The 81.3f water temp. report id posted on yesterday came from Robert Krier, a Weather writer / Editor for the San Diego Union Tribune.

Looking at the latest data from the State of the Ocean website, the biggest SST anomalies across the country appear to be off the S. Cal. / N-Cen. Baja coast. Current water temp and anomaly data is delayed by roughly 24 hours so if you look over it, yesterday would be the last update. Sticks out like a sore thumb. On that note, water temp anoms. around FL. are running between +1 and -1.5C or so, Same w/ most of coastal TX.   

Originally stumbled on State of the Ocean while looking over twitter updates form another climatologist i follow. Neat site.

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Instead of being lazy and making another thread of the same ..or a similar title, decided to re find this blast from the past and post a pretty eye popping SST reading report from S. FL.

98.1F  " water "  Temp?  ..Would that even feel cool?  at all?  ..Esp. when the air temp is in the same range??

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From some additional reading, apparently, the world's hottest SST reading, From Kuwait Bay in the Middle East, is 37.6C ..or 99.7F 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33096400/

Crazy to think this reading came that close..  ..And has plenty of time to try again 😬

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14 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Instead of being lazy and making another thread of the same ..or a similar title, decided to re find this blast from the past and post a pretty eye popping SST reading report from S. FL.

98.1F  " water "  Temp?  ..Would that even feel cool?  at all?  ..Esp. when the air temp is in the same range??

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From some additional reading, apparently, the world's hottest SST reading, From Kuwait Bay in the Middle East, is 37.6C ..or 99.7F 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33096400/

Crazy to think this reading came that close..  ..And has plenty of time to try again 😬

Nathan, the Garfield Bight station is located in the shallow habitat on the coast of the Everglades National Park, and is subject to rapid heating (and cooling in winter) as well as intrusion of freshwater from the adjacent Everglades, which are subject to significant terrestrial heating and thunderstorm activity in the hot/rainy season. Here is a lengthy analysis of sea-grass mortality events in Florida Bay that gets into many of the factors including circulation patterns, water-depth, et al., involved in the highly variable water-temperature conditions in Florida Bay.

Here is the raw data from Garfield Bight station (GBTF1). Note a couple of odd elements...that the heating event at this station (36C or higher) occurred overnight, from 8pm to 9am, with the highest temps at 10-11pm, and at the time of the reading the "WeatherProf" plucked, the salinity of the water had run down to 26psu or so. Ocean water is typically about 35psu, and if you scroll down in the data, you'll see that this station is variable in that regard but has in recent days obviously been receiving a lot of freshwater influx from the flats of the Everglades, or from storms/rainfall, so I would proffer that such a reading would benefit from further investigation.

The Kuwait Bay station is in the middle of a bay in the Persian Gulf, and these may or may not be comparable environments in terms of the surrounding larger bodies of water, or of freshwater influences from adjacent onshore areas, etc. According to the abstract from the study of that event that you cite, the extreme event at the Kuwait station "was associated with heatwave, neap tides, and an extended period of Kous winds which are characterized by high humidity levels and accompanied by large-scale intermittent fish kill incidents that extended the full length of the Kuwait coastline."

The raw data link above will "scroll off"  over time, so here are some of the data readings during the high-temp event at low salinity, and about four weeks ago, vs. when salinities were more typical of the open ocean, around 35psu/ppt (scroll down to bottom block of data-readings). I'm not saying that there's a direct correlation one way or the other in the details of this specific event, as there are so many variables that can play a role in a dynamic environment, but just to highlight that it's cheap and easy to get attention on social media or in a headline by plucking a data-point and exploiting it, when to make any kind of meaningful judgments on the event would warrant some extensive study of all the contributing elements including station location and geographic, marine and atmospheric environmental factors/variables/anomalies, et al.

 

#YY  MM DD hh mm   DEPTH  OTMP   COND   SAL

#yr  mo dy hr mn       m  degC  mS/cm   psu

2023 07 14 12 00     1.5 33.65     MM 32.48

2023 07 14 11 00     1.5 33.72     MM 32.45

2023 07 14 10 00     1.5 33.84     MM 32.39

2023 07 14 09 00     1.5 33.99     MM 32.23

2023 07 14 08 00     1.5 34.15     MM 32.12

2023 07 13 16 00     1.5 34.82     MM 26.00

2023 07 13 15 00     1.5 33.86     MM 25.27

2023 07 13 14 00     1.5 33.92     MM 25.66

2023 07 13 13 00     1.5 34.68     MM 25.96

2023 07 13 12 00     1.5 34.81     MM 25.97

2023 07 13 11 00     1.5 34.76     MM 25.94

2023 07 13 10 00     1.5 35.34     MM 26.26

2023 07 13 09 00     1.5 36.01     MM 26.46

2023 07 13 08 00     1.5 36.31     MM 26.51

2023 07 13 07 00     1.5 36.40     MM 26.49

2023 07 13 06 00     1.5 36.42     MM 26.49

2023 07 13 05 00     1.5 36.46     MM 26.48

2023 07 13 04 00     1.5 36.50     MM 26.49

2023 07 13 03 00     1.5 36.56     MM 26.48

2023 07 13 02 00     1.5 36.60     MM 26.48

2023 07 13 01 00     1.5 36.65     MM 26.45

2023 07 13 00 00     1.5 36.69     MM 26.43

2023 07 12 23 00     1.5 36.70     MM 26.43

2023 07 12 22 00     1.5 36.72     MM 26.43

2023 07 12 21 00     1.5 36.64     MM 26.41

2023 07 12 20 00     1.5 36.33     MM 26.34

2023 07 12 19 00     1.5 35.91     MM 26.30

2023 07 12 18 00     1.5 35.55     MM 26.09

2023 07 12 17 00     1.5 34.73     MM 25.47

2023 07 12 16 00     1.5 34.17     MM 25.20

2023 07 12 15 00     1.5 34.24     MM 25.70

2023 07 12 14 00     1.5 34.44     MM 25.95

2023 07 12 13 00     1.5 34.78     MM 26.20

 

And here, about four weeks ago, when salinities were closer to typical ocean densities:

#YY  MM DD hh mm   DEPTH  OTMP   COND   SAL

#yr  mo dy hr mn       m  degC  mS/cm   psu

2023 06 19 12 00     1.5 29.33     MM 35.57

2023 06 19 11 00     1.5 29.59     MM 35.67

2023 06 19 10 00     1.5 29.82     MM 35.77

2023 06 19 09 00     1.5 30.02     MM 35.86

2023 06 19 08 00     1.5 30.06     MM 35.87

2023 06 19 07 00     1.5 30.08     MM 35.85

2023 06 19 06 00     1.5 30.15     MM 35.84

2023 06 19 05 00     1.5 30.26     MM 35.74

2023 06 19 04 00     1.5 30.32     MM 35.54

2023 06 19 03 00     1.5 30.35     MM 35.07

2023 06 19 02 00     1.5 30.41     MM 34.83

2023 06 19 01 00     1.5 30.44     MM 34.57

2023 06 19 00 00     1.5 30.47     MM 34.05

2023 06 18 23 00     1.5 30.52     MM 33.46

2023 06 18 22 00     1.5 30.56     MM 33.36

2023 06 18 21 00     1.5 30.54     MM 33.36

2023 06 18 20 00     1.5 30.46     MM 33.64

2023 06 18 19 00     1.5 30.16     MM 33.50

2023 06 18 18 00     1.5 29.82     MM 33.41

2023 06 18 17 00     1.5 29.53     MM 33.66

2023 06 18 16 00     1.5 29.37     MM 33.78

2023 06 18 15 00     1.5 29.16     MM 33.93

2023 06 18 14 00     1.5 28.88     MM 33.99

2023 06 18 13 00     1.5 28.80     MM 33.97

2023 06 18 12 00     1.5 28.88     MM 33.97

2023 06 18 11 00     1.5 29.05     MM 34.00

2023 06 18 10 00     1.5 29.21     MM 34.08

2023 06 18 09 00     1.5 29.45     MM 34.19

2023 06 18 08 00     1.5 29.85     MM 34.55

2023 06 18 07 00     1.5 30.36     MM 34.87

2023 06 18 06 00     1.5 31.07     MM 35.49

2023 06 18 05 00     1.5 31.36     MM 35.57

2023 06 18 04 00     1.5 31.43     MM 35.66

2023 06 18 03 00     1.5 31.59     MM 35.82

2023 06 18 02 00     1.5 31.88     MM 35.84

2023 06 18 01 00     1.5 32.60     MM 35.82

2023 06 18 00 00     1.5 32.93     MM 35.68

2023 06 17 23 00     1.5 33.31     MM 36.06

2023 06 17 22 00     1.5 33.50     MM 36.02

2023 06 17 21 00     1.5 33.32     MM 35.91


 

Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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Nathan, the Garfield Bight station is located in the shallow habitat on the coast of the Everglades National Park, and is subject to rapid heating (and cooling in winter) as well as intrusion of freshwater from the adjacent Everglades, which are subject to significant terrestrial heating and thunderstorm activity in the hot/rainy season. Here is a lengthy analysis of sea-grass mortality events in Florida Bay that gets into many of the factors including circulation patterns, water-depth, et al., involved in the highly variable water-temperature conditions in Florida Bay.

Here is the raw data from Garfield Bight station (GBTF1). Note a couple of odd elements...that the heating event at this station (36C or higher) occurred overnight, from 8pm to 9am, with the highest temps at 10-11pm, and at the time of the reading the "WeatherProf" plucked, the salinity of the water had run down to 26psu or so. Ocean water is typically about 35psu, and if you scroll down in the data, you'll see that this station is variable in that regard but has in recent days obviously been receiving a lot of freshwater influx from the flats of the Everglades, or from storms/rainfall, so I would proffer that such a reading would benefit from further investigation.

The Kuwait Bay station is in the middle of a bay in the Persian Gulf, and these may or may not be comparable environments in terms of the surrounding larger bodies of water, or of freshwater influences from adjacent onshore areas, etc. According to the abstract from the study of that event that you cite, the extreme event at the Kuwait station "was associated with heatwave, neap tides, and an extended period of Kous winds which are characterized by high humidity levels and accompanied by large-scale intermittent fish kill incidents that extended the full length of the Kuwait coastline."

The raw data link above will "scroll off"  over time, so here are some of the data readings during the high-temp event at low salinity, and about four weeks ago, vs. when salinities were more typical of the open ocean, around 35psu/ppt (scroll down to bottom block of data-readings). I'm not saying that there's a direct correlation one way or the other in the details of this specific event, as there are so many variables that can play a role in a dynamic environment, but just to highlight that it's cheap and easy to get attention on social media or in a headline by plucking a data-point and exploiting it, when to make any kind of meaningful judgments on the event would warrant some extensive study of all the contributing elements including station location and geographic, marine and atmospheric environmental factors/variables/anomalies, et al.

 

#YY  MM DD hh mm   DEPTH  OTMP   COND   SAL

#yr  mo dy hr mn       m  degC  mS/cm   psu

2023 07 14 12 00     1.5 33.65     MM 32.48

2023 07 14 11 00     1.5 33.72     MM 32.45

2023 07 14 10 00     1.5 33.84     MM 32.39

2023 07 14 09 00     1.5 33.99     MM 32.23

2023 07 14 08 00     1.5 34.15     MM 32.12

2023 07 13 16 00     1.5 34.82     MM 26.00

2023 07 13 15 00     1.5 33.86     MM 25.27

2023 07 13 14 00     1.5 33.92     MM 25.66

2023 07 13 13 00     1.5 34.68     MM 25.96

2023 07 13 12 00     1.5 34.81     MM 25.97

2023 07 13 11 00     1.5 34.76     MM 25.94

2023 07 13 10 00     1.5 35.34     MM 26.26

2023 07 13 09 00     1.5 36.01     MM 26.46

2023 07 13 08 00     1.5 36.31     MM 26.51

2023 07 13 07 00     1.5 36.40     MM 26.49

2023 07 13 06 00     1.5 36.42     MM 26.49

2023 07 13 05 00     1.5 36.46     MM 26.48

2023 07 13 04 00     1.5 36.50     MM 26.49

2023 07 13 03 00     1.5 36.56     MM 26.48

2023 07 13 02 00     1.5 36.60     MM 26.48

2023 07 13 01 00     1.5 36.65     MM 26.45

2023 07 13 00 00     1.5 36.69     MM 26.43

2023 07 12 23 00     1.5 36.70     MM 26.43

2023 07 12 22 00     1.5 36.72     MM 26.43

2023 07 12 21 00     1.5 36.64     MM 26.41

2023 07 12 20 00     1.5 36.33     MM 26.34

2023 07 12 19 00     1.5 35.91     MM 26.30

2023 07 12 18 00     1.5 35.55     MM 26.09

2023 07 12 17 00     1.5 34.73     MM 25.47

2023 07 12 16 00     1.5 34.17     MM 25.20

2023 07 12 15 00     1.5 34.24     MM 25.70

2023 07 12 14 00     1.5 34.44     MM 25.95

2023 07 12 13 00     1.5 34.78     MM 26.20

 

And here, about four weeks ago, when salinities were closer to typical ocean densities:

#YY  MM DD hh mm   DEPTH  OTMP   COND   SAL

#yr  mo dy hr mn       m  degC  mS/cm   psu

2023 06 19 12 00     1.5 29.33     MM 35.57

2023 06 19 11 00     1.5 29.59     MM 35.67

2023 06 19 10 00     1.5 29.82     MM 35.77

2023 06 19 09 00     1.5 30.02     MM 35.86

2023 06 19 08 00     1.5 30.06     MM 35.87

2023 06 19 07 00     1.5 30.08     MM 35.85

2023 06 19 06 00     1.5 30.15     MM 35.84

2023 06 19 05 00     1.5 30.26     MM 35.74

2023 06 19 04 00     1.5 30.32     MM 35.54

2023 06 19 03 00     1.5 30.35     MM 35.07

2023 06 19 02 00     1.5 30.41     MM 34.83

2023 06 19 01 00     1.5 30.44     MM 34.57

2023 06 19 00 00     1.5 30.47     MM 34.05

2023 06 18 23 00     1.5 30.52     MM 33.46

2023 06 18 22 00     1.5 30.56     MM 33.36

2023 06 18 21 00     1.5 30.54     MM 33.36

2023 06 18 20 00     1.5 30.46     MM 33.64

2023 06 18 19 00     1.5 30.16     MM 33.50

2023 06 18 18 00     1.5 29.82     MM 33.41

2023 06 18 17 00     1.5 29.53     MM 33.66

2023 06 18 16 00     1.5 29.37     MM 33.78

2023 06 18 15 00     1.5 29.16     MM 33.93

2023 06 18 14 00     1.5 28.88     MM 33.99

2023 06 18 13 00     1.5 28.80     MM 33.97

2023 06 18 12 00     1.5 28.88     MM 33.97

2023 06 18 11 00     1.5 29.05     MM 34.00

2023 06 18 10 00     1.5 29.21     MM 34.08

2023 06 18 09 00     1.5 29.45     MM 34.19

2023 06 18 08 00     1.5 29.85     MM 34.55

2023 06 18 07 00     1.5 30.36     MM 34.87

2023 06 18 06 00     1.5 31.07     MM 35.49

2023 06 18 05 00     1.5 31.36     MM 35.57

2023 06 18 04 00     1.5 31.43     MM 35.66

2023 06 18 03 00     1.5 31.59     MM 35.82

2023 06 18 02 00     1.5 31.88     MM 35.84

2023 06 18 01 00     1.5 32.60     MM 35.82

2023 06 18 00 00     1.5 32.93     MM 35.68

2023 06 17 23 00     1.5 33.31     MM 36.06

2023 06 17 22 00     1.5 33.50     MM 36.02

2023 06 17 21 00     1.5 33.32     MM 35.91


 

I do agree that the reading would be worth a few more coins if it were taken out in deeper water, and that i'd  like to see an data from an array of sensors both at shallow and deeper depths but, even if the depth is only 15-20ft, and only a few hundred feet offshore 98 degree water temp reading(s) anywhere are significant..

Regardless, i'd seen 90-91F readings were recorded from deeper water sensors, and that it is very likely a significant Coral bleaching / killing event is likely occurring.

Unless something changes the direction of it, there is still a couple months of additional warming left, which means similar... or possibly higher... individual / averaged readings of all sensors are possible before the temps. start their post summer cool down ( if that even occurs ).  Will be interesting to 👀 play out regardless.

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Another week, another   -potential-   world record SST reading noted in S. FL  Lots of reports  -from researchers-   of mass Coral bleaching / mortality  being seen already in some areas as well.  No Bueno.

https://www.wtsp.com/article/tech/science/climate-science/florida-keys-101-degrees-buoy-water-ocean-world-record/67-911034a5-a12f-4782-b868-f2a9f3b34ab6

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.....Well California   ...i guess the cool / cold offshore SST pattern had to come to an end at some point..  This edges in a bit closer to the coast, things could get very interesting over the coming weeks / months ( Depending how long it hangs around... )

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Wider view from the State Of The Ocean ( SOTO ) website.. Aug. 5th data.


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You don't state what your perilous-looking "SOTO" image is displaying, whether SST or SST anomalies, or something else...nor a legend to its coloration...but it should be noted that these anomalies exist in one of the more frigid bodies of water for its latitude on the planet. 70s F is (as graphed) unusually warm out over the open North Pacific ocean, far offshore, but these intense red colors can give people the misleading impression the water is about to bubble in a fast boil. And meanwhile, according to NOAA, temps just offshore of the PNW coast are still in the low/mid 50s...all the way down to Point Conception. Ouch!

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And in re the situation in Florida, the "hot tub" temps lately exploited in the media have occurred in shallow mud-outflows next to land in the Everglades/Florida Bay region during recent heatwaves there. There is no coral in these areas. The reef-tract exists roughly six miles south of the Florida Keys, and temps, though warmer than normal, do not approach those encountered in these publicized "hot tub" areas. Also, the SSTs are generally measured close to the surface and many of the corals exist 30+ feet below the surface where temps are not as variable.

Also it is not often known amongst the general public that coral bleaching is not equal to death, it is an expulsion of zooxanthellae (a type of symbiotic algae) from the coral polyps and will generally reverse when the water cools. Also where coral dies the recruitment of new coral larvae (constantly being produced throughout the Caribbean basin) acts as a constant backup. The bigger problems there right now are as-yet-undiagnosed diseases that are wiping out much of the scleractinian corals along the Florida Reef Tract (this has been going on for some time now). And one must remember that warmth is only one element in bleaching/death of coral reefs. Pollution (and related algae overgrowth) are one of the biggest threats/causes. There is a constant outflow of phosphorous and nitrogen from the Okeechobee-area agricultural areas (particularly from the governmentally protected "Big Sugar" industry) that has just about ruined Florida Bay and the Florida Keys and its patch-reefs. Much of the water-monitoring system set up some years ago have been (perhaps conveniently) shut down by the Florida legislature through budget reductions. (The Miami Herald is a good place to get a better picture of this complex and highly political situation.) And one interesting adventure in contrast is to investigate the condition of Cuba's coral reefs, which are generally renowned for their beautiful condition, by many accounts the jewel of the Caribbean. This perhaps oddly enough is attributed to Fidel Castro being a big scuba diver and obsessed with the coral reefs of Cuba, so they were--and still are--very heavily protected from pollution and human interference. 

Take a look at the SST anomalies below as of yesterday (5 August) according to NOAA. From the abnormally cold waters off most of the Central/Southern California coast, to the elevated SSTs in the Gulf/Florida/Caribbean areas, they don't compare to the anomalously high temps in the El Niño-dominated areas off the west coast of equatorial South America. This is a very big problem for the Galapagos and Ecuador and adjacent areas for a number of reasons. Not to mention that it will have quite an effect on our own weather over the next year or two, probably. And I'm certainly not a meteorologist, but one thing I learned from living in the Deep South and then the Florida Keys...that blob of warmest water in the upper Gulf of Mexico, as August wears on...keep an eye on it if it doesn't relax a bit. The upper Central Gulf Coast seems to have a propensity for hosting a storm right in the Labor Day timeframe. That's three weeks away, but if I were living in the area from Houston to Pensacola I'd start paying attention to this very soon. Also chubasco season is approaching, and there's a lot of red around lower Baja/Gulf of California...

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Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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You don't state what your perilous-looking "SOTO" image is displaying, whether SST or SST anomalies, or something else...nor a legend to its coloration...but it should be noted that these anomalies exist in one of the more frigid bodies of water for its latitude on the planet. 70s F is (as graphed) unusually warm out over the open North Pacific ocean, far offshore, but these intense red colors can give people the misleading impression the water is about to bubble in a fast boil. And meanwhile, according to NOAA, temps just offshore of the PNW coast are still in the low/mid 50s...all the way down to Point Conception. Ouch!

image.thumb.png.6c3af7e12d3cad08ae540566703ea5d5.png

And in re the situation in Florida, the "hot tub" temps lately exploited in the media have occurred in shallow mud-outflows next to land in the Everglades/Florida Bay region during recent heatwaves there. There is no coral in these areas. The reef-tract exists roughly six miles south of the Florida Keys, and temps, though warmer than normal, do not approach those encountered in these publicized "hot tub" areas. Also, the SSTs are generally measured close to the surface and many of the corals exist 30+ feet below the surface where temps are not as variable.

Also it is not often known amongst the general public that coral bleaching is not equal to death, it is an expulsion of zooxanthellae (a type of symbiotic algae) from the coral polyps and will generally reverse when the water cools. Also where coral dies the recruitment of new coral larvae (constantly being produced throughout the Caribbean basin) acts as a constant backup. The bigger problems there right now are as-yet-undiagnosed diseases that are wiping out much of the scleractinian corals along the Florida Reef Tract (this has been going on for some time now). And one must remember that warmth is only one element in bleaching/death of coral reefs. Pollution (and related algae overgrowth) are one of the biggest threats/causes. There is a constant outflow of phosphorous and nitrogen from the Okeechobee-area agricultural areas (particularly from the governmentally protected "Big Sugar" industry) that has just about ruined Florida Bay and the Florida Keys and its patch-reefs. Much of the water-monitoring system set up some years ago have been (perhaps conveniently) shut down by the Florida legislature through budget reductions. (The Miami Herald is a good place to get a better picture of this complex and highly political situation.) And one interesting adventure in contrast is to investigate the condition of Cuba's coral reefs, which are generally renowned for their beautiful condition, by many accounts the jewel of the Caribbean. This perhaps oddly enough is attributed to Fidel Castro being a big scuba diver and obsessed with the coral reefs of Cuba, so they were--and still are--very heavily protected from pollution and human interference. 

Take a look at the SST anomalies below as of yesterday (5 August) according to NOAA. From the abnormally cold waters off most of the Central/Southern California coast, to the elevated SSTs in the Gulf/Florida/Caribbean areas, they don't compare to the anomalously high temps in the El Niño-dominated areas off the west coast of equatorial South America. This is a very big problem for the Galapagos and Ecuador and adjacent areas for a number of reasons. Not to mention that it will have quite an effect on our own weather over the next year or two, probably. And I'm certainly not a meteorologist, but one thing I learned from living in the Deep South and then the Florida Keys...that blob of warmest water in the upper Gulf of Mexico, as August wears on...keep an eye on it if it doesn't relax a bit. The upper Central Gulf Coast seems to have a propensity for hosting a storm right in the Labor Day timeframe. That's three weeks away, but if I were living in the area from Houston to Pensacola I'd start paying attention to this very soon. Also chubasco season is approaching, and there's a lot of red around lower Baja/Gulf of California...

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For whatever reason, when you screen shot SOTS's map, it does not include the " Anomaly " bar.  Weird, ..but whatever, no worries..  Regardless.. One can go there and tool around w/ it them self  ...if so inclined.  

The post from Colin states the anomalies pretty well  ..From NOAA..  If anyone wants to contact and discuss their thoughts about those / any other anomalies with their scientists, ...or the folks from Scripts,   Please do,   My only request is to be a fly on a wall, w/ a bag of popcorn  ...or something else,  since Popcorn and i don't always agree..  during that discussion. .

As far as the Florida situation ..I'll trust the researchers ...and what they have been showing.  I'm sure they're already very well versed in all the factors involved in such events.   Any attempt to make what looks to be occurring sound less significant or serious than what it may be..  doesn't work in reality.    Any diseases which are impacting the reefs is likely being exacerbated by whatever level of warming that is occurring ...on a more constant in recent times scale,  ...just like insect outbreaks that attack heat, water, and drought stressed forests / our Saguaros .  More stressors, = more disease susceptibility.

The pollution aspect is bad for sure, as it is everywhere atm ..It will screech to a hault when big Ag and its scare tactics are  kicked to the curb alike an obnoxious bar fly.

I wish we'd do what Cuba did to protect our reefs  ..and, ...maybe taking it a step further than they might have  ...-or not-  our overall environment,  and everything  in it.  No more mines, no more drillin for goo. Less fertilizer / much stricter regulations on it  ..for everyone..  Progress, ...not regress or Status Quo.  Hopefully soon enough my Nieces and Nephew ..and/ or their kids, ..if any of them have any  will be able to say of such things ... " That was soo yesterday " 


As far as the other situation in that state.. W/ out going any  further,   i'll just say  ....i'm glad i'm not there..   I'd crawl west on my belly through Poison Oak, wind driven Manchineel " downpours ",  and angry Rattlesnakes, if i had to  if so.  I'll hang out w/ the locals and fellow visitors in Baja ..and / or Sonora / Sinaloa if hankerin for somethin " exotic ".


Needless to say ...I'm speechless-ly  disappointed with what nonsense is happening there,  and will be on the front lines to keep that stuff from advancing west.

I do not like constantly being concerned about the welfare of some very amazing people,  of very diverse backgrounds and lifestyles  who may not be able to find peace and / or saftey there atm. 

No more needs to be said on that..

 

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6 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

For whatever reason, when you screen shot SOTS's map, it does not include the " Anomaly " bar.  Weird, ..but whatever, no worries..  Regardless.. One can go there and tool around w/ it them self  ...if so inclined.  

The post from Colin states the anomalies pretty well  ..From NOAA..  If anyone wants to contact and discuss their thoughts about those / any other anomalies with their scientists, ...or the folks from Scripts,   Please do,   My only request is to be a fly on a wall, w/ a bag of popcorn  ...or something else,  since Popcorn and i don't always agree..  during that discussion. .

As far as the Florida situation ..I'll trust the researchers ...and what they have been showing.  I'm sure they're already very well versed in all the factors involved in such events.   Any attempt to make what looks to be occurring sound less significant or serious than what it may be..  doesn't work in reality.    Any diseases which are impacting the reefs is likely being exacerbated by whatever level of warming that is occurring ...on a more constant in recent times scale,  ...just like insect outbreaks that attack heat, water, and drought stressed forests / our Saguaros .  More stressors, = more disease susceptibility.

The pollution aspect is bad for sure, as it is everywhere atm ..It will screech to a hault when big Ag and its scare tactics are  kicked to the curb alike an obnoxious bar fly.

I wish we'd do what Cuba did to protect our reefs  ..and, ...maybe taking it a step further than they might have  ...-or not-  our overall environment,  and everything  in it.  No more mines, no more drillin for goo. Less fertilizer / much stricter regulations on it  ..for everyone..  Progress, ...not regress or Status Quo.  Hopefully soon enough my Nieces and Nephew ..and/ or their kids, ..if any of them have any  will be able to say of such things ... " That was soo yesterday " 


As far as the other situation in that state.. W/ out going any  further,   i'll just say  ....i'm glad i'm not there..   I'd crawl west on my belly through Poison Oak, wind driven Manchineel " downpours ",  and angry Rattlesnakes, if i had to  if so.  I'll hang out w/ the locals and fellow visitors in Baja ..and / or Sonora / Sinaloa if hankerin for somethin " exotic ".


Needless to say ...I'm speechless-ly  disappointed with what nonsense is happening there,  and will be on the front lines to keep that stuff from advancing west.

I do not like constantly being concerned about the welfare of some very amazing people,  of very diverse backgrounds and lifestyles  who may not be able to find peace and / or saftey there atm. 

No more needs to be said on that..

 

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to minimize or make the situation seem less significant or serious than what it may be...but rather to point out that there is a very complex set of problems in a complex ecosystem, and many news organizations (which we have to remember are with few exceptions profit-based businesses, and not public services) have in their never-ending attempts to make headline click-bait, jumped on the "hot tub" 100F temps recorded in the land-adjacent muddy shallows of Florida Bay and in the same sentence or headline imply that the scleractinian corals miles away on the reef are experiencing those extreme temperatures, which is far from the truth. Bleaching is of course a major and recurring problem, but there are, as you note as well, no doubt many stressors adding up to a problem. One example is that there was also a lot of sedimentation that smothered large areas of the reef in Irma, and a NOAA post-storm analysis stated "Heavy sedimentation and lingering turbidity slowed recovery and exacerbated preexisting conditions such as coral disease and bleaching." Add to that the more recent debacle with the shoddy sewer system installed in the Keys, in which tremendous amounts of raw sewage have been released into the waters surrounding the Keys. 

Ultimately, there is a redistribution of dominant species when the temperatures change significantly in the long term, also due to disease or when nutrient levels rise consistently to allow algae to smother the reef...and that means that it is a great time for surgeonfish, hermit crabs and urchins lately, no doubt also for sponges and other filter-feeders...not so great for the scleractinians. The Florida Reef Tract, particularly those areas adjacent to the heavily populated/touristed Florida Keys, has been fairly and progressively more "unimpressive" for many years and decades now. This I have been assured of by experienced long-term divers and marine biologists I got to know there, and there are many anecdotal reports from people who had casually dived the reefs in the '50s or '60s as teenagers or young adults and then again recently, absolutely shocked at the changes that have occurred in less than a lifetime. My point about the Cuban reefs (and they may have been experiencing some heat-related bleaching recently as well, I haven't seen anything in that regard) is that in a more comprehensive context of reef-health, within the short distance from Florida to Cuba and in the same body of water, one can go from an unhealthy reef to an extremely healthy one. And where there's smoke, there's usually fire...

Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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many news organizations (which we have to remember are with few exceptions profit-based businesses, and not public services) have in their never-ending attempts to make headline click-bait, jumped on the "hot tub" 100F temps recorded in the land-adjacent muddy shallows of Florida Bay and in the same sentence or headline imply that the scleractinian corals miles away on the reef are experiencing those extreme temperatures, which is far from the truth.

Some may have for sure.. But,  let's not forget that in any ecosystem, really fragile ones esp,  what effects one thing, will  ...not may...  effect other things ..to X extent at least,  at some point.  The article below touches on what appears to be some domino effects being observed,  and i myself wouldn't assume it is just more " media hype " trying to generate clicks.. 

As mentioned before, anyone w/ questions related to the content of the article can contact the researcher(s) mentioned in it..  Be glad to hear what they discuss with those curious.

https://phys.org/news/2023-08-florida-corals-hotter-thought-scientists.html

While i'm definitely no expert on reefs ..out in the ocean,  i have had aquariums, and have known many people who raised Corals.. One thing they explained to me each time i inquired was that ..aside from monitoring things like the salt / chemical, and clarity content / condition of the water, you have to keep a close eye on temperature..  As much as i'd love to have my own reef tanks ..on every wall in my house, these requirements are one big reason i'll glue my eyes to remarkable setups elsewhere..  In the hands of someone with the time and detailed dedication to care for them properly..  A talent i can respect a touch more than a plant expert growing rare alpines in a greenhouse, in the middle of the desert.

In KS, one of our bar's well known highlights were the two reef tanks we had in our lounge. One of our lead bar tenders was their care taker.. Every week he was changing out water, checking it's chemistry, etc... If the power went out, particularly during the summer, he was carefully watching the temp reading of the tanks and, as others before him who i had talked to about it referenced, further explained his concern.. Water temps in the tanks get too hot, stuff can start dying..   It's one thing to lose Zebra Danios and Tetras after they knock out their heater in a frenzy during an earthquake ( One of my tanks during the '89 Quake ) ,  ..It's another thing to loose hundreds ..or thousands of dollars worth of ..often hard to find aquarium specimens.

Yes, like any other group of organisms, there are particular species of corals that can ..and do..  tolerate hotter waters / not as " optimal " overall environmental conditions, which, to some degree, could fill the niches left open when the less tolerant corals are killed off ...or shift to cooler waters outright..  That said, ..i don't think that there are enough of those sps to save large areas of reefs from collapsing.  Hopefully i'm wrong..

As mentioned, while my reef knowledge is fairly new leaf green,  i do fully understand how warmer than normal waters can -and do- effect things along and off the coast of California... and won't casually assume that news of a -potentially significant- marine heatwave is just more doom n' gloom " hype "..  

Even at 3C / 6deg F, if true,  such above avg. SST anomalies lurking just outside near coastal waters isn't something to be taken lightly ...especially if there is a real possibility it may nuzzle up to the coast, then stick around for a given period of time.. 

In the long run, ..yes, we'll likely have to get used to seeing things along our coasts shift around -possibly quite a bit-  and adjust to those changes.  It is already happening.

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Interesting study on how the Hunga Tonga submarine volcanic eruption in the Pacific Ocean is to blame for much of the sudden rise in global surface temperatures.  Typically an eruption cools but the eruption was under water and released 40 trillion gallons of water vapor (could be as high as 100 trillion) into the atmosphere which has a warming effect.  Supposedly it's going have a lasting effect for another 3=7 years.   😮

 

https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1688751117855842304

 

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Here's the study:

Long-term surface impact of Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai-like stratospheric water vapor injection

 

I didn't want to embed the pdf

 

 

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Interesting study on how the Hunga Tonga submarine volcanic eruption in the Pacific Ocean is to blame for much of the sudden rise in global surface temperatures.  Typically an eruption cools but the eruption was under water and released 40 trillion gallons of water vapor (could be as high as 100 trillion) into the atmosphere which has a warming effect.  Supposedly it's going have a lasting effect for another 3=7 years.   😮

 

https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1688751117855842304

 

image.thumb.png.aecb96d884c2623c275cc46e56d3a0a1.png

 

Here's the study:

Long-term surface impact of Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai-like stratospheric water vapor injection

 

I didn't want to embed the pdf

 

 

Ha, I figured this would appear sooner or later...   ..Despite all these supposed, sudden " studies ", there is not any current concrete proof  that the eruption is  the  main player influencing land temps / SSTs around the globe..

Play a part? ..uh, yeah, all Volcanic eruptions sure will.  How much?  I'll wait for the longer term,  and well disciplined studies to be done / completed  to begin drawing any conclusions from..

Regardless, even if the eruption is playing a sizable part Now... things are still on course to continue warming long After  the effects of the eruption have worked themselves out of the atmosphere. If anything, the eruption could have " kicked up the heat a few notches "  and will then be the baseline of the future.. 

Overall, what warming is occurring on land and sea has been occurring for decades.. It didn't just suddenly appear, out of thin air,.. already amped in high gear,  after the eruption.




On a side note:   info from that twitter dude?  Him and ..Joe  " Everything is gonna freeze, all winter, everywhere, every winter " Absurdi " = absolute 🤡 show, gobs of extra-gooey makeup included.   

Anytime i have looked at their pages, it is strictly to get a laugh out of whatever " pulled from thin air " " Angry at the clouds " old dewd issue they are whipping themselves into a sweaty frenzy over that day..   Strictly Entertainment Twitter Pages, nothing all the relevant 98% of the time at least.   Sad and disappointing turn for Joe.  Expected from " the crossed arms frat-ish guy ".

Ryan is the kind of dude who'd probably spend a year whining about someone feeding a dog " Human " food, let alone preparing human food ingredients for ..a Dog..   ...instead of feeding it artificially colored, horribly processed, dry " Dog Chow ". 

Not a peep extra needs to be added on that... :)

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