Interesting new Chamaerops

[iwan]

I always keep an eye out for interesting Chamaerops.  I had the opportunity the other day to spend a couple hours searching through a few hundred and picked out a few that were interesting.

 

[iwan]

#2 Compact fronds and short petiole version.  The bigger fronds were from shade growth.  The smaller fronds are fully sun hardened.

 

[iwan]

#3 - Split and wavy fronds.  The hastula is very pronounced in this variety.  Unfortunately, the wave does not photograph well.

 

 

[Palmsbro]

30 minutes ago, iwan said:

#3 - Split and wavy fronds.  The hastula is very pronounced in this variety.  Unfortunately, the wave does not photograph well.

 

 

I can see the waves.

Cool palm.

[The Germinator]

I know what you mean. These have prove to be be quite variable in my little world. I was pumping gas on the strip one time in Vegas and noticed some with petite leaves and long petioles. I snatched up some seed and brought them back to Cali. I like the look on them now that they have grown a bit now, I sometimes find myself second guessing the species.

That one in your photo looks tight. I mean that literally; very compact and robust. The exact opposite of the ones I discovered in Vegas.

[Cikas]

Beautiful chamaerops forms! 

[iwan]

6 hours ago, The Germinator said:

I know what you mean. These have prove to be be quite variable in my little world. I was pumping gas on the strip one time in Vegas and noticed some with petite leaves and long petioles. I snatched up some seed and brought them back to Cali. I like the look on them now that they have grown a bit now, I sometimes find myself second guessing the species.

That one in your photo looks tight. I mean that literally; very compact and robust. The exact opposite of the ones I discovered in Vegas.

Yes, they are all fairly tight.  I will try and get a ruler on the smaller frond variety.  On most of these, you can see the larger and more stretched fronds and petioles from when they were shade grown.  I just wonder how they will mature.  Hopefully they will stay on the smaller side.

I saved the best examples for tonight (hopefully).

[Darold Petty]

Nice plants!  I have always thought that one could have an entire garden of different forms of Chamaerops.

  Here is one from the flower vendor stalls adjacent to the Cite metro station in Paris.

[Neil C]

Nice Chamaerops! Darold, there is some thought that Chamaerops "Compacta" are actually Chamaerops grown from Vulcano seed that don't quite make the grade to be sold as Vulcano. They sure are similar.

Regards Neil

[Darold Petty]

Yes, too bad that it was not possible to bring a few plants home !    29 euros is a good price, also.    

[iwan]

#4 Short petiole, prolific fronds.  This is my favorite of the C. humilis varieties acquired.

 

Up close and personal. 

 

Edited April 19, 2018 by iwan

[iwan]

I am going to start a new thread for the next two, because they are intentional hybrids of C. humilis var argentea with a male Volcano.

#5 

#6

[Jamesasb]

here is my wavy leaf chamaerops, i have drawn round1 leaf. when i planted this it had regular leaves

[Jamesasb]

maybe they can do wavy leaves when they get lots of water and food

 

actually the older leaves were a bit wavy too but not like this

Edited April 19, 2018 by Jamesasb

[tinman10101]

real nice iwan.

#4 is my favorite.  europeans have an upper hand on us in the states when it comes to chamaerops with good reason (origin)

i agree with darold ... the variability in this palm could fill a garden.  i always loved the volcano and have an overwhelming amount of 1 gallon seedlings after receiving hundreds of seeds from a very gracious fellow palm talker from portugal 4 years ago.  these grow extremely slow from seed and are still not exhibiting their specimen leaves yet  

thanks for sharing

cheers

tin

[tinman10101]

here are pics of one i have in the ground and 4 4-year old portugal seedlings in a one gallon pot.  

Edited April 19, 2018 by tinman10101

[PalmatierMeg]

I love this topic. I have a number of variable Chamaerops planted around the yard. Most come from Vulcano seeds sent to me years ago by a palm lover in Italy. They show a range of Vulcano traits. I also have one I grew from seeds of a variety called "red haired" and came from another European palm friend. It is extra slow growing and is palmate. I don't have a photo of the mother so don't know what a red-haired Chamaerops looks like.

[Pal Meir]

3 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

… I don't have a photo of the mother so don't know what a red-haired Chamaerops looks like.

Maybe like this? 

[PalmatierMeg]

1 hour ago, Pal Meir said:

Maybe like this? 

Hopefully yes, some day. Thanks so much for the photo

[Jamesasb]

Oh wow look at that nasty little squirrel attacking the innocent palmtree!!!

[PalmatierMeg]

Today I took photos of some of my variable Chamaerops. Most I grew from a batch of Vulcano seeds. Those seeds yielded a range of Vulcano traits from extreme to almost none, i.e., normal. I also have a variety called Red Hair that has not trunked, so hasn't shown that trait yet.

#1) My much prized Vulcano showing extreme traits.

2) Two more offspring from the Vulcano seeds. Palm on left is green and shows few Vulcano traits. Palm on right is bluer, has short petioles and smaller leaves.

Left

Right

3) This palm shows some Vulcano traits, I believe

4) This little palm has some Vulcano traits. It was flattened during Hurricane Irma so I staked it in hopes it will survive.

5) Chamaerops humilis Red Hair

6) I found this Chamaerops for $5 at a BB clearance. It is so far typical except hasn't shown signs of clustering yet. I hope it will be a rare solitary palm.

[sergiskan]

Interesting thread, beautiful Chamaerops!

[sergiskan]

On 19/4/2018 21:21:52, Pal Meir said:

Maybe like this? 

Great pic!

[Pal Meir]

14 hours ago, sergiskan said:

Great pic!

Two months earlier the same palm had only brown hair, but thanks to the squirrel  it became a red-hair variant: 

 

[Palmensammler]

Hi Pal,

like the squirrel. I have some in my area too and sometimes I'll see them close to the Trachies 

Eckhard

[Phoenikakias]

On 18/4/2018, 6:54:22, iwan said:

#2 Compact fronds and short petiole version.  The bigger fronds were from shade growth.  The smaller fronds are fully sun hardened.

 

I have a similar specimen, which is the result of an intentional crossing (by Trava) of  cerifera with a dwarf form (pollen donor).