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Do any Australians (or people who visited Australia) on the forum have any pictures of some Australian palms in habitat? I know there are scattered pictures around the forum but I thought I should make a thread specifically about them. Please post your pictures if you have any. Also, what are the cold hardiest Australian palms? 

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OK, I'll bite!

I have seen a lot of Oz palms in habitat over the years, and probably most of the photos have been posted in other threads on this forum, but I think this is a good idea...maybe we should do it for other areas as well?

I'll start with the closest species to me...these are about 10-15 mins from home...Archontophoenix cunninghamiana

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Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

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Here's another growing in the same forest... Calamus muelleri

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Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

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From a bit further up the coast...about a seven hour drive...

Livistona fulva

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Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

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Mike Merritt

Big Island of Hawaii, windward, rainy side, 740 feet (225 meters) elevation

165 inches (4,200 mm) of rain per year, 66 to 83 deg F (20 to 28 deg C) in summer, 62 to 80 deg F (16.7 to 26.7 Deg C) in winter.

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Mike Merritt

Big Island of Hawaii, windward, rainy side, 740 feet (225 meters) elevation

165 inches (4,200 mm) of rain per year, 66 to 83 deg F (20 to 28 deg C) in summer, 62 to 80 deg F (16.7 to 26.7 Deg C) in winter.

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Mike Merritt

Big Island of Hawaii, windward, rainy side, 740 feet (225 meters) elevation

165 inches (4,200 mm) of rain per year, 66 to 83 deg F (20 to 28 deg C) in summer, 62 to 80 deg F (16.7 to 26.7 Deg C) in winter.

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Here's a few pics of Hydriastele Ramsayi  ( Gronophylum Ramsayi ) taken near Annersley Point, NT

 

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11 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Livistona alfredii:

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Millstream area has a series of permanent waterholes on the Fortesque River in an otherwise hot, harsh  arid environment. The old original station homestead is Heritage Listed and the springs and waterholes were used to irrigate vegetable gardens. It really was an oasis in the desert withthe property being an important supply stop for overland cameleers. The Afgan camel transport folk planted hundreds of Date Palms around the springs 100 years ago .... they have naturalized there now and the National Parks authorities are beginning a process to eradicate them.... shame really as I think the stands are also part of the historical heritage of the area.

 

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I agree. Those dates should all be heritage listed. They will not grow away from the water and the reason I heard for the eradication (they'll take over all the natural habitat for Livistona alfredii and take over all the remaining bushland) is just ludicrous. That area is so arid anything green should be welcomed. I don't see any plans to grow and plant more Livistona alfredii there. I think it's just a few palm haters in DEC ( I think they've changed their name now- yet again) that just want to get a chainsaw out and cut something down and get paid for it because they can. No real science or studies being done on it that I can see.

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Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Dont even get me started on the culturally inappropriate comment the authorities have made. If they are part of the heritage of the area they should be kept and preserved. Every group migrated to this continent from somewhere else at some point.  

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Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Livistona Victoriae .....Endemic to the escarpment country of the Northern Territory's Victoris River district, also near the Bungle Bungle Ranges over the border in the WA Kimberley district.

Notes /- Pic no 1 by Michael Schwab, the other two my pics taken Dec 2012.

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Pal Meir said:

Livistona inermis:

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Yes these are locally common along the Stuart Highway north of Katherine towards Pine Creek.

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2 hours ago, greysrigging said:

Yes these are locally common along the Stuart Highway north of Katherine towards Pine Creek.

Thats a really nice drive along that piece of road.

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Why I thought it would be cool to have Lawyer Cane Vine in my back yard I will never know ( Calamus Australis  ) The Australian Calamus are a truly evil palm, Known locally as wait-a-while because once you get caught up in its vicious tendrils you will have to wait a while to untangle yourself. The one in my yard is almost sentient as I firmly believe it knows when i am about to walk past and it reaches out and draws blood on every occasion....

Wish I had not planted the mongrel thing.... too late now but, 28 years later is is firmly ensconced in the canopy of my backyard rain forest.

Darwin and of course my back yard is not its native habitat but I'm sure we all the get the drift of its evil disposition..... native to the rain forests of Eastern and Northern Queensland.

 

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From my other recent thread, but it belongs here too, this is a habitat shot. Livistona Australis in one of its natural environments.

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Cheers Steve

It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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Livistona Rigida at Lawn Hill, Far North West Queensland. A hot dry arid environment, but the springs are a source of permanent water in a desolate landscape.

 

 

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Young Livistona Australis at Mt Keira in the Illawarra Ranges above Wollongong, NSW. The summit rises 464m ( 1522' ) above the coastal plain and although once heavily logged, it has substantial regrowth and areas of temperate rainforest. Many of the surrounding cleared paddocks have several solitary tall palms that were obviously left standing by the early settlers.

 

 

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Here are a couple of pics of the habit that Carpentaria and Hydriastele Wendlandiana are found. Florence Falls in Litchfield park about 160klm south west of Darwin.

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10 hours ago, greysrigging said:

Here are a couple of pics of the habit that Carpentaria and Hydriastele Wendlandiana are found. Florence Falls in Litchfield park about 160klm south west of Darwin.

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I loved that place. Really hot and humid too. Was there in Nov 2013. Just loved the Hydriasteles and the Carpies. Can't grow either now. :(

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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No, a bit too 'tropical' for Albany, WA  methinks..... November is pretty brutal out in Litchfield....

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10 hours ago, greysrigging said:

No, a bit too 'tropical' for Albany, WA  methinks..... November is pretty brutal out in Litchfield....

Nah, gotta move to at least the warm subtropics to grow H wendlandianna. 

I loved the heat. We managed to get involved with a few mega thunderstorms when we were up that way. Just loved it.

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Holmes Jungle is a Nature Reserve only 2klm ( mile and a bit ) from suburban Darwin, and about 4klm my house in Leanyer. Its a remnant piece of Monsoon Vine Forest that has permanent spring fed water, a real bonus in our extreme monsoonal wet/dry climate. The area itself has only received Government protection in the last 20 years or so.... I can remember shooting a large feral boar there 30 years ago, having fish traps for Barramundi on the creek and 4WDriving through the jungle with scant regard for the environment back in the day. During WW2 there was a Convalescence Hospital in the area and there are still artifacts ( bush treasure / junk ) to be found in the jungle. Nowadays it is a haven for those of us who enjoy the flora and fauna of the Top End of the Northern Territory.

Holmes Jungle is home to huge stands of the Top End native Carpies and Livistonas....... Benthamii near the permanent water and Humilis higher up on the rocky hills, although some Humilis do grow close to the edge of the jungle. But not in shade, Humilis are sun lovers, and do not grow/thrive in shade. Carpentarias form pure stands to the exclusion of other palm species in the deep shady areas of the jungle. In cultivation Carpentarias can take full sun or shade, and grow extremely fast searching for the sun. 

Today I discovered several Ptychosperma Macarthurii plants growing on the edge of the Jungle. I regard these plants as exotic escapees from the suburbs, not native to Holmes Jungle. Recently, new taxonomy has said that Macarthurii is native to the Top End, at a site called Black Jungle about 40klm south of Darwin. These palms were formally called Ptychosperma Blesserii, and were only found at Black Jungle. Now regarded as Macarthurii. Local birds and bats love Macarthurii seeds, so many of the exotic Elegans and Macarthurii  ( from Queensland ) seeds are making their way into the local Vine forests. I was glad to note that the weed of a palm, clumping fishtail Caryota Mitis has not invaded the Holmes Jungle wetlands.  ( unlike my backyard where the bloody things sprout by the thousands....)

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The Outback starts only 2 miles from Darwin suburbs

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Screw Palms ( Pandanus ) in the distance. Never to be disturbed as this is a post WW2 bombing range so has unexploded ordinance out there.... )

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Benthamii habitat

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Carpy and Benthamii habitat, Holmes jungle, Darwin.

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Livistona Humilis up on higher dry ground ( 150' ) from the spring fed jungle habitat of the Carpies and benthamii

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Pandanus indicates seasonally wet ground.

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Livistona Benthamii following a creek line at Holmes Jungle, Darwin

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Humilis juveniles on the edge of Holmes Jungle.

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Young Benthamii, Holmes Jungle, Darwin.

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Sadly, fires sometimes encroach on the edge of the Jungle..... Carpentarias, unlike the Top End Livistonas, are susceptible to fires.... there ones appear to be toast ( no pun intended ). This fire appears to be the result of an escaped bbq/campfire.

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Carpentaria seedlings showing the typical bi-pinnate fronds of early germination.

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Pandanus can handle the seasonal dry season fires in the Top End.

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An exotic Macarthurii in Holmes Jungle.

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Young Carpentarias Holmes Jungle.

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The Jungle showing a bit of damage from the Tropical Cyclone back in March.

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A felled tree sprouting... gotta love mother nature !

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Carpentaria seedlings showing a bit of sunburn after the jungle canopy suffered damage due to Cyclone Marcus, March 2018

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Carpentaria Acuminata natural habitat, Holmes Jungle, Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia.

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My youngest son and I went out exploring in the wilds of Litchfield Park, South West of Darwin today..... a lazy 450klm  (  280 mile ) round trip which included the Reynolds River Track and then random wheel tracks off the Daly River Road looking for relatively unknown thermal springs out that way..
These pics are of an un named and un publicized waterfall and plunge pool at the base of the Tabletop Ranges ( close to the old historic Blyth Homestead.
One can tell the spot is rarely if ever visited simply by the lack of empty beer cans and general rubbish. There is no walking track in to the spot, and I can assure you, it is a tough hike for an old unfit 62 year old Territory boozehound on a 100f October 'build up' type day. About a 40 minute walk in  following the creek, and in large sections actually walking in the creek, as the Riparian bush is so thick and and rear impenetrable.
But absolutely worth every scratch, twisted ankle, March Fly bite, sunburn, green ant nest infested branch, spider web around the face ( the spiders weave a web across the creek ! ).
The flora and fauna in these undisturbed Top End riparian habitats is something to behold.
There are 3 species of palm found in Litchfield.... The Sand Palm ( Livistona humilis ), the Carpy ( Carpentaria acuminata ) and the Florence Falls palm (  Hydriastele wendlandiana )
I didn't spot any Florence palms here, although my son pointed out a distant clump that were on closer inspection indeed wendlandiana. 
Other plant species seen were various Top End ferns, and the sought after native Epipremnum ampllissimum ( similar to the related Devils Ivy Epipremnum aureum ).
The plunge pool looks sorta 'croccy',  so as usual the son enters the water first before Dad.  The water is crystal clear and there are some big Sooty Grunter in there ( a fun fish to catch on light gear, edible for sure, but only if one cant catch a Barramundi. 
After a 40 minute hike, the plunge pool is a welcome place to cool off......
Livistona humilis ( sand palm )
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Carpentarias on the edge of the Riparian forest

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No idea what it is or why I took the pic...lol....wait, yes I do... the moss...haha
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Deeper into the riparian forest

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Epripremnum amplissimim in habitat.
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Tough terrain hiking upstream.

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A nice native fern....
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I told the son to wait until I had sucked the beer gut in..... nope....
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A Carpy reaching for the sky....
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A magic spot.... pretty well untouched by humans ( ie no litter/rubbish found )
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I climbed up a bit, investigated some fern filled caves, jumped off from height ( no way can I let my son call me a wuss in these situations.... haha )
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Mate.... I said wait until I suck the beer gut in.... I'm tryin' to attract women.....hahaha
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So my son took a few of his mates out here 3 weeks ago
The walk in nearly done 'em in ( the youth of today are 'soft') The girls  ( and some fellas ) whinged like all get out... until the arrived at the swimming spot !
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I took a walk through Holmes Jungle ( only a couple of miles from home close to our local Tip/Dump ) on Friday. Was saddened to see another bushfire has burnt through parts of the Nature Reserve.  The reserve is home to the largest natural stands of Carpentaria acuminata in the Darwin area. I have put up pics previously on this thread, taken 2 years ago and after the severe Cyclone Marcus. Half of the walk is still closed ( as it was in Sept 2018 ), with signage saying 'Closed for habitat regeneration' . Except us local know the real reason is no Govt funding available to pay for repairs to pathways, boardwalks and removal of fallen trees. A real shame as it is an otherwise lovely spot despite the sounds of suburbia and a major 4 lane arterial road a mile or so away.
The recent fire has burnt through a large stand of Livistona benthamii, they're not looking real good atm. I hope the impending rainy season brings them back to life.
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As mentioned previously, with suburbia so close by, there are a few exotics in the Reserve.....these things are a real pest species in Darwin, our birds, bats and rats spread the seeds.
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Not to mention the Rangoon Creeper...ok, nice scented flowers, but out of place in the Top End bush.
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And even in here, near the spring fed creek, one has to be careful.....
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Deep inside the riparian forest, the sun barely reaches the floor.
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And, look at the trunk of this old Carpy ?
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more jungle
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Walking to the edge of the forest where the fires have impacted recently...
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Hope you enjoyed the walk....!
 

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