Any others growing this Dypsis Ankaizinensis ?

[JubaeaMan138]

Picked this guy up few weeks ago anyone else growing this ? 

[JubaeaMan138]

[JubaeaMan138]

15 gallon size 

[knell]

i thought the last sighting of D. ankaizinensis was almost 100 years ago...? did i miss the rediscovery in habitat?

[JubaeaMan138]

???? Not sure that's what this one was sold as . I know they are in the madagascariensis complex 

[knell]

wow! that would be awesome if its the real deal, now that i reread the source it is supposedly common on Mt. Tsaratanana but hasnt been collected in a good long time, i must have missed the recent one if that is the case

[richnorm]

20 hours ago, knell said:

i thought the last sighting of D. ankaizinensis was almost 100 years ago...? did i miss the rediscovery in habitat?

You sure you haven't got one?

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/18150-mystery-dypsis/&page=2

[Moose]

Only thing I am sure of is that is a monster heel (saxophone root).

Also it's living in a container has run it's course. Get It in the ground!   

[JubaeaMan138]

Yeah I know just trying to find the right spot. Will it stay a double or will it continue to clump? I'm waiting to see some pictures of others. This one has a really nice light pink color on the new emerging spear 

[quaman58]

I got one of these labeled as such years ago & had no luck; it just seemed to want more heat than I could provide. It was pretty, having a nice plum colored “push”, but seemed very madagascariensis-like. I also remember reading that it hadn’t been seen in 100 odd years in habitat, so I’ve always been skeptical of what we’re actually growing.

[DoomsDave]

Chris, that looks like an ankie all right.

I had a bunch when I first moved into the Death Camp and for them it was; all died when planted in the clay, which I think is the problem.

[DoomsDave]

On 6/4/2018, 5:58:36, JubaeaMan138 said:

15 gallon size 

Give it good drainage!

[knell]

On 6/5/2018, 1:03:21, richnorm said:

You sure you haven't got one?

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/18150-mystery-dypsis/&page=2

are you suggesting that ‘honkona’ is the same thing as ankaizinensis? unlikely, it doesnt match the book description at all

[richnorm]

1 hour ago, knell said:

are you suggesting that ‘honkona’ is the same thing as ankaizinensis? unlikely, it doesnt match the book description at all

Wouldn't go that far but you have a fruiting tree so the comparison could be made in detail to PoM to identify similarities and differences.   I don't have PoM to hand but from memory there are some similarities like size and leaf form and Honkona is actually quite variable.  The reason for my interest is that Honkona came into cultivation as Dypsis Tsaratananensis and Dypsis ankaizinenesis comes from  Mt Tsaratanana which has not been surveyed by palm botanists for nearly a century.

[Josh-O]

On 6/5/2018, 5:19:36, Moose said:

Only thing I am sure of is that is a monster heel (saxophone root).

Also it's living in a container has run it's course. Get It in the ground!   

excellent point Moose!!! big heeled palms stuck in containers for long time(years) will most likely be stunted

[knell]

3 hours ago, richnorm said:

Wouldn't go that far but you have a fruiting tree so the comparison could be made in detail to PoM to identify similarities and differences.   I don't have PoM to hand but from memory there are some similarities like size and leaf form and Honkona is actually quite variable.  The reason for my interest is that Honkona came into cultivation as Dypsis Tsaratananensis and Dypsis ankaizinenesis comes from  Mt Tsaratanana which has not been surveyed by palm botanists for nearly a century.

Wow, thank you for this info! I had never thought of that connection before, and dont know the history of honkona... i didnt even know the difference between a coconut and a date when it first came into cultivation haha

i will investigate further, but i had initially dismissed the connection because the description mentions a green crownshaft with square shoulders, which doesnt sound like honkona... maybe the indument rubbed off in the collection/preservation process?

[richnorm]

9 minutes ago, knell said:

Wow, thank you for this info! I had never thought of that connection before, and dont know the history of honkona... i didnt even know the difference between a coconut and a date when it first came into cultivation haha

i will investigate further, but i had initially dismissed the connection because the description mentions a green crownshaft with square shoulders, which doesnt sound like honkona... maybe the indument rubbed off in the collection/preservation process?

Thanks, very much appreciated.  It's probably either a new species or a long lost one so pretty cool whichever way!

Colour varies a lot eg some have lots of white, some red and some green.   Flowers (colour and stamen count), inflorescence structure and fruit (size, shape and endosperrm) are more important but the original description and material were possibly not that great.  Can be next to impossible for us amateurs!    Seems even common species often fail to match the botanical description in some regards due to variation so identification more a matter of balance of probability sometimes.

[JubaeaMan138]

This plant was definetly not root bound in the pot. It had for sure pulled itself down deep in the pot. I repotted it in the same pot just pulled it out was able to to fill the bottomnhalf of the 15 gallon pot with soil and set the root ball right on top and back fill the rest of the pot it is in now. This guy should do great once I find the proper spot for it . Is it possible this plant will continue to produce more stems? Trying to figure out how much room this plant needs . 

[BS Man about Palms]

I know Matt P. had one.

[MattyB]

2 hours ago, BS Man about Palms said:

I know Matt P. had one.

It was me.  And now it's fruiting.  I'll post pics.....

[MattyB]

Here's what I'm growing as D. ankaizinensis.  Looked like D. mad complex when young but never went plumose.  Kinda looks like a robust D. pembana with a triangular crownshaft.  I'm not sure if it's real deal or not.

 

[MattyB]

Here's what mine looked like when it was younger, back in 2011.  Kinda looked like madagascarensis but just not plumose.  Does cabadae look like this?

  I know Len had one of these too.

Edited June 7, 2018 by MattyB

[knell]

22 hours ago, richnorm said:

Thanks, very much appreciated.  It's probably either a new species or a long lost one so pretty cool whichever way!

Colour varies a lot eg some have lots of white, some red and some green.   Flowers (colour and stamen count), inflorescence structure and fruit (size, shape and endosperrm) are more important but the original description and material were possibly not that great.  Can be next to impossible for us amateurs!    Seems even common species often fail to match the botanical description in some regards due to variation so identification more a matter of balance of probability sometimes.

i needed to hear this! wise words, thank you 

@MattyB seriously good photos, thank you! i can see the ‘square shoulders’ in that one for sure!

Edited June 8, 2018 by knell

[quaman58]

I'm pretty sure I have the same palm as Matty, purchased from a backyard grower as a no name Dypsis. It is also very fast & does look like it's possibly some sort of pembana cross. But not the same palm as I'd purchased years before as ankaizinensis. That palm more closely resembled something more like one of the betafakas or as mentioned previously, madagascariensis types when young, having irregular leaflets from the get go.

[MattyB]

Is there any chance that mine is D. cabadae?  I don't see those in SoCal so I don't know.

[quaman58]

Matty, I've posted mine a couple of times & one response I get from folks is cabadae crossed with pembana or visa versa. Possible I guess, but it seems like it wouldn't be so cold tolerant with those parents. I've tried straight cabadae before from Floribunda a couple of times & they grow beautifully until winter at which time they die quickly. So, still a bit of a mystery to me.

[JubaeaMan138]

Quaman58 do you have any pictures of your ankaizinensis ?

[BS Man about Palms]

On 6/7/2018, 11:29:40, MattyB said:

It was me.  And now it's fruiting.  I'll post pics.....

I have one like that... IIRC Matt P. had the plumose version..

[quaman58]

12 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

Quaman58 do you have any pictures of your ankaizinensis ?

It looks like a knock off of Matty’s. It’s also got a sucker about 4 foot tall coming off the base. But not the palm I’d purchased & killed of ankaiinensis. Yours does look like the one I used to have.

[quaman58]

[MattyB]

Yours doesn't look quite as triangular but very similar

[JubaeaMan138]

Decided to drop this guy in the ground after all this heat it pretty much has been in the pot in full day sun and suffered some burn on the older leaves but pushed open a couple new ones which weren’t bothered and a few more new ones are coming right behind. Now to get the big Malcomberi and Prestoniana in the ground 

[quaman58]

For what it's worth, the larger palm I posted above was really whacked by a Feb. 2020 freeze and just never grew normally again. I gave it a year & a half to try and recover, but finally took a chainsaw to it last weekend. The sucker is now way overhead and growing fine..