Concern for Leilani Estates as lava moves eastward underground

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I've been looking through Ken Boyers photo album of his Paradise Helicopter ride and honestly never knew that there were so many homes down in lower Puna from the PGV plant and southeast. I'm viewing this on a 17in Macbook Pro using the full screen and have the fb window pulled sideways even further than fits on the computer screen so I can see more of the image and the clarity of the images Ken took is excellent (he's professional photographer), however I wish I was viewing these on even a larger desktop screen. Sometimes I can make out things I see like the Community Center and its cell tower, the PGV plant which helps orient me to locate Pohoiki Road, Kuhakai. I wanted to see if Victor's house (pig house) was visible but can't tell. I know it backs up to the lava lake. I can definitely see where the lava was coming across Kahukai near Kapupili and a house on fire. Wonder if that's Scott's friend Manuel's place. I wonder what will happen to the kipukas where homes or farms are still on that section. How in the world do you get there. Some are rather large pieces of land. I can see why the structure count jumped the other day and looking at the photos you can see so many homes are right next to red lava.

Hey I just found Victor's house (pig house) and it was still untouched in the photo. Actually there are a number of shots of his immediate area. Man those fissures are something else over there. I can see where it's possible that his house and a few other neighbors next to and across from him might survive. Not sure how you'd get there though. And I'm seeing a few closeups of the corner lot on Kapuili at Kahukai and see the fence of the second house shown in Scott's video so the corner house was lost too. I'm really kind of in shock as to how much land this is covering.

If you have a home in the affect area, check the photos out. 

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More updates on Mileka Lincoln's fb page to report. https://www.facebook.com/pg/milekalincoln.hnn/posts/?ref=page_internal

There's a post 3:45pm HST (6:45pm PDT) with video from Domonic Jones. Footage decribed as from Kahukai to the direction of Kapoho. Flow is est. at 200 ft from Pohoiki south of the Y-interchange and NE of Leilani Ave and heading toward PGV. "Hawaiʻi County Civil Defense Agency officials have just confirmed it has since crossed the road. According to steepest lines of descent topography maps, experts believe the flow in this area should start turning towards the north and possibly make its way to Highway 132 if it's has enough volume. Civil Defense crews in the field are helping people evacuate and prepare for the possibility Highway 132 will be cut off. At this point, they say that’s a mile away and it could take time to cover that much ground at the current speed it’s moving."

The post from 12:15 pm HST has some interesting info I hadn't see in the USGS Alert unless I missed it. The post says "USGS HVO confirms there are still two ocean entry points. The one further to the west looks like it has started to tube over. The surface of the channel is crusting over. The cooling is starting to close itself in. Scientists in the field noticed blockage in the flow from fissure 6 and 21n— they describe that it’s sort of building itself up and forming a roof over the flow. If that happens it could keep the flow in one location." That would be good news. F6 is at the SE corner by Kahukai/Leilani/Pohoiki and F21 is in the middle of the large flow in LE.

 

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Watching what was a Live Video feed on FB Lava News (Travis Sanders). 10:30 min. long.  Posted now 1 hour ago. It says at the top "The lava is burning the neighbors of Lava Ocean Tours. It's going to cross Pohoiki Road tonight again." Not the best video quality but watching it now. https://www.facebook.com/pg/lavanews/videos/?ref=page_internal

It's Travis' voice. He's up on the roof of the warehouse he's at and said he's pretty sure they'll get burned out too.  This was something I heard him express in a previous video should the lava head that way. He says he's looking out at Leilani Estates from Pohoiki Road. Basically the first driveway. Right by the hot dog stand.

He can see fissures on occasion. He points out the a'a flow that's approaching. They've been busy evacuating the neighbor today. Said it burned down Kent Andersen's container home after they were able to evacuate more of his things, and it probably got his neighbors house. Civil Defense let them in to the area to evacuate things. He points out Shane's (Lava Ocean Tours) house next door. Said Shane's been out on the boat and family and friends have been helping with the move. He thinks there's a possiblity that they may have some time tomorrow to evac more out. Said they'll have resperators for those helping. Travis seems like such a nice guy. I've enjoyed his videos. 

He points out a Geothermal air testing station on the property which he said has been helpful as they can see online live what the air quality is. He adds that they got the chickens out from Kent's house. He sees alot of black smoke so there's more houses getting burned. 

Very sorry to hear these guys are in a bad way right now.

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Thanks for the updates, Debbie. Since I'm "on the road" I'm not able to quite keep up with this, but if the "pig house" is the house on the north side of Kahukai (and the second house before what used to be the Kahukai/Leilani intersection), then that house is not likely to get burned down any time soon, if ever. It's located on the highest point there and would likely remain as a kipuka.

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4 minutes ago, bgl said:

Thanks for the updates, Debbie. Since I'm "on the road" I'm not able to quite keep up with this, but if the "pig house" is the house on the north side of Kahukai (and the second house before what used to be the Kahukai/Leilani intersection), then that house is not likely to get burned down any time soon, if ever. It's located on the highest point there and would likely remain as a kipuka.

Yes, Scott has said that and I think in the interview that was done with Victor, he said that too. Believe he said he was sitting on an old cinder cone. Honestly I'd never know that looking at the videos I've seen. I will say looking out at the cones right next to him, he'll have "hilly" company. 

Hey hope you're enjoying yourself right now!

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7 hours ago, Keith in SoJax said:

Here’s something to consider:  nurseries use lava/cinders as growing media.  They ship the plants all over the world.  

Now I it makes sense why I killed all those palms! The curse of Pele? :bemused:

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Quick edit/addition to my comment above - needless to say, this only applies if there are no more fissures opening up closer to that house. That would instantly change the scenario dramatically.

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Bo I think that's F6 there and if so the info in Mileka's post mentioned above could be good news. I've been concerned for the neighborhood, well the whole area right there, should the lava berm in the lake areas have a breakout. If you look back today there was one in LE that traveled a bit west, fortunately it was sluggish and didn't go far.

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6 minutes ago, Moose said:

Now I it makes sense why I killed all those palms! The curse of Pele? :bemused:

Moose does that count against you if the lava came from some place other than Hawaii?

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12 minutes ago, Moose said:

Now I it makes sense why I killed all those palms! The curse of Pele? :bemused:

 

5 minutes ago, WestCoastGal said:

Moose does that count against you if the lava came from some place other than Hawaii?

It's easier for my ego to accept that I sent many a palm to the Compost Pile of Doom :violin: because of the wrath of Pele. :D

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Live feed from Fissure 17 by the House. Been seeing steam and just saw some spatter and maybe some orange through that darn tree. Should be more evident as dusk falls.

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A chopper just flew near by. I do wish CNN would pull back on occasion with the camera view. It's nice at times but I'm also curious how large the cone looks now. I'm waiting for my husband to come home with some good Chicago style pizza and getting hungry waiting. Helps to check on things in the meantime so you guys got me until then :D.

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30 minutes ago, WestCoastGal said:

Live feed from Fissure 17 by the House. Been seeing steam and just saw some spatter and maybe some orange through that darn tree. Should be more evident as dusk falls.

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A chopper just flew near by. I do wish CNN would pull back on occasion with the camera view. It's nice at times but I'm also curious how large the cone looks now. I'm waiting for my husband to come home with some good Chicago style pizza and getting hungry waiting. Helps to check on things in the meantime so you guys got me until then :D.

Was thinking the same thing. Been monitoring the growth of cones.

It astounds me that there was this small pile near a fissure and in a very short time there arises this big new vertical piece of earth. :o

Chicago style pizza  - with SF twist, sour dough crust? ^_^

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Place called Patxi's. They have a southern Calif location in Santa Barbara. And no the guy who started it came from Chicago so knows how to do it!  I do miss Uno's, Lou Malnatis from Chicago and IMO this is the closest we have out here. It's ordered and on it's way soon. :drool: Darn things take so long to bake though.

At least this cone won't grow like Paricutin in Mexico. Started out as a small eruption in a cornfield and grew and grew. I was always amazed by the story of it.

 

Getting closer to dusk. Similar look to the fountaining as last night.

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And suddenly in the last few minutes almost looks like the wind kicked up a bit and the lava is shooting higher and quicker above the rim. Really looks like it's splashing around vigorously and from different sections of the cone sometimes shooting sideways from the right side. I have a feeling given the lava movement it must be pretty full right now. Might be an interesting night to tune in for a show. The night colors are really getting vivid too.

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Saturday Night Update - 5/26 @ 6 pm HST (9 pm PDT) from Big Island Video News (civil defense):

 

Neighborhood Watch (5/26) from Big Island Video News. Sounds like Ikaika's house is still there.

 

The Honolulu Star-Advertiser is reporting that county officials have now determined that 41 of 82 structures claimed by lava are homes.

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Totally non-volcano related but I know that Spam is a popular food item in Hawaii. And maybe with people evacuate they might be opening up even more cans of it. So in case you heard about the recall, it doesn't affect Spam sent to Hawaii

Residents can expect some changes to Volcano businesses due to depressed tourism to the village.

Parting nighttime shot from the camera feed from me as I wonder how things are going in Leilani Estates.

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My wife and I were able to make it into Leilani Estates tonight for the first time since the activity has started.  A friend of ours is a resident and offered to take us in today.  

Wow!!!  I really can't put into words the intensity that we got to see first hand.  

We came in from hwy 130 and turned onto Leilani Ave and took it to where it now ends with a wall of lava blocking the road, just past the Nohea St intersection.  We turned and parked on Nohea and then walked down to where Leilani Ave ends with a wall of solid lava. From that location is an amazing view of fissure 7.  I would guess that it was shooting magma into the air 150 - 200 feet.  The picture below just can't do it justice. 

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After spending quite a bit of time, watching this active fissure, the sun started going down and we started to see a lot of fountaining activity starting to happen south of where we were standing, up Nohea St.  Since we were parked up that way, we decided to go and check it out.  We walked past our truck and as we went further south in that direction on Nohea, we could really start to see the fountaining happen, and it was NOT far away at all!  We started noticing that the trees to the east of us were on fire.  I'd say maybe 100 feet away from us!  We then saw a small group of people frantically coming out of a yard and the fountain was almost directly behind the house!  

With adrenaline pumping I ran into the yard to get a closer look and took the below picture.  As you can see, there is a photographer there, much closer than I was!  

It was very hard to comprehend what I was experiencing!  The fountain spraying so close, the slow moving flow coming right at the house, and then if you look above the head of the photographer, you'll see an orange glow moving down from the fountain area.  This was a very fast moving lava river and I then started realizing that this is probably what was burning the trees that we saw on our walk up to this house.  It was flowing in the direction of where our truck was parked!!! 

We decided to quickly get out of there!  I am very sure that the house burned down within minutes of us leaving.  We couldn't afford to stay any longer.  

As we got back to the truck, police were all over the place, writing parking tickets for everyone parked in the area, like we were.  Not the best ending for the night, and I'll comment more on that in the next post, but such an overwhelming experience.  I've had the opportunity to hike to the lava flow when it was out past Kalapana when we first moved here months ago, but seeing the lava like I did tonight, at that intensity, was a once in a lifetime opportunity! 

The google lava activity / fissure map is not updated to show where we were and what we saw burning.  So I will be curious to see that tomorrow.  I'm not even sure what fissure it was that we were seeing the fountain out of.  The closest on the current map would be Fissure 8. 

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As I mentioned above, our epic evening ended with a parking ticket being written by what seemed like an overworked and tired police officer who was just "following orders".  I feel for these guys and for everyone in this area as this situation is clearly taking it's toll on everyone there.  

I had seen other videos of Leilani residents arguing with police officers who were trying to get the residents out from watching the lava.  

Since our friend was a resident, they checked his ID when we pulled into the neighborhood.  They then went on to ask us why we were there, how long we were staying and if we had any camera equipment with us.  They opened and searched the back of the truck to check.  We were then somewhat reluctantly waived in.  About an hour or so later is when we were leaving and spoke with the officer writing up the parking tickets.  The only people not getting tickets were the media that were there filming.  Kind of a strange situation as my friend who drove is a displaced resident of Leilani and here he is getting a ticket in his own neighborhoold, while the media is allowed to be in there and it's no problem?  A bit backwards, but I think the police and officials must be having a hard time adapting to this situation and figuring out how to handle it.  

I had heard that the police presence in the neighborhood has gone up a lot lately so this could be the one and only time that I will be able to get in there.  I really wish I could have spent some more time, but we figured one ticket was enough and it was time to leave.  And our adrenaline was still pumping from our very close encounter with Pele as described above! 

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17 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Very true. But it may also be a warning to gawking mainland tourists tempted to snatch a fresh lump of real estate right under Pele's nose. Do it and suffer the consequences. I took the polite way - Pele doesn't kid around.

me too!  :-)

 

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8 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

As I mentioned above, our epic evening ended with a parking ticket being written by what seemed like an overworked and tired police officer who was just "following orders".  I feel for these guys and for everyone in this area as this situation is clearly taking it's toll on everyone there.  

I had seen other videos of Leilani residents arguing with police officers who were trying to get the residents out from watching the lava.  

Since our friend was a resident, they checked his ID when we pulled into the neighborhood.  They then went on to ask us why we were there, how long we were staying and if we had any camera equipment with us.  They opened and searched the back of the truck to check.  We were then somewhat reluctantly waived in.  About an hour or so later is when we were leaving and spoke with the officer writing up the parking tickets.  The only people not getting tickets were the media that were there filming.  Kind of a strange situation as my friend who drove is a displaced resident of Leilani and here he is getting a ticket in his own neighborhoold, while the media is allowed to be in there and it's no problem?  A bit backwards, but I think the police and officials must be having a hard time adapting to this situation and figuring out how to handle it.  

I had heard that the police presence in the neighborhood has gone up a lot lately so this could be the one and only time that I will be able to get in there.  I really wish I could have spent some more time, but we figured one ticket was enough and it was time to leave.  And our adrenaline was still pumping from our very close encounter with Pele as described above! 

This pisses me off on so many levels. 

First and foremost, Leilani Estates has private roads.  Meaning we paid for them to be built and maintained.  So this is akin to getting a parking ticket in your own driveway.

Second, I'm not aware of any prohibitions against parking in Leilani Estates - nowhere in the subdivision are there any "no parking" signs.  I'm assuming that there may be some provision related to the current evacuation, but to my knowledge any such provision has not been articulated.

Third, if the checkpoints are doing their job, there shouldn't be anyone (or at least any vehicle) in Leilani Estates that isn't a resident.  And if that's the case, by definition the police should know that only residents that paid for the streets are the ones parking there.

Fourth, if what you stated about media access is correct, that's really screwed up, because I should have the ability to drive around the neighborhood and park and look at things and judge for myself what is going on and what is new.  The subdivision is quite large, and new fissures, cracks, etc. can spring up whenever, and it's been almost uniformly the local residents that have identified most of the new action, and these parking tickets dissuade people from doing this exact thing.

Now, one could argue that either 1) you can walk without prohibition and/or 2) just don't park the car (i.e., just drive by).  But for case number 1, that's impractical for many folks, and if something did pop up unexpectedly, I'd hate to have to literally outrun whatever is going on.  And for case number 2, there's not nearly as much you can make out from your from seat as when you can walk around, crouch, closely examine things, etc.

People are raising a ruckus about this on NextDoor, and hopefully this will be addressed in the appropriate manner in the near term.

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